EPTzona, will you post your revised and complete plan again? just so it's on the latest page, and for easy reference. i would hope many players who have yet to check in would be arriving soon.
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Versatile
United States396 Posts
zona, will you post your revised and complete plan again? just so it's on the latest page, and for easy reference. i would hope many players who have yet to check in would be arriving soon. | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
Thats why using the lynching system makes the most sense, we do not risk ruining the entire game and yet still punish people for launching Nukes spontaneously. In the example you outlined Anber, then yes, lynch the first and counter nuke the second, just as we would if we already have a confirmed mafia for lynch and yet still need to punish an idiot for randomly nuking. I think your idea that some people would have a way to mess with the lynch voting is wrong, can't see Ace implementing that personally.. | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
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Zona
40426 Posts
1. No one is to initiate a nuke. 2. Anyone who initiates a nuke should be revenge-nuked by TWO players with real nukes. To ensure only TWO revenge-nuke, those with real nukes need to refresh the thread, and see if two have already been launched. If not, shoot one. 3. If any of the revenge-nukes turn out to be fake, the faker needs to be lynched or nuked as well. 4. Do not launch fake nukes. This only serves to muddy the picture for the town and gives an opportunity for the target to get another nuke in the air. 5. Anti-nukes should be used at their owner's discretion. However, save some for the late game, so that at that stage, the mafia can't simply nuke a large proportion of the remaining town members and win. 6. If the town COLLECTIVELY (not by some individual thought) feels that they're probably close to losing, start using nukes as daytime vigilante hits. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
1) get majority to vote for the nuker tbh, i don't see this as a problem. Remember, nukes are not daytime vigis, they are quite distinct. most importantly is the fact that they are delayed by 24 hours. We have 24 hours to pull a majority, and if people don't show up within 24hr they are getting modkilled anyway. The other concern is people simply *not* voting for the nuker. My question is, why would anyone do that? if it's an agreed upon plan, anyone not following it=anti-town=dead. there might be those that just disagree, but i've yet to see a coherent argument as to why it is bad to kill someone that nukes without consensus, and i don't think i'll see one anytime soon 2) more than one nuker during the day ok this is a problem. however, the upside to this situation is, unless the nukes are launched simultaenously, we can wait for the result of one of the nukes and decide who to lynch. however, we still have to deal with the other nuker (assuming there were 2). i don't know what the best way to go about this is.. all i know is that we want both nukers to die without causing some bullshit tod. here are my ideas: 2i) lynch the second nuker on the day after. unfortunately if there's doubt about even performing one town lynch, i doubt this will work. 2ii) if possible have one of the nukee's counternuke the nuker, and we lynch the other one. that way they both flip on the same day (unfortunately this means more nukes in the air) 2iii) something with anti-nukes? like anti-nuke one, lynch other. i think regardless, we can all agree that people that nuke without consensus should be dead. and the best way to do this without bullshit tod is to lynch them. i don't think the majority is a big deal, and multi-nukers during one day is an issue for the counter-nuke plan too because of tod. so. lynch all nukers? | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
And the amendment to my plan of LYNCHING the first nuke-initiator rather than revenge-nuking them. @Xelin. I don't think we should be making any assumptions about the game setup. As Versatile stated earlier in response to a declaration I made about RoL's alignment (which I now retract, due to her point), Ace could have done anything for this game. The setup is hidden for such a reason. I would guess there's plenty of roles to mess around with anything. The game host does often derive enjoyment by seeing how everything mucks up everything else, especially with such a format. | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On March 24 2010 02:04 XeliN wrote: L being banned for 2 days in my eyes means he is not a viable candidate to be lynched, although the posts he has made already I disagree with but that might simply be because he's L and thats my general reaction to whatever he posts. As to the idea of retaliation against a player who has an itchy trigger finger, we have the perfect form of retaliation. We lynch them. Or to put it more bluntly Any player launching a nuke against another without at the very least providing coherent argument for doing so will be lynched. Furthermore the only instance whereby we would launch against a player who acts in this way would be if we already have a good candidate for lynching, then we will nuke or multiple nuke them (I am of the opinion that 2 ought to be enough) To get things started off in the voting section I am going to be Voting ~OpZ~ His post earlier on both seemed different in style to the way he posted in the last game and also was riddled with subtle "I am town" choice of wording, something I consciously made an effort to do in the last game I was mafia so guess I'll go along with my instinct here. To me, the tone OpZ used gives me the impression that he has the power to nuke. Doesn't feel scummy to me at this point of the game though. If you're Mafia, that would be a dumb way to get unwanted attention. | ||
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haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
However, I believe there are strong chance of role such as "Crazy gun-owner" that insta-kills the player that choose to nuke them. From the OP: "Some countries have seen a nuclear war coming and have constructed nuclear missile defense systems. Nukes may be shot down or worse..." Shot down part refers to anti-missile defense that is being discussed. The addition of word "worse" indicates that there are another defense or ability that is triggered by being target of the nuke. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On March 24 2010 03:19 Zona wrote: There are two things to discuss though - if we approach a day deadline with no majority vote. Is it worth it to launch a fake nuke to extend the day? And the amendment to my plan of LYNCHING the first nuke-initiator rather than revenge-nuking them. @Xelin. I don't think we should be making any assumptions about the game setup. As Versatile stated earlier in response to a declaration I made about RoL's alignment (which I now retract, due to her point), Ace could have done anything for this game. The setup is hidden for such a reason. I would guess there's plenty of roles to mess around with anything. The game host does often derive enjoyment by seeing how everything mucks up everything else, especially with such a format. No. If he hit no majority then we're effing stupid. There's no need to have people crying wolf when we're trying to retain order with nuking. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On March 24 2010 03:33 haster27 wrote: I do not believe there are vote-affecting roles in this game- to my memory there had never been such role in TL after the epic failure WRATH OF KHAAAAAN turned out to be. Like XeliN said, the vote list is published for all to see, so even if such role exist there should be no or little wiggle room for that player to exercise his ability. However, I believe there are strong chance of role such as "Crazy gun-owner" that insta-kills the player that choose to nuke them. From the OP: "Some countries have seen a nuclear war coming and have constructed nuclear missile defense systems. Nukes may be shot down or worse..." Shot down part refers to anti-missile defense that is being discussed. The addition of word "worse" indicates that there are another defense or ability that is triggered by being target of the nuke. (not an actual nuke) | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
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haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
you're the one hating on my successful game | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
On March 24 2010 03:30 Fishball wrote: To me, the tone OpZ used gives me the impression that he has the power to nuke. Doesn't feel scummy to me at this point of the game though. If you're Mafia, that would be a dumb way to get unwanted attention. You disagree with my observation on ~OpZ~ fine, i made it clear it was mostly intuitive based on how I tried to act when I was mafia, you then coming out and making what is essentially a slight accusation without actually doing so concerns me more. If I was mafia then yes it might be unintelligent to bring attention to myself early in this way, that is obvious. What concerns me more is did you type that just to state something obvious or did you just want to write the word "mafia" about another player? | ||
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haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
Oh yeah, you were the one that hosted that game, right? Sorry. But you have to agree the conclusion where entire Mafia doomed themselves by role-claiming as "Towine" was hilarious as hell. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On March 24 2010 03:39 haster27 wrote: Oh yeah, you were the one that hosted that game, right? Sorry. But you have to agree the conclusion where entire Mafia doomed themselves by role-claiming as "Towine" was hilarious as hell. that wasn't even my game (again, not actual nukes) | ||
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haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On March 24 2010 03:38 XeliN wrote: You disagree with my observation on ~OpZ~ fine, i made it clear it was mostly intuitive based on how I tried to act when I was mafia, you then coming out and making what is essentially a slight accusation without actually doing so concerns me more. If I was mafia then yes it might be unintelligent to bring attention to myself early in this way, that is obvious. What concerns me more is did you type that just to state something obvious or did you just want to write the word "mafia" about another player? You totally misread my post. I'm not talking about you at all. I said "IF you're mafia", you wouldn't want unnecessary attention, which is what OpZ did. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On March 24 2010 03:42 haster27 wrote: lol I hope this is not how the rest of the game is going to unfold. I already called this on page 8. We'll see what happens. | ||
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