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d3_crescentia
United States4054 Posts
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haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
On March 26 2010 09:39 d3_crescentia wrote: Wait, what is a vengeful townie? I think if he is killed, he is allowed to kill one person of his choice. REVENGE!! | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On March 26 2010 09:15 ~OpZ~ wrote: Who anti-nuked for Caller? That person should step forward, and RoL should definitely eat Caller's brains....Mafia saving caller? Not in my mafia world?!?! And immediately get killed by the mafia? Yeah right. Japan is a country that should certainly have more tricks up their sleeve, having this person out themselves will not happen if they're mafia, and should not happen if they're town aligned and want to stay living. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On March 26 2010 09:43 tree.hugger wrote: And immediately get killed by the mafia? Yeah right. Japan is a country that should certainly have more tricks up their sleeve, having this person out themselves will not happen if they're mafia, and should not happen if they're town aligned and want to stay living. Why would he get killed by mafia? Anti-nukes are on the same numbered reserve that nukes are on; Given that RoL admitted to having a single nuke, its very probably that anti-nuking countries have a single anti-nuke as well. There's a pretty obvious reason why we'd want the anti-nuker to come forward, but lets see how people react to this first. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
Keep in mind Mafia can have anti-missile powers too. | ||
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On March 26 2010 09:48 L wrote: Why would he get killed by mafia? Anti-nukes are on the same numbered reserve that nukes are on; Given that RoL admitted to having a single nuke, its very probably that anti-nuking countries have a single anti-nuke as well. There's a pretty obvious reason why we'd want the anti-nuker to come forward, but lets see how people react to this first. What is the obvious reason? So we can lynch them? So we can not lynch them? What is gained by knowing who did this? Your assumption about Japan only having one anti-nuke cannot be proven, and in fact, the fact that the anti-nuke was used so early perhaps suggests that this player has other options at their disposal. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On March 26 2010 09:49 Fishball wrote: This scenario just seems kinda off to me. Keep in mind Mafia can have anti-missile powers too. That's why I said he should come forward. And that thing about Japan? Uh no? Trust me, the countries that have shit, don't make sense. Watch L be USSR. And have no nukes. | ||
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
On March 26 2010 09:48 L wrote: Why would he get killed by mafia? Anti-nukes are on the same numbered reserve that nukes are on; Given that RoL admitted to having a single nuke, its very probably that anti-nuking countries have a single anti-nuke as well. There's a pretty obvious reason why we'd want the anti-nuker to come forward, but lets see how people react to this first. We don't know what RoL is going to do with kill, and depending on the target and what role he flips, the anti-nuker may never come forward. He probably won't do it regardless, even if the whole town wants him to, due to concerns for his life. Anyway, it would be very interesting to see if RoL kills Caller, and what he flips, but until then we don't have much to go on, as far as countries are considered, so we can't even pinpoint if the anti-nuker was mafia, based on a country pattern until more people die. Mexico is pro-town. Japan is ??? | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On March 26 2010 09:52 tree.hugger wrote: Because if mafia have anti-nukes, we'd kinda want to know the identity of the anti-nuker if RoL kills caller and he flips red. What is the obvious reason? So we can lynch them? So we can not lynch them? What is gained by knowing who did this? Your assumption about Japan only having one anti-nuke cannot be proven, and in fact, the fact that the anti-nuke was used so early perhaps suggests that this player has other options at their disposal. Then the guy needs to justify his actions. Derp. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On March 26 2010 09:52 tree.hugger wrote: What is the obvious reason? So we can lynch them? So we can not lynch them? What is gained by knowing who did this? Your assumption about Japan only having one anti-nuke cannot be proven, and in fact, the fact that the anti-nuke was used so early perhaps suggests that this player has other options at their disposal. Who cares? Nukes/Anti-nukes are not all that important. What is important are actual roles/lynches/night kills. Seriously. You're probably going to die tomorrow. Let's face that. Nikon maybe too, but I'm still supporting Nemy or Jspazz, or someone that provides nothing. Abenson built a decent case against Jspazz, but it was brushed off by a "I couldn't make up my mind" when it was more "I was riding every bandwagon to pop up" -_- Produce something useful. Post a list of suspects that doesn't include the almost bussed L. I've stated my suspicions. Nemy will be insanely hard to confirm for town or against town. (I don't know if I was clear on why I'm suspicious of him, but he's always suspicious) | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
We definitely want to go to the late-game with some anti-nukes, so I think we shouldn't force anti-nukers to come forward. It's true mafia might have anti-nukes, but that doesn't mean we should risk outing a town anti-nuker. Keep in mind, if we ignore the presence of anti-nukes for the moment, nukes are stronger in the hands of mafia than town, because mafia already know who is not on their side. Town nukes may or may not hit mafia, and if fired off at random, are more likely to hit town-aligned than not. I am not in favor of a stance where nukes are used more freely. If town members start regularly using nukes, then the mafia can blend in and get a few extra guaranteed town kills by launching nukes of their own, while the town in return gets a few marginal chances to hit mafia. (And of course if there is a third party that wins by high radiation, all of this advances this player's interests.) Since mafia nukes are much more likely to hit their enemies than town nukes, keeping town anti-nukers alive is a bigger concern than getting rid of mafia anti-nukers. Anyways, it's only when town keeps their nukes in check that mafia cannot nuke freely, as people who nuke in this situation are suspect. I'm repeating myself from earlier on for the next point, but once we reach lategame, if there are only a few more town members than mafia left, it's possible the mafia could use nukes to reduce the number of town members so that mafia have a majority and win. So anti-nukes need to be reserved for this situation. As for the role of anti-nukes in a game where nukes are used freely. If the anti-nukers aren't sure which nukes are launched by town and which are by mafia, then it's just a random crapshoot whether or not the mafia nukes are nullified. I highly doubt there's as many anti-nukes as nukes. So the existence of anti-nukes is not enough to make it beneficial to follow a policy where nukes are used more freely. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
I haven't said Japan once, nor is there any information in the thread indicating otherwise. Tree.hugger, either you're a mason, mafia, or you're the guy that shot down the nuke, ostensibly to stop us from being able to talk about killing you. Seeing as the masons probably would have made a comment, that leaves you in an odd situation. | ||
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On March 26 2010 10:02 L wrote: Because if mafia have anti-nukes, we'd kinda want to know the identity of the anti-nuker if RoL kills caller and he flips red. Then the guy needs to justify his actions. Derp. So you're arguing that if the anti-nuker is mafia, then it would be in the best interests of the town for them to claim firing the anti-nuke? Well yeah, okay, sure, good luck with that. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
I doubt that's the case though. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On March 26 2010 10:06 tree.hugger wrote: So you're arguing that if the anti-nuker is mafia, then it would be in the best interests of the town for them to claim firing the anti-nuke? Well yeah, okay, sure, good luck with that. No, I'm not. If the anti-nuker is town, he will probably step forward unless he has another ability, which is unlikely. If he's mafia and doesn't step forward, then RoL should nail Caller 100% and we can be happy that mafia just wasted an anti-nuke. | ||
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On March 26 2010 10:04 L wrote: Also, who said I'm talking about Japan? I haven't said Japan once, nor is there any information in the thread indicating otherwise. Tree.hugger, either you're a mason, mafia, or you're the guy that shot down the nuke, ostensibly to stop us from being able to talk about killing you. Seeing as the masons probably would have made a comment, that leaves you in an odd situation. You're talking about Japan because Japan fired the anti-nuke. What are you talking about? Just saying something like "you're either a mason, mafia, or Japan" doesn't make it true. In fact, the sole reason you went after me is because I went after you. Fair enough. But pretending like you have some evidence to support that, when clearly none exists is simply rhetoric. You're entire argument for the anti-nuker (Japan, in case you're not following along) could only benefit a mafia perspective. Who are you, L? | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On March 26 2010 10:06 tree.hugger wrote: So you're arguing that if the anti-nuker is mafia, then it would be in the best interests of the town for them to claim firing the anti-nuke? Well yeah, okay, sure, good luck with that. True... So we should assume you've launched the anti-nuke. Where is my request for suspects that don't include L? | ||
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
On March 26 2010 10:12 L wrote: No, I'm not. If the anti-nuker is town, he will probably step forward unless he has another ability, which is unlikely. If he's mafia and doesn't step forward, then RoL should nail Caller 100% and we can be happy that mafia just wasted an anti-nuke. Yeah, but what happens if the anti-nuker is town, steps forward, and RoL nails caller, who in turn flips red? | ||
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