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Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
March 26 2010 01:14 GMT
#781
On March 26 2010 10:12 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2010 10:06 tree.hugger wrote:
On March 26 2010 10:02 L wrote:
On March 26 2010 09:52 tree.hugger wrote:
On March 26 2010 09:48 L wrote:
On March 26 2010 09:43 tree.hugger wrote:
On March 26 2010 09:15 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Who anti-nuked for Caller? That person should step forward, and RoL should definitely eat Caller's brains....Mafia saving caller? Not in my mafia world?!?!


And immediately get killed by the mafia? Yeah right.

Japan is a country that should certainly have more tricks up their sleeve, having this person out themselves will not happen if they're mafia, and should not happen if they're town aligned and want to stay living.


Why would he get killed by mafia? Anti-nukes are on the same numbered reserve that nukes are on; Given that RoL admitted to having a single nuke, its very probably that anti-nuking countries have a single anti-nuke as well.

There's a pretty obvious reason why we'd want the anti-nuker to come forward, but lets see how people react to this first.

What is the obvious reason?

So we can lynch them? So we can not lynch them? What is gained by knowing who did this?

Your assumption about Japan only having one anti-nuke cannot be proven, and in fact, the fact that the anti-nuke was used so early perhaps suggests that this player has other options at their disposal.
Because if mafia have anti-nukes, we'd kinda want to know the identity of the anti-nuker if RoL kills caller and he flips red.

Then the guy needs to justify his actions.
Derp.

So you're arguing that if the anti-nuker is mafia, then it would be in the best interests of the town for them to claim firing the anti-nuke?

Well yeah, okay, sure, good luck with that.

No, I'm not. If the anti-nuker is town, he will probably step forward unless he has another ability, which is unlikely. If he's mafia and doesn't step forward, then RoL should nail Caller 100% and we can be happy that mafia just wasted an anti-nuke.

Are you still operating under the assumption the anti-nuker only has spent his or her only anti-nuke and is now vanilla? Because I don't think it's a good assumption, and if this player is town and still has at least one anti-nuke, I would not want this player to step forward and become a mafia target at night.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
johnnyspazz
Profile Joined April 2009
Taiwan1470 Posts
March 26 2010 01:14 GMT
#782
Seriously. You're probably going to die tomorrow. Let's face that. Nikon maybe too, but I'm still supporting Nemy or Jspazz, or someone that provides nothing. Abenson built a decent case against Jspazz, but it was brushed off by a "I couldn't make up my mind" when it was more "I was riding every bandwagon to pop up"

jesus christ opz, you are pissing me off so much with your retarded non-sense. if agreeing with someone and voting with them is just riding a bandwagon, then youre also guilty of riding bandwagons.
"The big difference between sex for money and sex for free is that sex for money usually costs a lot less." -Brendan Behan
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
March 26 2010 01:16 GMT
#783
On March 26 2010 10:12 tree.hugger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2010 10:04 L wrote:
Also, who said I'm talking about Japan?

I haven't said Japan once, nor is there any information in the thread indicating otherwise.

Tree.hugger, either you're a mason, mafia, or you're the guy that shot down the nuke, ostensibly to stop us from being able to talk about killing you. Seeing as the masons probably would have made a comment, that leaves you in an odd situation.

You're talking about Japan because Japan fired the anti-nuke. What are you talking about?

Just saying something like "you're either a mason, mafia, or Japan" doesn't make it true. In fact, the sole reason you went after me is because I went after you. Fair enough. But pretending like you have some evidence to support that, when clearly none exists is simply rhetoric.

You're entire argument for the anti-nuker (Japan, in case you're not following along) could only benefit a mafia perspective.

Who are you, L?

Err, no. I didn't talk about Japan at all until you brought up the nation. Nor did I say that he had to be anti-mafia. I said the person should come forward because he COULD be mafia. Why would you think Japan has a certain set of abilities unless you know someone who has japan? If you're a normal townie, there are no PMs: You couldn't know unless you were Japan yourself. If you were a mason, one of your mason buddies could be japan and you'd know. If you were mafia, one of your mafia buddies could know.

The only way you could know about Japan's abilities is one of the aforementioned options:

1) you're japan
2) you're mafia
3) you're mason

Masons haven't talked about you, so 3) is out of the picture. You just denied 1). That leaves 2).

Well played. Kill this kid tomorrow.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
March 26 2010 01:18 GMT
#784
On March 26 2010 10:14 Zona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2010 10:12 L wrote:
On March 26 2010 10:06 tree.hugger wrote:
On March 26 2010 10:02 L wrote:
On March 26 2010 09:52 tree.hugger wrote:
On March 26 2010 09:48 L wrote:
On March 26 2010 09:43 tree.hugger wrote:
On March 26 2010 09:15 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Who anti-nuked for Caller? That person should step forward, and RoL should definitely eat Caller's brains....Mafia saving caller? Not in my mafia world?!?!


And immediately get killed by the mafia? Yeah right.

Japan is a country that should certainly have more tricks up their sleeve, having this person out themselves will not happen if they're mafia, and should not happen if they're town aligned and want to stay living.


Why would he get killed by mafia? Anti-nukes are on the same numbered reserve that nukes are on; Given that RoL admitted to having a single nuke, its very probably that anti-nuking countries have a single anti-nuke as well.

There's a pretty obvious reason why we'd want the anti-nuker to come forward, but lets see how people react to this first.

What is the obvious reason?

So we can lynch them? So we can not lynch them? What is gained by knowing who did this?

Your assumption about Japan only having one anti-nuke cannot be proven, and in fact, the fact that the anti-nuke was used so early perhaps suggests that this player has other options at their disposal.
Because if mafia have anti-nukes, we'd kinda want to know the identity of the anti-nuker if RoL kills caller and he flips red.

Then the guy needs to justify his actions.
Derp.

So you're arguing that if the anti-nuker is mafia, then it would be in the best interests of the town for them to claim firing the anti-nuke?

Well yeah, okay, sure, good luck with that.

No, I'm not. If the anti-nuker is town, he will probably step forward unless he has another ability, which is unlikely. If he's mafia and doesn't step forward, then RoL should nail Caller 100% and we can be happy that mafia just wasted an anti-nuke.

Are you still operating under the assumption the anti-nuker only has spent his or her only anti-nuke and is now vanilla? Because I don't think it's a good assumption, and if this player is town and still has at least one anti-nuke, I would not want this player to step forward and become a mafia target at night.

I think its an awesome assumption. Even if the guy has a single extra anti-nuke, it would be far better for him to reveal himself so that RoL has information regarding his retaliatory strike. Granted its probably you or Caller, you're probably against someone coming out because he might end up offing you.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
March 26 2010 01:18 GMT
#785
Fucking blizzard nerfed toss again. What the fuck.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
March 26 2010 01:21 GMT
#786
Who saved Caller? Wanted that nuke to land
Adonai bless
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
March 26 2010 01:21 GMT
#787
On March 26 2010 10:13 Nikon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2010 10:12 L wrote:
On March 26 2010 10:06 tree.hugger wrote:
On March 26 2010 10:02 L wrote:
On March 26 2010 09:52 tree.hugger wrote:
On March 26 2010 09:48 L wrote:
On March 26 2010 09:43 tree.hugger wrote:
On March 26 2010 09:15 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Who anti-nuked for Caller? That person should step forward, and RoL should definitely eat Caller's brains....Mafia saving caller? Not in my mafia world?!?!


And immediately get killed by the mafia? Yeah right.

Japan is a country that should certainly have more tricks up their sleeve, having this person out themselves will not happen if they're mafia, and should not happen if they're town aligned and want to stay living.


Why would he get killed by mafia? Anti-nukes are on the same numbered reserve that nukes are on; Given that RoL admitted to having a single nuke, its very probably that anti-nuking countries have a single anti-nuke as well.

There's a pretty obvious reason why we'd want the anti-nuker to come forward, but lets see how people react to this first.

What is the obvious reason?

So we can lynch them? So we can not lynch them? What is gained by knowing who did this?

Your assumption about Japan only having one anti-nuke cannot be proven, and in fact, the fact that the anti-nuke was used so early perhaps suggests that this player has other options at their disposal.
Because if mafia have anti-nukes, we'd kinda want to know the identity of the anti-nuker if RoL kills caller and he flips red.

Then the guy needs to justify his actions.
Derp.

So you're arguing that if the anti-nuker is mafia, then it would be in the best interests of the town for them to claim firing the anti-nuke?

Well yeah, okay, sure, good luck with that.

No, I'm not. If the anti-nuker is town, he will probably step forward unless he has another ability, which is unlikely. If he's mafia and doesn't step forward, then RoL should nail Caller 100% and we can be happy that mafia just wasted an anti-nuke.


Yeah, but what happens if the anti-nuker is town, steps forward, and RoL nails caller, who in turn flips red?

The guy explains himself and his reasoning and we decide what to do like we do with all people that we look at. Whoa.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 26 2010 01:22 GMT
#788
On March 26 2010 10:12 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2010 10:06 tree.hugger wrote:
On March 26 2010 10:02 L wrote:
On March 26 2010 09:52 tree.hugger wrote:
On March 26 2010 09:48 L wrote:
On March 26 2010 09:43 tree.hugger wrote:
On March 26 2010 09:15 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Who anti-nuked for Caller? That person should step forward, and RoL should definitely eat Caller's brains....Mafia saving caller? Not in my mafia world?!?!


And immediately get killed by the mafia? Yeah right.

Japan is a country that should certainly have more tricks up their sleeve, having this person out themselves will not happen if they're mafia, and should not happen if they're town aligned and want to stay living.


Why would he get killed by mafia? Anti-nukes are on the same numbered reserve that nukes are on; Given that RoL admitted to having a single nuke, its very probably that anti-nuking countries have a single anti-nuke as well.

There's a pretty obvious reason why we'd want the anti-nuker to come forward, but lets see how people react to this first.

What is the obvious reason?

So we can lynch them? So we can not lynch them? What is gained by knowing who did this?

Your assumption about Japan only having one anti-nuke cannot be proven, and in fact, the fact that the anti-nuke was used so early perhaps suggests that this player has other options at their disposal.
Because if mafia have anti-nukes, we'd kinda want to know the identity of the anti-nuker if RoL kills caller and he flips red.

Then the guy needs to justify his actions.
Derp.

So you're arguing that if the anti-nuker is mafia, then it would be in the best interests of the town for them to claim firing the anti-nuke?

Well yeah, okay, sure, good luck with that.

No, I'm not. If the anti-nuker is town, he will probably step forward unless he has another ability, which is unlikely. If he's mafia and doesn't step forward, then RoL should nail Caller 100% and we can be happy that mafia just wasted an anti-nuke.


If you are town anti-nuker, and that was all you had, or even if you have a nuke in reserve, please come forward. You are by no means that suspect. This does not guarantee your death by no means.
<--Confirmed town with Abenson...Thats two names chalked off the board of potential mafia. Of course thats annoying. And who's to say our only abilities are just talking at night? You've already seen a role that hasn't been used often (possibly ever on TL) when RoL died. Ace is going kind of all out.
Then theres L, he's usually a big target, look how he almost got bussed and say he isn't a target for the mafia.
Zona too.
Caller too if he isn't mafia.
So given all this, should someone who merely anti-nuked really be afraid of being killed by the mafia? That is retarded to say the least.

Oh, and Elem too. Plenty other targets.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
johnnyspazz
Profile Joined April 2009
Taiwan1470 Posts
March 26 2010 01:22 GMT
#789
wrong thread
"The big difference between sex for money and sex for free is that sex for money usually costs a lot less." -Brendan Behan
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
March 26 2010 01:22 GMT
#790
Bill Murray is the third mason. Am I right Y/N.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
March 26 2010 01:23 GMT
#791
On March 26 2010 10:16 L wrote:
Err, no. I didn't talk about Japan at all until you brought up the nation. Nor did I say that he had to be anti-mafia. I said the person should come forward because he COULD be mafia. Why would you think Japan has a certain set of abilities unless you know someone who has japan?

Um...did you read this?
On March 26 2010 09:06 Ace wrote:
General! The nuke from Rebirthoflegend heading towards Caller has been shot down! We do not know who did it, but we know that the shot came from Japan!

"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 26 2010 01:25 GMT
#792
On March 26 2010 10:13 Nikon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2010 10:12 L wrote:
On March 26 2010 10:06 tree.hugger wrote:
On March 26 2010 10:02 L wrote:
On March 26 2010 09:52 tree.hugger wrote:
On March 26 2010 09:48 L wrote:
On March 26 2010 09:43 tree.hugger wrote:
On March 26 2010 09:15 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Who anti-nuked for Caller? That person should step forward, and RoL should definitely eat Caller's brains....Mafia saving caller? Not in my mafia world?!?!


And immediately get killed by the mafia? Yeah right.

Japan is a country that should certainly have more tricks up their sleeve, having this person out themselves will not happen if they're mafia, and should not happen if they're town aligned and want to stay living.


Why would he get killed by mafia? Anti-nukes are on the same numbered reserve that nukes are on; Given that RoL admitted to having a single nuke, its very probably that anti-nuking countries have a single anti-nuke as well.

There's a pretty obvious reason why we'd want the anti-nuker to come forward, but lets see how people react to this first.

What is the obvious reason?

So we can lynch them? So we can not lynch them? What is gained by knowing who did this?

Your assumption about Japan only having one anti-nuke cannot be proven, and in fact, the fact that the anti-nuke was used so early perhaps suggests that this player has other options at their disposal.
Because if mafia have anti-nukes, we'd kinda want to know the identity of the anti-nuker if RoL kills caller and he flips red.

Then the guy needs to justify his actions.
Derp.

So you're arguing that if the anti-nuker is mafia, then it would be in the best interests of the town for them to claim firing the anti-nuke?

Well yeah, okay, sure, good luck with that.

No, I'm not. If the anti-nuker is town, he will probably step forward unless he has another ability, which is unlikely. If he's mafia and doesn't step forward, then RoL should nail Caller 100% and we can be happy that mafia just wasted an anti-nuke.


Yeah, but what happens if the anti-nuker is town, steps forward, and RoL nails caller, who in turn flips red?

Make a case arguing with how zona and bm said use them at your own discretion
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
March 26 2010 01:26 GMT
#793
On March 26 2010 10:23 Zona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2010 10:16 L wrote:
Err, no. I didn't talk about Japan at all until you brought up the nation. Nor did I say that he had to be anti-mafia. I said the person should come forward because he COULD be mafia. Why would you think Japan has a certain set of abilities unless you know someone who has japan?

Um...did you read this?
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2010 09:06 Ace wrote:
General! The nuke from Rebirthoflegend heading towards Caller has been shot down! We do not know who did it, but we know that the shot came from Japan!


In my blind rage against Ace not letting me shoot dud missiles at myself I did not.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 26 2010 01:29 GMT
#794
On March 26 2010 10:14 johnnyspazz wrote:
Show nested quote +
Seriously. You're probably going to die tomorrow. Let's face that. Nikon maybe too, but I'm still supporting Nemy or Jspazz, or someone that provides nothing. Abenson built a decent case against Jspazz, but it was brushed off by a "I couldn't make up my mind" when it was more "I was riding every bandwagon to pop up"

jesus christ opz, you are pissing me off so much with your retarded non-sense. if agreeing with someone and voting with them is just riding a bandwagon, then youre also guilty of riding bandwagons.

I voted for L to save abenson, I voted for RoL to save abenson, I voted for Nemy as an opening vote, Do you really want to say I've rode bandwagons? Phrubjaz was because Zona brought up one good point.

I build a case against Nemy, Zona was trying to force talking, L was ahead of Abenson, and RoL got the people from L onto him somehow.

Yep....I was forced into some wagons, but I argued against lynching RoL, and L...I made cases, what did you do?
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 26 2010 01:29 GMT
#795
On March 26 2010 10:14 Zona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2010 10:12 L wrote:
On March 26 2010 10:06 tree.hugger wrote:
On March 26 2010 10:02 L wrote:
On March 26 2010 09:52 tree.hugger wrote:
On March 26 2010 09:48 L wrote:
On March 26 2010 09:43 tree.hugger wrote:
On March 26 2010 09:15 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Who anti-nuked for Caller? That person should step forward, and RoL should definitely eat Caller's brains....Mafia saving caller? Not in my mafia world?!?!


And immediately get killed by the mafia? Yeah right.

Japan is a country that should certainly have more tricks up their sleeve, having this person out themselves will not happen if they're mafia, and should not happen if they're town aligned and want to stay living.


Why would he get killed by mafia? Anti-nukes are on the same numbered reserve that nukes are on; Given that RoL admitted to having a single nuke, its very probably that anti-nuking countries have a single anti-nuke as well.

There's a pretty obvious reason why we'd want the anti-nuker to come forward, but lets see how people react to this first.

What is the obvious reason?

So we can lynch them? So we can not lynch them? What is gained by knowing who did this?

Your assumption about Japan only having one anti-nuke cannot be proven, and in fact, the fact that the anti-nuke was used so early perhaps suggests that this player has other options at their disposal.
Because if mafia have anti-nukes, we'd kinda want to know the identity of the anti-nuker if RoL kills caller and he flips red.

Then the guy needs to justify his actions.
Derp.

So you're arguing that if the anti-nuker is mafia, then it would be in the best interests of the town for them to claim firing the anti-nuke?

Well yeah, okay, sure, good luck with that.

No, I'm not. If the anti-nuker is town, he will probably step forward unless he has another ability, which is unlikely. If he's mafia and doesn't step forward, then RoL should nail Caller 100% and we can be happy that mafia just wasted an anti-nuke.

Are you still operating under the assumption the anti-nuker only has spent his or her only anti-nuke and is now vanilla? Because I don't think it's a good assumption, and if this player is town and still has at least one anti-nuke, I would not want this player to step forward and become a mafia target at night.


Should that matter? mafia has better targets. Plenty of them.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
March 26 2010 01:32 GMT
#796
On March 26 2010 10:18 L wrote:
Even if the guy has a single extra anti-nuke, it would be far better for him to reveal himself so that RoL has information regarding his retaliatory strike. Granted its probably you or Caller, you're probably against someone coming out because he might end up offing you.

I disagree here, and very much so.

First of all, your assumption that this anti-nuker has no further anti-nukes is based on thin air. But beyond that, my biggest objection to your reasoning is that each extra anti-nuke in late game can potentially stop a full mafia kill.

As an illustration, here's an extremely contrived example. Let's say we've come to a situation where there's 5 town members and 3 mafia left, and the mafia have 2 nukes. The mafia obviously know who the town members are, and they could launch their 2 nukes, kill two town members, and grab their win, as they now have equal numbers as the town members and can prevent lynches. Each anti-nuke the town has can prevent a whole kill from the mafia in this kind of late game situation.

On the other hand, you are suggesting that we ask this person, who might have 1 or more anti-nukes remaining, to step forward and identify themselves, and risk being nightkilled by the mafia, in return for a small amount of information which doesn't even guarantee the alignment of any other player.

I want to emphasize something. In many mafia games the mafia only wins when their number is equal or more than the town. But in this game, if the mafia have more nukes remaining than the town has anti-nukes, for each nuke they have extra, they can have one fewer member than the town and still win. Of course the mafia isn't sure about how many anti-nukes the town has remaining, but that doesn't mean we should risk our anti-nukers needlessly.

To reiterate: The power of a mafia nuke is not the same as the power of a town nuke, when anti-nukes are gone. The mafia nuke is guaranteed to reduce the number of town members. The town nuke may or may not reduce the number of mafia members.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
March 26 2010 01:38 GMT
#797
To summarize: Town anti-nukes are far more important than some of you are given them credit for.

If there were no town anti-nukes, each mafia nuke is essential a guaranteed additional kill, made in public. The disincentive for the mafia to use these nukes early games is because they might out themselves and be killed in return. In the late game, if there are only a few more town members than mafia and inadequate amount of anti-nukes remaining, they can simply use their nukes as kills and win, as by that point in time outing themselves is not a problem, as the town no longer has enough "extra" members to absorb the kills and still be able to take revenge to win.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
March 26 2010 01:42 GMT
#798
On March 26 2010 10:32 Zona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2010 10:18 L wrote:
Even if the guy has a single extra anti-nuke, it would be far better for him to reveal himself so that RoL has information regarding his retaliatory strike. Granted its probably you or Caller, you're probably against someone coming out because he might end up offing you.

I disagree here, and very much so.

First of all, your assumption that this anti-nuker has no further anti-nukes is based on thin air. But beyond that, my biggest objection to your reasoning is that each extra anti-nuke in late game can potentially stop a full mafia kill.

As an illustration, here's an extremely contrived example. Let's say we've come to a situation where there's 5 town members and 3 mafia left, and the mafia have 2 nukes. The mafia obviously know who the town members are, and they could launch their 2 nukes, kill two town members, and grab their win, as they now have equal numbers as the town members and can prevent lynches. Each anti-nuke the town has can prevent a whole kill from the mafia in this kind of late game situation.

On the other hand, you are suggesting that we ask this person, who might have 1 or more anti-nukes remaining, to step forward and identify themselves, and risk being nightkilled by the mafia, in return for a small amount of information which doesn't even guarantee the alignment of any other player.

I want to emphasize something. In many mafia games the mafia only wins when their number is equal or more than the town. But in this game, if the mafia have more nukes remaining than the town has anti-nukes, for each nuke they have extra, they can have one fewer member than the town and still win. Of course the mafia isn't sure about how many anti-nukes the town has remaining, but that doesn't mean we should risk our anti-nukers needlessly.

To reiterate: The power of a mafia nuke is not the same as the power of a town nuke, when anti-nukes are gone. The mafia nuke is guaranteed to reduce the number of town members. The town nuke may or may not reduce the number of mafia members.

Uh, your end scenario there assumes both that the mafia don't have the fear of anti-nukes AND have the ability to stop retaliatory nukes and that there isn't a nuclear winter ending. I was thinking of that scenario far earlier when we were talking about RoL, and it just doesn't pan out to a victory for either side. Moreover, you forget the "worse" than anti-nuke potential that Ace listed in the starting post. What could it be? If mafia throws a nuke and that "stronger than anti-nuke" ability triggers, what then?

Yeah, we are asking someone to step forward, because someone just stopped a town controlled hit onto a player that IS pretty fucking suspicious. Why is this news?

I don't even make the assumption that the guy doesn't have any anti-nukes left. i say its probable, but even if he has one left, its still better for him to come out prior to RoL throwing a hit so that we can think about where RoL should direct his shot.
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johnnyspazz
Profile Joined April 2009
Taiwan1470 Posts
March 26 2010 01:43 GMT
#799
i voted for L because he was banned
i voted for nemy to save L
i voted for abenson to pressure him to post
i voted for RoL for nuking
i pointed out a lot of inaccurate details in your posting
i guess i'm getting outed by you and abenson because i thought you two were failing as masons. isn't it possible you two are both mafia and trying to play it off as masons? townies arent the only people to breadcrumb names, mafia can do it too.
i called out xelin for abstaining
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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
March 26 2010 01:48 GMT
#800
On March 26 2010 10:13 ~OpZ~ wrote:
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On March 26 2010 10:06 tree.hugger wrote:
On March 26 2010 10:02 L wrote:
On March 26 2010 09:52 tree.hugger wrote:
On March 26 2010 09:48 L wrote:
On March 26 2010 09:43 tree.hugger wrote:
On March 26 2010 09:15 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Who anti-nuked for Caller? That person should step forward, and RoL should definitely eat Caller's brains....Mafia saving caller? Not in my mafia world?!?!


And immediately get killed by the mafia? Yeah right.

Japan is a country that should certainly have more tricks up their sleeve, having this person out themselves will not happen if they're mafia, and should not happen if they're town aligned and want to stay living.


Why would he get killed by mafia? Anti-nukes are on the same numbered reserve that nukes are on; Given that RoL admitted to having a single nuke, its very probably that anti-nuking countries have a single anti-nuke as well.

There's a pretty obvious reason why we'd want the anti-nuker to come forward, but lets see how people react to this first.

What is the obvious reason?

So we can lynch them? So we can not lynch them? What is gained by knowing who did this?

Your assumption about Japan only having one anti-nuke cannot be proven, and in fact, the fact that the anti-nuke was used so early perhaps suggests that this player has other options at their disposal.
Because if mafia have anti-nukes, we'd kinda want to know the identity of the anti-nuker if RoL kills caller and he flips red.

Then the guy needs to justify his actions.
Derp.

So you're arguing that if the anti-nuker is mafia, then it would be in the best interests of the town for them to claim firing the anti-nuke?

Well yeah, okay, sure, good luck with that.

True...

So we should assume you've launched the anti-nuke. Where is my request for suspects that don't include L?

I didn't launch the anti-nuke. I would not have launched the anti-nuke.

And the list of suspects I owe you somehow, does not take precedent over Butler beating Syracuse.

On March 26 2010 10:16 L wrote:
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On March 26 2010 10:12 tree.hugger wrote:
On March 26 2010 10:04 L wrote:
Also, who said I'm talking about Japan?

I haven't said Japan once, nor is there any information in the thread indicating otherwise.

Tree.hugger, either you're a mason, mafia, or you're the guy that shot down the nuke, ostensibly to stop us from being able to talk about killing you. Seeing as the masons probably would have made a comment, that leaves you in an odd situation.

You're talking about Japan because Japan fired the anti-nuke. What are you talking about?

Just saying something like "you're either a mason, mafia, or Japan" doesn't make it true. In fact, the sole reason you went after me is because I went after you. Fair enough. But pretending like you have some evidence to support that, when clearly none exists is simply rhetoric.

You're entire argument for the anti-nuker (Japan, in case you're not following along) could only benefit a mafia perspective.

Who are you, L?

Err, no. I didn't talk about Japan at all until you brought up the nation. Nor did I say that he had to be anti-mafia. I said the person should come forward because he COULD be mafia. Why would you think Japan has a certain set of abilities unless you know someone who has japan? If you're a normal townie, there are no PMs: You couldn't know unless you were Japan yourself. If you were a mason, one of your mason buddies could be japan and you'd know. If you were mafia, one of your mafia buddies could know.

The only way you could know about Japan's abilities is one of the aforementioned options:

1) you're japan
2) you're mafia
3) you're mason

Masons haven't talked about you, so 3) is out of the picture. You just denied 1). That leaves 2).

Well played. Kill this kid tomorrow.

Stupid logic through and through. Think I'd really be that obvious, as to make Japan's argument in third person? Seriously.

I have common sense. You're the one making assumptions about what Japan has. You're saying you're convinced somehow that Japan has only one anti-nuke. Possible, but by no means certain. Nonetheless, you would lead a witch hunt to find who fired the anti-nuke.

I pointed out that there may be very good reasons for the person who fired the anti-nuke to remain under cover, whether they be town aligned or mafia aligned. Therefore, your call for the anti-nuke person to reveal themselves is redundant, ill-conceived, and spam.

It's really time that you consider what you're writing before you write it, this 'accuse blindly, and then never back down' strategy is counter-productive to the town.

Seriously.... kid.
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