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Ace
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On March 27 2010 00:13 citi.zen wrote: By the way, mafia KP is 1 in this game, right? On March 21 2010 10:41 Zona wrote: Mafia: Each night, your team MUST choose one person to kill. | ||
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citi.zen
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Anyway, to this: On March 27 2010 00:58 Ace wrote: at the end of the day, you voted for Vivi to die and you weren't here to "save" him. I stick by my decision that he should have been dead no matter what he claims because he's terrible regardless. We can talk about and I can show you multiple examples of why you don't trust Day 1 medic claims after this is over. Whether you trust the claim is not the point. Especially with this set-up: killing a suspected red on day one keeps KP unchanged; killing a medic, bad. The downside >> upside as far as I can tell. Anyway. Nobody else seems to care, so... it is what it is. | ||
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citi.zen
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Silence is good for mafia at this point. | ||
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Versatile
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what more is there to say? | ||
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citi.zen
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On March 27 2010 03:43 Versatile wrote: thoughts? i wasn't around when the roleclaim occurred, and he was already lynched when i got back. what more is there to say? Do you think it was the right decision? Would you have changed your vote had you been online? Why/why not? | ||
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Versatile
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honestly. even IF i were a fan of first day roleclaims, vivi didn't do it right. #1. if you're going to roleclaim, do it in a timely fashion. let's say he roleclaimed earlier, given us maybe 24hrs to validate his claim. first off, that gives us a chance to see if anyone else counterclaims. if there isn't a counterclaim, that works in the claimer's favor and maybe some votes would get moved around. if there IS a counterclaim, well, good job, now we've got 1 confirmed mafia. but this is really risky and i doubt mafia would go for this strategy. #2. why the HELL would a medic claim? the medic cannot protect them self....so. give yourself away to mafia, why don't you? so, back to square one, first day claiming sucks. | ||
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citi.zen
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Rather, given vivi did claim (instead of defending himself) - what should a good pro-town player have done? Vote them off or not? Is getting rid of a weak player worth wasting a lynching and losing a medic? + Show Spoiler + As a side note, Vivi didn't intend to claim as a deliberate strategy, he only did it when it became pretty clear he was getting lynched anyway. This addresses both #1 and #2 in your post. Of course, I still think he should have argued his way out of it rather than flap his hands and say byebye - I told you so at the last moment. | ||
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Versatile
United States396 Posts
did you not read my post? i wasn't commenting on whether or not he's a good player. those were my thoughts on the strategy. the way it was done, in this game, he should have still been lynched. period. | ||
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citi.zen
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Versatile
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citi.zen
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+ Show Spoiler + On March 26 2010 13:46 citi.zen wrote: Next day there still isn't any good reason for the town to lynch him, unless the mafia happened to kill a medic during the night making it plainly obvious he was lying. Otherwise the same logic applies: let the mafia waste the KP and/or wait for a DT check or a competing medic claim/death to clarify things/provide more information. If a red role-claims they are taking a major risk: the "real" blue is out there looking to nail them. This is a better position for town than what we have now. If the "real" medic somehow dies the town automatically knows the initial role-claim was false and bam, we have a red. The bottom line is that there is no reason for the town to risk killing a blue. Even if the mafia lets them live to spread confusion, or even if the claim was false and he was red, the town has more information. Again, I feel like you know all this and we're just going through the motions here. On March 26 2010 22:56 citi.zen wrote: It seems wrong to assume an untrustworthy medic is useless. As long as they are alive, the medic can still protect people each night. Worst case scenario: they protect scum, and people still get killed, no worse than having no medic. However, there is a chance they will protect someone the mafia would hit, particularly in such a small game where it’s not THAT hard to keep track of who is doing what. There are no PMs in this game, everyone plays in the open & the medic decides what to do/who to protect. It thus makes very little difference if the town thinks the medic is "legit". If a red lied and the “real” medic is still alive there are plenty of scenarios where it makes sense for them to RC. For example… if there is only one red left in the game - the fake claimer. Once the medic is about to be lynched anyway they might as well try to take a bullet - it's better than dying for no reason what-so-ever. Play to win, not to get even, right? I never said the DT should RC immediately. There are scenarios down the road when, if the DT is still alive and the guy who claims medic is acting really shifty or there is a limited set of suspects it might make sense to RC them. If a shifty medic lives a few more nights he gets to protect people + we don't waste a lynching. As I explained before, if anyone role-claims blue I would assume they are indeed blue, or red, but at any rate not green. At this point you've sort of made too many confusing arguments for my taste, so I would be leaning towards red. The one thing making me hesitant is this: Of course, if what's going on here is a pre-existing grudge it would mean you aren't doing the town (or yourself) any favors. | ||
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nemY
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On March 27 2010 01:55 citi.zen wrote: Fishball, johnnyspazz, nemY, Versatile - your thoughts on the blue claim and subsequent lynching would be greatly appreciated. Haster - a clearer answer from you would be nice as well. Silence is good for mafia at this point. I didn't vote for Vivi so I don't have much to say on it. It came too late to change the outcome of anything and assuming he had claimed earlier, who would we have lynched instead? I hate RCers anyways (although we have played in games where it's worked). That being said being a medic down suuuuuuuucccccks for the DT. Told ya we should have lynched Abension (now RoL). | ||
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Versatile
United States396 Posts
aren't you the person who was online and could have saved him? | ||
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citi.zen
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On March 27 2010 10:07 Versatile wrote: yeah, yo. i voted for you citizen. what the are you questioning us for again? aren't you the person who was online and could have saved him? I won't make another comment on your reading skills so others don't say I am being unnecessarily harsh, but here: On March 26 2010 11:50 citi.zen wrote: As far as I go, he claimed medic at the wrong time: I left work, came home and spent time with the family, until the kid went to sleep.When I did see his post and had time to digest it I decided it made sense to switch. Unfortunately it was too late. I don't get how other people who were active in this and/or the other mafia game during this time did not reach the same conclusion. It's pretty rare to lynch someone who claims blue, in any mafia game, no? Ace, haster27, Fishball, Abenson, johnnyspazz (other thread) were all active after Vivi's claim but missed that. | ||
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Versatile
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citi.zen
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On March 27 2010 10:17 Versatile wrote: didn't see that. i skip over most of your posts. i've decided they're useless. : ) Might as well stop pretending to reply to them then, no? Much appreciated. | ||
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