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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On March 26 2010 04:54 XeliN wrote: Versatile are you black? you seem black... I always thought Versatile was a girl... I know we have a couple wimins playing in mafia games, notably some of the mods' girlfriends. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On March 26 2010 05:06 Amber[LighT] wrote: I always thought Versatile was a girl... I know we have a couple wimins playing in mafia games, notably some of the mods' girlfriends. this just in blacks cant be women | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
The last time that Nikon posted was before the nuke was even launched. What if we actually needed him to do something? Zona had said that those who voted for RoL (which Nikon did pre-nuke launch) needed to be around the thread in case we decided to shift our votes to someone else in case of a) the vote didnt get traction b) RoL decided to become active Well, A) was nothing to worry about. The vote was going through easily. B) happened in the wrong way, and we're here where we are today. The thing that irks me about Nikon is that Zona SPECIFICALLY said in a big wall of red text "if you are going to vote for RoL, be sure you can be back before midnight if you need to change your vote" Here, I'll give you a direct quote: On March 25 2010 07:40 Zona wrote: Anyone voting for RebirthOfLegend with us needs to be ready to switch back to another candidate if this choice doesn't gain traction, so we can obtain a majority vote to avoid a no lynch for day 1! If it's possible, try to spare some time to check back later today, before 12AM EST! On March 25 2010 07:37 Nikon wrote: Even tho Abenson hasn't replied, and it doesn't look like he will, the roleclaim seems legit. If by any chance he comes around tomorrow and says that he's not mason, it gives us an easy direction for a lynch. So... ##Vote: RebirthOfLegend 3 minutes apart. Sure, he may not have seen it, but if that's the case since he hasn't posted anything in about 22 fuckin hours, it warrants his lynching even more validity and viability. When he does post, he doesn't even really post a lot. I wouldn't mind his style if he would actually push to help the town with many posts that are a few sentences, but he has given us around 4 posts that are one to three lines of sucking up and agreeing with people who are designing policies. I wouldn't be surprised, with his lack of contribution, if he just refreshed the thread to a recent page and hopped on a voting bandwagon. The town does not need people like this alive. The fact that he's from bulgaria is just icing on the cake for me. If he responds to this, great. It's always good to have discussion of who to lynch. It's amazing to see people squirm over not dying, much like I did last game under the pressure of L after I did those last minute vote changes. Nikon's case is different, though. I don't want someone who we may need to have on our side later sitting AFK getting a muffin while his ghost doesn't cloak and nuke. If he gets defended like RoL has been, and flips red, we can shift our focus onto those who defended him or who pushed a swing in the other direction away from his lynch. | ||
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
Regardless of whether he's town or not we set about some ground rules and he openly breaks them. I don't really think we should analyze and discuss this on a case-by-case basis because he FUCKED UP and needs to pay for it. I do get it... really I do, he's likely to be a townie, but nonetheless there needs to be consequences for people who play gung-ho or else this game's gonna go downhill fast. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On March 26 2010 00:04 haster27 wrote: How can we role-claim to him without getting it also known by anyone else when PM is prohibited? The simplest way is to use say something in the open that is qualified by something only Opz would know. Then again, I guess most people don't know anything to use in that manner. Granted the fact that this is a sc site, ask him to play some games, then develop a conditional based on the results of the games. If we went 5-0 i'm a dt if we went 4-1 i'm a townie if we went 3-2 i'm USSR and i have a billion nukes. You can easily get by the restrictions on PMs if you know you can code your information based on something that only the other player would know. Whether or not that's too much work for most people is another question entirely. Granted the lazy factor up in here. On that note, if anyone wants to play 5 or so games of SC2, feel free to look my name up in the HoN thread. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
Kid clearly wanted to wagon me. I'd much prefer that we nuke the shit out of RoL and use anti-nukes on any retaliatory strikes. If he's town he shouldn't throw extra nukes out. If he's mafia, good. 2 seems like a good number of missiles. The list of people who wanted to off me during a 36 hour ban is either full of retards, mafia, or people who are still consumed with the ghost of the rage donut. I suggest the best course of action for the town is to simply lynch everyone on that list. | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
Depending on how the night kill turns out, I suggest looking at d3_crescentia and tree.hugger and maybe Xelin. It should also be somewhat clear about a few persons' alignment besides Opz and Aben. Also, i don't think we should read too hard into the people defending or supporting the lynch of RoL when he flips. It's easy to incriminate someone who fucked up and both town and mafia alike will have called him out on it. | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
On March 26 2010 04:54 Bill Murray wrote: I am suspicious of those who normally contribute a lot, are online right now, and are not contributing *looks over at meeple* Yeah I had class... so I wasn't online. Dunno what gave you the impression I was. Next time I'll let you know when I go afk. I won't be around for the lynch/nuke but I think we'll have no problem getting majority, even if it is for RoL. Hopefully green blood isn't soaking the floor tonight. | ||
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haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
On March 26 2010 05:46 L wrote: Oh yeah, ##Vote tree.hugger Kid clearly wanted to wagon me. I'd much prefer that we nuke the shit out of RoL and use anti-nukes on any retaliatory strikes. If he's town he shouldn't throw extra nukes out. If he's mafia, good. 2 seems like a good number of missiles. The list of people who wanted to off me during a 36 hour ban is either full of retards, mafia, or people who are still consumed with the ghost of the rage donut. I suggest the best course of action for the town is to simply lynch everyone on that list. I am seriously beginning to doubt my decision to argue in your favour. First, there are lot of things wrong about launching nuke against him, with cliches such as ToD waste of nuke etc etc, but the most damning of all is that the very fact you are advocating nuke as his mean of death instead of the lynch. First, RoL is the player who decided to launch a nuke because he was pushed into majority lynch position. His comments and spats against other Townie prove that he is type of player who base at least part of his decisions on emotions. Do you seriously expect he will not retaliate when someone launches an nuke against him, especially if its by 'unconfirmed' Townie? You propose we should use anti-nuke at his retaliatory missile, but isn't the conservation of Town's defensive ability part of the reason why we are acting reluctant to save Caller (although agreeably his lurkish behaviour also contributed to this a lot)? Why risk decreasing Town's nuke defense capability by 1 when we can simply lynch him out? If you were serious about eliminating all the people that bandwagoned against you with intent of being an pro-town, you would have proposed lynching RoL and nuking tree.hugger. This plan is far more efficient than your quoted idea because: 1) It both leads to your suspect's death. 2) More realistic; has no worry about day 1 ending with no lynch during the confusion the Town switches their votes from RoD to tree.hugger. 3) There are less risk of retaliatory nuke- the Town does not need to waste anti-nuke needlessly. 4) More information; whether tree.hugger possesses nuke or anti-nukes. I mean, I know you are half-joking, but this is such an horrendous proposal that I just had to write this out. Of course the most pro-town move would be to HOLD OFF THE NUKES, wait for the alignment of RoL (and possibly Caller) and NK, then make day 2 lynch as an rational human beings. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On March 26 2010 05:46 L wrote: Oh yeah, ##Vote tree.hugger Kid clearly wanted to wagon me. I'd much prefer that we nuke the shit out of RoL and use anti-nukes on any retaliatory strikes. If he's town he shouldn't throw extra nukes out. If he's mafia, good. 2 seems like a good number of missiles. The list of people who wanted to off me during a 36 hour ban is either full of retards, mafia, or people who are still consumed with the ghost of the rage donut. I suggest the best course of action for the town is to simply lynch everyone on that list. Damn straight. Your posting in the last Mafia game almost singlehandedly led the town off track time and time again. You're unhelpful, aggressive, self-interested, and spam the thread constantly. Also, you were banned, which, ironically, probably helped us get a clearer picture of how to play the game. But by saying I wanted to 'wagon' you is a little unfair, my vote for you was, and is an honest choice. Obviously, I'd prefer other people go along with me, but by using that word, you're suggesting that there was somehow some nefarious plot behind my vote. Obviously, given your current state of being still in the game, that was not so. As a mafia in the last game, I learned well the benefits of keeping you alive. I eagerly anticipate the return of your analysis. And I will not hesitate to nuke you if you again embark on a strategy of disinformation and confusion. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On March 26 2010 05:46 L wrote: Oh yeah, ##Vote tree.hugger Kid clearly wanted to wagon me. I'd much prefer that we nuke the shit out of RoL and use anti-nukes on any retaliatory strikes. If he's town he shouldn't throw extra nukes out. If he's mafia, good. 2 seems like a good number of missiles. The list of people who wanted to off me during a 36 hour ban is either full of retards, mafia, or people who are still consumed with the ghost of the rage donut. I suggest the best course of action for the town is to simply lynch everyone on that list. Except me. I only voted you to push you ahead of Abenson. I never supported the lynch of you, I just merely said if someone that did pops red, we slaughter you like a pig. =D | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On March 26 2010 06:09 haster27 wrote: I am seriously beginning to doubt my decision to argue in your favour. First, there are lot of things wrong about launching nuke against him, with cliches such as ToD waste of nuke etc etc, but the most damning of all is that the very fact you are advocating nuke as his mean of death instead of the lynch. First, RoL is the player who decided to launch a nuke because he was pushed into majority lynch position. His comments and spats against other Townie prove that he is type of player who base at least part of his decisions on emotions. Do you seriously expect he will not retaliate when someone launches an nuke against him, especially if its by 'unconfirmed' Townie? You propose we should use anti-nuke at his retaliatory missile, but isn't the conservation of Town's defensive ability part of the reason why we are acting reluctant to save Caller (although agreeably his lurkish behaviour also contributed to this a lot)? Why risk decreasing Town's nuke defense capability by 1 when we can simply lynch him out? If you were serious about eliminating all the people that bandwagoned against you with intent of being an pro-town, you would have proposed lynching RoL and nuking tree.hugger. This plan is far more efficient than your quoted idea because: 1) It both leads to your suspect's death. 2) More realistic; has no worry about day 1 ending with no lynch during the confusion the Town switches their votes from RoD to tree.hugger. 3) There are less risk of retaliatory nuke- the Town does not need to waste anti-nuke needlessly. 4) More information; whether tree.hugger possesses nuke or anti-nukes. I mean, I know you are half-joking, but this is such an horrendous proposal that I just had to write this out. Of course the most pro-town move would be to HOLD OFF THE NUKES, wait for the alignment of RoL (and possibly Caller) and NK, then make day 2 lynch as an rational human beings. Nuking him was my initial suggestion. The idea is that the ToD will indeed rise, but that means that mafia has less incentive to nuke upon being lynched for fear of them losing the game gratis based on radiation. Do I expect RoL not to launch nukes? I don't know how many he has. If he's town, he will NOT want to retaliate. If you believe that RoL is green and simply made a bad move, you can confirm that here with ease. You'll actually see why this is important in the next paragraph. On the topic of not anti-nuking caller: the main justification should be that the town overwhelmingly thinks that a player of Caller's caliber isn't producing enough to justify keeping him alive. If people had a substantial pro-town read on Caller, they would probably argue FOR the deployment of an anti-nuke. After all; the entire point of the anti-nuke is to prevent town-directed nuclear hits (err, or mafia directed nuclear hits if mafia has anti-nukes). Its rather quite irrelevant here: If RoL throws off retaliatory nukes, he's almost 100% certain to be mafia. If he is, we're shooting down mafia nukes. Its the best case scenario. So essentially nuking RoL allows us to ask, as a town, a question to him: Are you green and believe Caller's red? If so, take the nuke in the face, die, and that's that. If you're red and retaliate? We will shoot down ALL your missiles, including the one directed at Caller. Lynching RoL and nuking tree.hugger is precisely what I do not want to do; checking if we can change votes is a barometer of activity, for one. Additionally, if tree.hugger is indeed mafia, then he's likely to throw off as many retaliatory nukes as possible. Note how the lurker responds nearly immediately when called out. RoL by contrast might even be out of nukes by this point; between him and tree.hugger you need to assess if you believe RoL is town. If you do, your plan is concretely inferior by miles. So my suggestion essentially minimizes the potential for raising the ToD in days to come. If we don't react to nukes with other nukes, people have carte blanche to throw off single nukes when they're going to get lynched like RoL did. Additionally, not throwing retaliatory nukes gives town players the ability to nuke someone at the cost of their own life. Why is this important? If I'm 99% certain that you're mafia, but I can't get the town to listen to me, its actually in my best interest to nuke against the town's will and then take the lynch in the face. That is NOT the type of incentive scheme we want going. We need to concretely dissuade ANYONE from throwing a nuke by making the penalty as close to "everyone loses" as possible. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
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haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On March 26 2010 04:39 Amber[LighT] wrote: BTW once again for the records RoL is not a great player, Ace could tell you that but he's restraining... I know it  You suck more. b) RoL decided to become active I was going to be active either way. That just forced me to do it earlier. On March 26 2010 05:35 nemY wrote: In light of certain circumstances I'm changing my vote to ##RebirthOfLegend Regardless of whether he's town or not we set about some ground rules and he openly breaks them. I don't really think we should analyze and discuss this on a case-by-case basis because he FUCKED UP and needs to pay for it. I do get it... really I do, he's likely to be a townie, but nonetheless there needs to be consequences for people who play gung-ho or else this game's gonna go downhill fast. This entire post is bullshit, congrats I offically find you suspicious. I strait up say I want to be lynched and you are like we must set principle on me? This is retarded, every bit of it. You don't think we should analyze this situation? What game are you playing rofl? On March 26 2010 05:42 L wrote: The simplest way is to use say something in the open that is qualified by something only Opz would know. Then again, I guess most people don't know anything to use in that manner. Granted the fact that this is a sc site, ask him to play some games, then develop a conditional based on the results of the games. If we went 5-0 i'm a dt if we went 4-1 i'm a townie if we went 3-2 i'm USSR and i have a billion nukes. You can easily get by the restrictions on PMs if you know you can code your information based on something that only the other player would know. Whether or not that's too much work for most people is another question entirely. Granted the lazy factor up in here. On that note, if anyone wants to play 5 or so games of SC2, feel free to look my name up in the HoN thread. Yeah last time I checked, rules were meant to be worked around and broken. What the fuck? Do you think you are showtime? Stop being an asshole and just communicate in the thread. On March 26 2010 06:02 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Yeah i guess the whole problem with this RoL thing is that somehow people got convinced to vote for him for being inactive, so he goes ahead and nukes someone - really, we should have seen this coming. There are probably only a few players in this game who wouldn't fire off the last minute death nuke on whoever they find suspicious. This then puts us in a tough spot because now we're forced to lynch him by protocol even though he is no longer inactive. Tough shit i guess. Depending on how the night kill turns out, I suggest looking at d3_crescentia and tree.hugger and maybe Xelin. It should also be somewhat clear about a few persons' alignment besides Opz and Aben. Also, i don't think we should read too hard into the people defending or supporting the lynch of RoL when he flips. It's easy to incriminate someone who fucked up and both town and mafia alike will have called him out on it. What the fuck? Do you guys not understand I was inactive for like 24 hours and got fucking mobbed for it? Yeah I became fucking active, because my schedule fucking allowed it. Its very similar to how tomorrow I wouldn't post for around 12 hours because I have school from 10-1 then work from 3-10. Yet you are surprised that on my day off from school/work that I am suddenly "active"? This has to be some elaborate joke to annoy me. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
However if we agree to NOT anti-nuke the mafia would have to make a decision. Do we let our player die? or do we use OUR anti-nukes and try to convince the town the next day that some ingenious townie decided to save caller AGAINST the towns will. Which since we agree this play is mafia you can see who is trying to save caller. Not saving anti-nuking caller is the smartest thing to do in this situation. and Haster7, I am not a very emotional player. I get irritated sometimes, that's about it. I will not be launching retaliation nukes every 5 minutes, considering I don't have any left. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
Make's sense that RoL wouldn't retaliate if he were town...And increasing the ToD would reduce the incentive of Mafia to nuke later in the game. Don't know if we have enough people to switch the lynch to tree.hugger though... Everyone lurking right now please post, yay or nay to this....As haster said, it seems to be a pretty legit plan. I also don't support L on a warpath either, but it seems like a nice plan. So everyone, roll call. Let us know whos here. Also L...No SC2 in my life, sadly. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On March 26 2010 07:33 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: L I think the town shouldn't save Caller of their own will because the act of agreeing to do that could save a mafia, or a townie. However if we agree to NOT anti-nuke the mafia would have to make a decision. Do we let our player die? or do we use OUR anti-nukes and try to convince the town the next day that some ingenious townie decided to save caller AGAINST the towns will. Which since we agree this play is mafia you can see who is trying to save caller. Not saving anti-nuking caller is the smartest thing to do in this situation. and Haster7, I am not a very emotional player. I get irritated sometimes, that's about it. I will not be launching retaliation nukes every 5 minutes, considering I don't have any left. yes you are lol stop lying. | ||
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