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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
March 26 2010 01:51 GMT
#801
lolol fucking Japanese always have to ruin fun.

Viva La Revolucion.

Good luck~
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L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
March 26 2010 01:53 GMT
#802
Stupid logic through and through. Think I'd really be that obvious, as to make Japan's argument in third person?
Given your past history, yes.

I pointed out that there may be very good reasons for the person who fired the anti-nuke to remain under cover, whether they be town aligned or mafia aligned. Therefore, your call for the anti-nuke person to reveal themselves is redundant, ill-conceived, and spam.
Do you know what redundant and spam mean? Because while you might disagree with the idea and call it ill-conceived, it is in no way either of the other two.

Which leads me to believe that you're trying to play yourself up as a big shot or something without knowing what the words you're typing actually mean. Which is pretty hilarious in and of itself.

If you read prior, you'd know that I didn't see that Japan was mentioned in Ace's post, so I already DID retract the statements above. Your defence, however, ignoring that point and trying to attack me on other grounds for no reason is highly suspect.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
March 26 2010 01:54 GMT
#803
On March 26 2010 10:03 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2010 09:52 tree.hugger wrote:
On March 26 2010 09:48 L wrote:
On March 26 2010 09:43 tree.hugger wrote:
On March 26 2010 09:15 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Who anti-nuked for Caller? That person should step forward, and RoL should definitely eat Caller's brains....Mafia saving caller? Not in my mafia world?!?!


And immediately get killed by the mafia? Yeah right.

Japan is a country that should certainly have more tricks up their sleeve, having this person out themselves will not happen if they're mafia, and should not happen if they're town aligned and want to stay living.


Why would he get killed by mafia? Anti-nukes are on the same numbered reserve that nukes are on; Given that RoL admitted to having a single nuke, its very probably that anti-nuking countries have a single anti-nuke as well.

There's a pretty obvious reason why we'd want the anti-nuker to come forward, but lets see how people react to this first.

What is the obvious reason?

So we can lynch them? So we can not lynch them? What is gained by knowing who did this?

Your assumption about Japan only having one anti-nuke cannot be proven, and in fact, the fact that the anti-nuke was used so early perhaps suggests that this player has other options at their disposal.



Who cares? Nukes/Anti-nukes are not all that important. What is important are actual roles/lynches/night kills.

Seriously. You're probably going to die tomorrow. Let's face that. Nikon maybe too, but I'm still supporting Nemy or Jspazz, or someone that provides nothing. Abenson built a decent case against Jspazz, but it was brushed off by a "I couldn't make up my mind" when it was more "I was riding every bandwagon to pop up"

-_-
Produce something useful. Post a list of suspects that doesn't include the almost bussed L.
I've stated my suspicions. Nemy will be insanely hard to confirm for town or against town. (I don't know if I was clear on why I'm suspicious of him, but he's always suspicious)


Thanks for predicting the future.

With you and L voting for killing me tonight, I probably won't have too much of a chance. You and L were the immediate proponents of Japan revealing himself, a strategy that anyone could see would be very dangerous, if not fatal to that player. You and L have moved in lockstep in accusing me of being mafia, simply for pointing out what should be common sense.

So that's the list you wanted. You and L. And if I do die tonight, let this be a record of your intentions.

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johnnyspazz
Profile Joined April 2009
Taiwan1470 Posts
March 26 2010 01:57 GMT
#804
On March 26 2010 10:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
lolol fucking Japanese always have to ruin fun.

Viva La Revolucion.

Good luck~

are you not using your final powers?
"The big difference between sex for money and sex for free is that sex for money usually costs a lot less." -Brendan Behan
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 26 2010 02:03 GMT
#805
If you have a night action you may send it in now. (RoL isn't using his role powers based on that last post)




Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
March 26 2010 02:06 GMT
#806
On March 26 2010 11:03 Ace wrote:
If you have a night action you may send it in now. (RoL isn't using his role powers based on that last post)





I assumed he had to PM you to use it? Ask him via PM.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
March 26 2010 02:06 GMT
#807
On March 26 2010 10:53 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
Stupid logic through and through. Think I'd really be that obvious, as to make Japan's argument in third person?
Given your past history, yes.

Open ended, intentionally vague arguments are really really persuasive.

On March 26 2010 10:53 L wrote:
Show nested quote +

I pointed out that there may be very good reasons for the person who fired the anti-nuke to remain under cover, whether they be town aligned or mafia aligned. Therefore, your call for the anti-nuke person to reveal themselves is redundant, ill-conceived, and spam.
Do you know what redundant and spam mean? Because while you might disagree with the idea and call it ill-conceived, it is in no way either of the other two.

Attacking my vocabulary is another great way to gain points. Count it!

On March 26 2010 10:53 L wrote:
Which leads me to believe that you're trying to play yourself up as a big shot or something without knowing what the words you're typing actually mean. Which is pretty hilarious in and of itself.

I would never play myself up to be a big shot. That's your domain.

I suggested we lynch you on Day 1, as per the normal strategy of lynching inactive players. Beyond this, I was aware of your singular ability to disrupt the functional working of the town. I have already made clear that these were my reasons for voting to lynch you. When you returned, you defended yourself, by lashing out at me - perfectly reasonable. In the meantime, of course, you have succeeded in your perpetual quest to derail the town's efforts and confound everyone involved.

Here's specifically what I object to. Your grandstanding, and pretending that you have any motive for lynching me beyond a defense against my accusations against you. You don't. Admit it.

I'll be voting for you, bar anything unexpected, (like my living to tomorrow, for example) because your disruption of common sense in this game has been pernicious, in actively asking a potentially valuable potential town member to compromise their safety.

On March 26 2010 10:53 L wrote:
If you read prior, you'd know that I didn't see that Japan was mentioned in Ace's post, so I already DID retract the statements above. Your defense, however, ignoring that point and trying to attack me on other grounds for no reason is highly suspect.

When did you retract your argument? You were still advocating it a page ago. But at the very least, it's nice you admitted to being wrong about something.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-26 02:25:14
March 26 2010 02:15 GMT
#808
##RevengeNuke: JohnnySpazz

My power is limited, and I didn't realize my power was supposed to post in the thread.
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Elemenope
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
March 26 2010 02:18 GMT
#809
I'm so fucking confused about what's going on now.
In DotA you could
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
March 26 2010 02:18 GMT
#810
On March 26 2010 11:15 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
##Nuke: JohnnySpazz

My power is limited, and I didn't realize my power was supposed to post in the thread.


Is that your revenge attack or another random nuke :O


L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
March 26 2010 02:19 GMT
#811
On March 26 2010 11:06 tree.hugger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2010 10:53 L wrote:
Stupid logic through and through. Think I'd really be that obvious, as to make Japan's argument in third person?
Given your past history, yes.

Open ended, intentionally vague arguments are really really persuasive.

Show nested quote +
On March 26 2010 10:53 L wrote:

I pointed out that there may be very good reasons for the person who fired the anti-nuke to remain under cover, whether they be town aligned or mafia aligned. Therefore, your call for the anti-nuke person to reveal themselves is redundant, ill-conceived, and spam.
Do you know what redundant and spam mean? Because while you might disagree with the idea and call it ill-conceived, it is in no way either of the other two.

Attacking my vocabulary is another great way to gain points. Count it!

Show nested quote +
On March 26 2010 10:53 L wrote:
Which leads me to believe that you're trying to play yourself up as a big shot or something without knowing what the words you're typing actually mean. Which is pretty hilarious in and of itself.

I would never play myself up to be a big shot. That's your domain.

I suggested we lynch you on Day 1, as per the normal strategy of lynching inactive players. Beyond this, I was aware of your singular ability to disrupt the functional working of the town. I have already made clear that these were my reasons for voting to lynch you. When you returned, you defended yourself, by lashing out at me - perfectly reasonable. In the meantime, of course, you have succeeded in your perpetual quest to derail the town's efforts and confound everyone involved.

Here's specifically what I object to. Your grandstanding, and pretending that you have any motive for lynching me beyond a defense against my accusations against you. You don't. Admit it.

I'll be voting for you, bar anything unexpected, (like my living to tomorrow, for example) because your disruption of common sense in this game has been pernicious, in actively asking a potentially valuable potential town member to compromise their safety.

Show nested quote +
On March 26 2010 10:53 L wrote:
If you read prior, you'd know that I didn't see that Japan was mentioned in Ace's post, so I already DID retract the statements above. Your defense, however, ignoring that point and trying to attack me on other grounds for no reason is highly suspect.

When did you retract your argument? You were still advocating it a page ago. But at the very least, it's nice you admitted to being wrong about something.

1) Wasn't vague. I looked through your past games. You make substantial errors in reasoning repeatedly.

As for behaviorally:

You played in mafia 16 and 18. You were town in both of these games. You did very, very little posting in both of them. In 16 you seem to have made an effort at posting. Your few posts were fairly large, but included a lot of town building consensus language and you generally looked at issues instead of starting fights. Your posts aren't 100% accurate reasoning, but at least you make an effort. A substantial effort. Even when you disagree with people, maybe one or two posts has potentially inflammatory content.

In 18 you hold off. You make nearly zero content posts and are generally happy to lounge around and do nothing. You're probably one of the top 3 lurkers in that game.

This game you've been incredibly offensive from the start.

I'm not the only one that realizes that trying to off me for 'inactivity' when its a 2 day ban is kinda silly. The idea behind inactivity hits is to get people posting and to try to pre-emptively take out a lurker. Its pretty obvious that I'm not going to say nothing all game long, so why would you hold onto the inactivity logic? Fishball is a ball of rage, so I understand why he's butthurt about me raping his logic last game. Versatile is permanently on a PMS bender and loves to pile the hate on me, so I can understand why she'd be eager to try and thumb her nose at me. For everyone else? They have explaining to do and that vote list comprises a significant mafia pool in my eyes because I'm not mafia.

If i was mafia and saw that I could potentially bus one of the best town players out of the game, would I? LOL FUCK YES I WOULD. THATS WHY I BUS ACE PRETTY MUCH EVERY GAME. Hence why I think mafia are probably somewhat concentrated in that list. Granted that you're on that list, yeah, I'd kill you, because I'd probably want to kill the majority of people on that list.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-26 02:22:10
March 26 2010 02:19 GMT
#812
ALERT! ALERT! ALERT!



[image loading]



In a last ditch effort, RoL has launched a nuke at johnnyspazz! Day is prolonged 24 hours and now ends at 11:15KST March 26th

Remember there is no current lynch. Once the nuke situation is finished we go straight to night
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
March 26 2010 02:21 GMT
#813
On March 26 2010 11:15 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
##Nuke: JohnnySpazz

My power is limited, and I didn't realize my power was supposed to post in the thread.

I'm so confused.

And we were all ready to figure out if Caller was mafia or not, now we're going to need to figure out what this means.

Oy vey.
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Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
March 26 2010 02:25 GMT
#814
Now the most important matter:
To save or not to save
As you've probably know, I'm all for lynching/killing JSpazz.
The most important part is that we, as a town, should collectively decide whether to save JSpazz or not.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
March 26 2010 02:27 GMT
#815
On March 26 2010 11:25 Abenson wrote:
Now the most important matter:
To save or not to save
As you've probably know, I'm all for lynching/killing JSpazz.
The most important part is that we, as a town, should collectively decide whether to save JSpazz or not.

We collectively were pretty cool with Caller dying, so how's this going to be any different :3.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
March 26 2010 02:29 GMT
#816
On March 26 2010 11:27 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2010 11:25 Abenson wrote:
Now the most important matter:
To save or not to save
As you've probably know, I'm all for lynching/killing JSpazz.
The most important part is that we, as a town, should collectively decide whether to save JSpazz or not.

We collectively were pretty cool with Caller dying, so how's this going to be any different :3.


Well I just thought that giving Jspazz a chance to talk could perhaps give us some evidence/information :O
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
March 26 2010 02:34 GMT
#817
On March 26 2010 11:29 Abenson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2010 11:27 L wrote:
On March 26 2010 11:25 Abenson wrote:
Now the most important matter:
To save or not to save
As you've probably know, I'm all for lynching/killing JSpazz.
The most important part is that we, as a town, should collectively decide whether to save JSpazz or not.

We collectively were pretty cool with Caller dying, so how's this going to be any different :3.


Well I just thought that giving Jspazz a chance to talk could perhaps give us some evidence/information :O

I'm cool with him talking, as I'd love for townies who know they're about to be confirmed to toss out information. I just don't see how a town consensus is going to change anything when we have some random hobos shooting down nukes without town consent. The most interesting thing would probably be reading the result to see if a different country was responsible for shooting the missile down.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
March 26 2010 02:34 GMT
#818
On March 26 2010 11:19 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2010 11:06 tree.hugger wrote:
On March 26 2010 10:53 L wrote:
Stupid logic through and through. Think I'd really be that obvious, as to make Japan's argument in third person?
Given your past history, yes.

Open ended, intentionally vague arguments are really really persuasive.

On March 26 2010 10:53 L wrote:

I pointed out that there may be very good reasons for the person who fired the anti-nuke to remain under cover, whether they be town aligned or mafia aligned. Therefore, your call for the anti-nuke person to reveal themselves is redundant, ill-conceived, and spam.
Do you know what redundant and spam mean? Because while you might disagree with the idea and call it ill-conceived, it is in no way either of the other two.

Attacking my vocabulary is another great way to gain points. Count it!

On March 26 2010 10:53 L wrote:
Which leads me to believe that you're trying to play yourself up as a big shot or something without knowing what the words you're typing actually mean. Which is pretty hilarious in and of itself.

I would never play myself up to be a big shot. That's your domain.

I suggested we lynch you on Day 1, as per the normal strategy of lynching inactive players. Beyond this, I was aware of your singular ability to disrupt the functional working of the town. I have already made clear that these were my reasons for voting to lynch you. When you returned, you defended yourself, by lashing out at me - perfectly reasonable. In the meantime, of course, you have succeeded in your perpetual quest to derail the town's efforts and confound everyone involved.

Here's specifically what I object to. Your grandstanding, and pretending that you have any motive for lynching me beyond a defense against my accusations against you. You don't. Admit it.

I'll be voting for you, bar anything unexpected, (like my living to tomorrow, for example) because your disruption of common sense in this game has been pernicious, in actively asking a potentially valuable potential town member to compromise their safety.

On March 26 2010 10:53 L wrote:
If you read prior, you'd know that I didn't see that Japan was mentioned in Ace's post, so I already DID retract the statements above. Your defense, however, ignoring that point and trying to attack me on other grounds for no reason is highly suspect.

When did you retract your argument? You were still advocating it a page ago. But at the very least, it's nice you admitted to being wrong about something.

1) Wasn't vague. I looked through your past games. You make substantial errors in reasoning repeatedly.

As for behaviorally:

You played in mafia 16 and 18. You were town in both of these games. You did very, very little posting in both of them. In 16 you seem to have made an effort at posting. Your few posts were fairly large, but included a lot of town building consensus language and you generally looked at issues instead of starting fights. Your posts aren't 100% accurate reasoning, but at least you make an effort. A substantial effort. Even when you disagree with people, maybe one or two posts has potentially inflammatory content.

In 18 you hold off. You make nearly zero content posts and are generally happy to lounge around and do nothing. You're probably one of the top 3 lurkers in that game.

This game you've been incredibly offensive from the start.

I'm not the only one that realizes that trying to off me for 'inactivity' when its a 2 day ban is kinda silly. The idea behind inactivity hits is to get people posting and to try to pre-emptively take out a lurker. Its pretty obvious that I'm not going to say nothing all game long, so why would you hold onto the inactivity logic? Fishball is a ball of rage, so I understand why he's butthurt about me raping his logic last game. Versatile is permanently on a PMS bender and loves to pile the hate on me, so I can understand why she'd be eager to try and thumb her nose at me. For everyone else? They have explaining to do and that vote list comprises a significant mafia pool in my eyes because I'm not mafia.

If i was mafia and saw that I could potentially bus one of the best town players out of the game, would I? LOL FUCK YES I WOULD. THATS WHY I BUS ACE PRETTY MUCH EVERY GAME. Hence why I think mafia are probably somewhat concentrated in that list. Granted that you're on that list, yeah, I'd kill you, because I'd probably want to kill the majority of people on that list.


I see where you're coming from.

Two disputes. First of all, you're criticism of my faulty logic is certainly correct, but also highly hypocritical. Mafia is a crapshoot in many ways, and you've had your fair of terrible calls in just the last few games as well.

Here's where you've bothered me in the past L, as well as this game. I recognize that in many games, including XX, you've been town aligned, and I've recognized your earnest attempts to aid the town. But in actuality, you posses a certainty in your writing which is highly convincing to some people, (including myself, on occasion) but also does not take into account the chance that you're wrong. You make gambits where you pretend to sacrifice yourself in order to get someone to be killed. We all know those are ploys, but they keep working, and you keep employing these disingenuous strategies.

Look, maybe we're on the same side here, and maybe we're not, but when you're so damn sure about everything, and when you actively move to stifle all other town points of attack, you're not helping the town effort. You say I've been nothing but offensive this game, but to who? To you, of course, and it's as if you're the only player who matters.

L, please try to be more accommodating, less ready to flame, and less self righteous about your abilities and your logic. Some humility would help the town, by causing less confusion and distress.

So here's my offer to you. Actively contribute to the town dialogue, instead of tearing townies down. Debate fairly and honestly. I'll be your ally if you choose to be reasonable. If not, I will vote for you tomorrow, and I will make sure that you cannot further muddle the water's with your posting.

Cheers.
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L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
March 26 2010 02:35 GMT
#819
Oh, and heads up, in around 20 hours i'm probably going to fake nuke ~Opz~ as per our original plan.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
March 26 2010 02:40 GMT
#820
Is there a point to continue to drag out the day with a fake nuke?
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
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