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Killing Bill Murray day 1 inc. | ||
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On March 10 2010 07:44 Malongo wrote: one does not simply post one liners into ultralisk you know¿ Did the earthquake fuck up your question mark key? Honest question. | ||
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On March 10 2010 08:45 johnnyspazz wrote: wow L, he obviously has a cooler keyboard than you that posts upside down question marks. dont be so rude Its an honest question. I know how to make the upside down question marks using alt + numpad, but it seems like malongo switched over very suddenly after the earthquake hence me asking. Also bill murray dies on day 1. Don't care. Has to be done. | ||
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Bill Murray. Alternatively, if there's no day 1 lynch vote: I nominate myself on a platform consisting of lynching Bill Murray. | ||
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On March 10 2010 12:37 Qatol wrote: :O Don't vote for L! He's cheating! + Show Spoiler + That will be $20 Bill Murray. Now you get to troll the game for another day! Money well spent! Whatever. The important part is that Bill Murray needs to die day 1. | ||
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p.s. L how many times do I have to apologize before u can chill out, bro Nah, my entire game goal is to see you die spectacularly. If you flip red, double bonus. | ||
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If we were both mafia, I'd still want you dead because you're terrible and would probably ruin our plans, be afk during important votes, do stupid shit in PMs, forget to post in thread because you're on IRC pretending you have a big penis, etc. Yours cordially, - L P.S. If you're not mafia, I'm happy regardless. If I'm town, I'm happy we have one less retard shitting up the thread. If I'm mafia; Lol ur dead choo choo pain train. | ||
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So yeah, I'm still planning on killing Bill Murray and I think I'm a pretty cool guy, so vote for me. In terms of plans; You guys must be joking if you think that killing the town driver is a good idea. The town driver can literally swap mafia hit BACK AT MAFIA. ITS ABSOLUTELY BALLS OFF THE WALL AWESOME. After I'm elected, I've got a small roleclaim based play to go with; I'll ask DTs to check certain people during the night so that we can get groups started. Should be a pretty simple game from there. | ||
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On March 11 2010 06:50 nemY wrote: ... didn't we already try this one time? ... WAIT DIDN'T I ALREADY TRY THIS ONE TIME? Excellent thinking guys! ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/userfiles/22908.jpg?1243197108) Its not entirely wrong. That said, there are better options than telling mafia who the DTs are prior to having the votes secured. When they're all locked in, then you can be like "lol suplise". | ||
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On March 11 2010 09:00 Incognito wrote: Mayor elections. I am announcing my candidacy for office. Rolechecks: There's 1/25 GFs. But there's two known BGs who are pointless to rolecheck, so its really a 1/23 chance. Since 5 mafia can run for office and the GF can be picked after the mafia knows if they will get office, there is little point to rolechecking the mayor/pardoner. If there was one office and elections were determined randomly, there is a 20% chance of having a mafia mayor. Add another office, and your chance increases. Add a mafia busdriver, and you can't really do that. So in the end, BC's contention that elected officials have a greater chance of falling into town hands because false because the GF is picked. Which means that any mafia elected has the possibility of becoming the GF. BG protection. As BC said, BGs should get protection if we are to have invincible elected officials. In order for us to determine impartially who the medic should protect, we need to make it random. If I announce in the thread however, it may encourage flamewheel to alter the results to screw us over (or not?!). Since we don't know who the bodyguards are yet, as long as we determine now who the medics will protect, it doesn't matter who chooses. So right now, I'm sending pms to 4 people. All four of them will contain the same information, either first or last. After elections, everybody who got a pm reveals it and medics protect which either the first or last BG based on the BG's positions on the signup list. Questions? Objections? Vigilantes. Stay secret. Mafia bus drivers means you can't announce your hit in thread to confirm yourself. Town-aligned Bus Driver strategies. You may think that you need to be gosu to use this role effectively. But you don't. You don't even need to know the actions to use this role. The mere threat of Bus Drivers will cause the mafia to second guess any attempts to kill prominent players. One way to use Bus Drivers effectively: Swap a prominent player with some random player who you think won't be targetted. This effectively makes the prominent player invincible for one night. If you are a bus driver, do not reveal whether or not you have used up your 2 actions. To be effective, you need to keep the mafia unaware that you could switch out prominent players at any point in the game. This means that medic lists are not necessary. Medics are free to protect the chosen BG. Archives. For the sake of the town, please use it. It will help us sort through the inactives and will help us when you die. About newer players getting elected: Its a nice democratic idea. But its only worked once in the past. And that was with SemiOldGuy. Other than that, the benefits of the Mayor/Pardoner positions are that you are almost impossible to kill by the mafia. The town would benefit the most if the Mayor/Pardoner were strong pro-town players. An invincible pro-town Ver or MBH is more scary than an invincible DT. Especially with this format with bus drivers. If we could get a strong player who happens to be a DT, well, then that's even better. But strong players that the mafia will be afraid of > blue roles. So you're saying don't DT check the person with 3 votes who can't be killed because he could be the GF. Why does that seem retarded to me? Oh let me tell you why. Day 1 passes 2 people are voted in. If mafia attempt to run, they have the ability to put a single player in. The threat of DT checking prevents them from running more than one competitive option. Given that the good players in this game are limited, they're likely split up. I know that I'm not red, so that probably leaves either you or BC as the mafia candidate. One of you will probably be GF. Over the past many games I've realized that the person who first starts pushing the GF as a method of destabilizing town is probably the GF himself. Last game, for instance, Ace made repeated reference to the fact that he wanted to 'prove himself' through shooting. It was a pretty obvious self reference. When I asked called to be put back in, without even seeing the game I told him I was killing Ace, but the game was fucked and over by that point. In past games where I've been GF i've similarly relied on it as a method of painting other people as uncredible. I generally ended up being able to do wacky shit like get fucking medic or DT mayors killed off because i'd point to a mistake in someone's reasoning then go "LOL I FOUND YOU OUT GF HOLY SHIT" and then get them bussed. So given that, The mayor/pardoner NEED to be checked on the basis that it proves that at minimum ONE is legit. If ONE at the least is legit, then you can start some town building. Especially under certain circumstances. So yeah, DTs please check Mayor/Pardoner, and please make me one or the other (i'd highly prefer mayor so that I can kill bill murray). There's also another way to use bus drivers; you can use the town aligned bus driver after claims to assure that you have accurate DT checks. In doing so, you skirt pretty much the entire possibility of mafia redirecting your checks AND protect important players. Given that mafia aren't likely to hit their own members (unless knowingly bussed), the target/fake dichotomy is key. Anyways, vote for me. | ||
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ermm, ace was innocent last game so that example actually goes against your argument. Yeah, hence why Ace's actions were misleading. But the issue is that while he looked like the GF, he wasn't fooling anyone but the town. In the end he got shot for it.If a member of the mafia wins mayor/pardonner, isn't it GUARANTEED that he'll be the Godfather? Not even remotely. Mafia can grab both spots, put the goon in the mayor role, have him swing around with his 3 votes for a day or 2, then have the GF pardoner gain credibility by pushing the lynch of the mayor. Then lategame comes, we're in a lylo situation and... oh shit, we can't lynch because he pardons. The reason why they can't is the threat of having DTs check both, yet people are here saying "well, its useless to check". Wrong. checking is the threat itself, and there's a 100% chance that you find someone legit in either mayor or pardoner. If the GF goes up, what role does he take? What if his counterpart is blue and gets confirmed through role usage? Can the GF have his team hit the BGs in order to take out the confirmed protected blue? If he does, he needs to kill both BGs or reveal a goon (or just reveals a goon), then he needs a GOOD reason for why HE isn't dead the next day. Either way, the threat of checking both elected positions is massive, especially because if a GF doesn't run, then you have a set of DTs and protected blues that have tools to confirm each other. A medic mayor, for instance, who blocks a hit is a huge "oh shit" moment for mafia. Letting two potential blues have that position is also huge. Additionally, there's the question of 'what blue'? Who does the GF take? If he's a safe role, why would he run for mayor? If he's an active role, he needs to lie carefully and can be found out if he tries to claim. And that's another point; Pretty much any blue that gets elected is probably going to claim immediately. So the GF can't fucking putz around. You guys simply don't see how powerful having a blue office holder that can be checked is. Qatol was shitting bricks about it earlier, which is why the BGs are public, but we can abuse that too. Just wait, champs. Think for a bit and build a strategy given our game format; its highly abusable. | ||
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On March 11 2010 10:37 madnessman wrote: He's trying to make you look bad, by saying that someone who accuses others of being the Godfather is usually the Godfather himself, since said person is just trying to divert suspicion so the town won't realize that it is HE who is GF.. Which doesn't necessarily make a lot of sense to me, because when the accused GF gets lynch and turns over town-aligned, won't the accuser just look like someone who cried wolf? No,its more that players with a certain role are more likely to ask questions about that role or how they fit into the game than other players. A player who makes a huge post about a DT plan then goes afk looks VERY much like a DT because he's doing 2 things DTs do: thinks about himself and his role as a DT, then he tries to not die. Greens generally run inactive in our games unless they're veteran players trying to run pro-town moves, or bad players trying to stave off the boredom of being plain. Greens also try to trap people in pms, but that doesn't really work well. By contrast someone like the vet will post excessively pro-town things in a bid to get killed; Ver generally doesn't talk very much in an effort to stay alive for a few days; Last game as Vet he was active far earlier. Some other vets will attempt to claim medic or DT in an effort to get hit. This doesn't work well in our games because we shoot liars (sometimes). I'm also running on the idea that there's going to be a good player who's GF; I haven't really seen GF given to a shitty player because they generally can't command enough respect within the mafia to have people agree. if that's the case, there are 5 main 'candidates' for GF in the game. Me, Malongo, Incog, Cobbler and Foolishness. I know I'm not, so for my personal calculations, there's a 25% chance one of these 5 is the GF. Additionally, guessing on how teams balance, given mafia's low kp and the structure of the game, I'd say that 2-3 of these players are probably mafia. Incog and Cobbler have decided to run. That's perfectly fine and entirely expected of them. If the mafia team running is most likely to only send a GF candidate after the early talk of checks, then one of them is probably legit, and the other is probably not. Additionally, that also means that foolishness and Malongo are probably 1-1 on the legit/not ratio too. But I'm not confirmed to people who aren't me (yet) so the actual numbers are a bit off. But that's all conjecture, and frankly it won't matter because by night 2 we'll have all of them checked and the 1-2 goons in that group will likely be caught and the rest will join the town circle. | ||
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On March 11 2010 11:34 Incognito wrote: Uh a bit confusing here. But what happens if the GF just picks green? Nothing to prove and nothing to hide. How do we abuse that instance? Why the fuck are you running for mayor as green? If anyone is doing dumb shit like that I will drive the lynch bus straight down your face. These are confirmable spots; we can't confirm green beyond 'not goon'. We can confirm medic. We can confirm DT. We can confirm Driver (to a certain point). The only reason you'd want to take green into the mayorship is by asking to die the next day as a method of verifying that you're legit and allowing a controlled claim to go through. Even then, I think we've had a grand total of one person try that and he didnt' try that, he feinted. If you take the position that mafia's only going to run a single candidate, running as green seems even stupider; Mafia NEVER fail to get their candidate in if they want him there. EVER. So the idea that you'd step in to stop another mafia from getting in is absolutely retarded; you're taking the spot from a blue because you want to be cute and go "i pardon xyz, he's town for sureeeeeeeee" or throw a few extra votes around and pretend you're more important now that you aren't 'just' green. | ||
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On March 11 2010 11:57 Fulgrim wrote: If no greens ran for office though, you would just be handing the mafia a hitlist of the candidates that were running. Well, that's the result of having checkable offices. Greens shouldn't be running for office unless they plan on losing. As for the comment about mafia being desperate to get office; Rofl. With a bus consisting of 20% of players in a game where we typically have less than 50% of the people throw meaningful votes, you think they're scared they can't convince 2-3 townies to vote for them, then bus if needed? Oh please. Mafia candidates often get in with little to no mafia support on the voter rolls too. | ||
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I do agree however, that greens should run. In a game like this, if a dt checks a green office holder, they can just use that person as a mouth all game. Yes there is a slight chance that person could be the gf, but thats a 1 in 24 chance. Yeah, we just went through what the GF might take into office, and you're saying you'd pm the impossible to confirm member. Or rather you're saying you SHOULD pm the impossible to confirm member. Somehow I think this is a really good way to get a DT killed during night 2. | ||
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On March 11 2010 12:40 Zona wrote: Considering his sentence includes "the other DT"...it seems like he's claiming DT. The thing is - we probably only have one DT. Oh good, some people can read. I can't tell you if you're entirely correct at this point, but you're on the right track. | ||
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On March 11 2010 13:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: It appears that he is hoping to get into office based on "hey im not green" Nope. I'm hoping to do something after I get into office based on "hey im not green", but its not really "hey im not green", thats kinda just something you guys have decided to run with. I'm just glad that people have decided to read posts carefully because they are CHOCK FULL OF CHOCOLATEY GOODNESS. I mean, I'll be pretty cryptic about what it is I want to do until I do it, but I'm going to point you towards the specific differences in format between this game and our normal games to give you an idea. Either way go go vote 4 me :3. | ||
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On March 11 2010 13:58 Incognito wrote: Awesome. Another out of the blue vote for the Cobbler. Anybody care to explain? Anybody care to explain why these phantom voters like you/cobbler over me?  | ||
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2) ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL DAY ONE PM CLAIMS. THIS SHIT IS OFF THE CHAIN. | ||
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On March 11 2010 14:27 Vivi57 wrote: oh and I think it'll be very obvious very quickly if he's trying to pull fake rolechecks So you're basically trying to claim DT for him without him actually claiming it. OK. I'm going to sleep, but this is pretty hilarious. | ||
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On March 11 2010 18:34 Bill Murray wrote: He insinuated he was a detective, and BloodyC0bbler PM'ed Vivi57 (so vivi says) saying he was a detective too. In my post above, in the top spoiler, BloodyC0bbler says he doubts that there would be more than 1 detective with the amount of rolechecks he can do in the current system. I would also rather someone PM claim than try to claim on the thread by hinting at something. In the second part of my post, in the bolded sections, it is important to read where L actually said "if the other DT wants to check him, that's fine" the -other- dt. I'm re-iterating something that Zona caught through this post. MY purpose is that we do not need to trust L. He almost had me convinced he wasn't the Godfather.... if he dies, and he's the detective, we can pretty much catch the Godfather.. Bloodyc0bbler. Bloodyc0bbler himself said that he only believed there would be one detective. Speak up, guys L, BloodyC0bbler WHICH ONE OF YOU IS IT? maybe you all are used to liars in office, but i'm sick of it. it doesn't have to be this way. I am hereby announcing my campaign for the Mayoral position. I pray that I am not diluting the mayoral pool with another town aligned player; it'd be nice if i didn't jeopardize the other truly town aligned players by taking votes from them, but that's the only way that I am for sure going to be able to stay alive in this game. Do the right things, guys, change the world and save my life. 1) Your bullshit here is obviously some self-serving stunt to survive. 2) No one should overtly claim until we have BG protection. 3) Given that you shouldn't run unless you have a role that can abuse the protection, did you just claim to be some form of blue? 4) Don't see how you're pro-town by building a candidacy purely on "I don't want to die and I don't like anyone else" without putting down any real non accusatory content. | ||
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L you are being quite scummy tbh right now. You have to consider the effect of having only blues run for office. It gives the mafia a list of blues, lawl. But surely you know that. Coupled with your "fun role" insinuation which is almost surely not a DT, I have to wonder what you're really doing . . . Not really. It doesn't add up, brah It seems pretty obvious that a number of the people running probably aren't blue; I didn't tell people not to run if they're green prior to after pretty much all of the competitive candidates already threw their hat in the ring; the question is whether or not they think they should push for the role after thinking about the game format. This game format is interesting because despite the fact that the offices can be confirmed, they can also be easily disposed of because of the bodyguard issues. If cobbler's a DT, I think its best for him to push. If Incog is green, I think its better for him to just step out of the race. If bill murray.. well no one cares there. If one of us are mafia, we're getting elected; Period. The question would be which of the innocents is getting in? Its also possible that no mafia get in if they decide to simply not make a run for office, which happens too. The alternative position, again, is that someone who's green can run for, say, pardoner, then have himself killed in order to get an ordered roleclaim started. I find it unlikely that anyone besides me would have the balls to do this because: 1) Ver's not in the game. 2) Showtime's not in the game 3) Judge is not in the game. The key point, however, is that medics can prevent a lot of mafia kp from getting through; If the medic protects the bgs under attack, it would take 2 full turns to break through the bodyguards, then a doublestack to kill the office member in play. That however, relies on the ability of us to focus our only medic on the BGs, which means that roleclaimed non-office blues present us with protection problems; Unless we have a bus claim to a confirmed office member, we can't really protect both extra and intra office blues. This is why I didn't want people explicitly claiming, and that's why it didn't matter if I said people shouldn't run as green: the candidacies were already in and no one had claimed at that point, so we were ironclad. If you guys think that my refusal to tell you what role I am is presents some sort of odd scumtell; you're retarded. You guys simply haven't been thinking about how to win. There's more to mafia than not have town members die; you need to develop a plan forward with the aim of winning otherwise you lose. This game has no clues, it has no list checks, it has very little kp on both teams. Its going to last for quite a while, so think ahead to days 3-4. Unlike in previous games wherein the game is basically over by then, that's simply not the case here. I personally have a plan that's almost assured to have us win. Once elected, I want a DT check thrown at me with a PM once they know my role. At that point, it should be pretty obvious what I'm trying to do from the DT's perspective and the town will have a relatively safe way to roleclaim. That said, there's a potential mafia bus driver problem, but I can get around that if I'm elected by using our bus and a few pms. I'll explain further during the night, and I'll need a few people to trust me, but if everything works out the game's pretty much won for town. | ||
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It ignores the Bus Driver of doom No it doesn't. I even mention it in your quote. Instead of vomiting out a bunch of text, feel free to actually read what I've written. I've said a few things that a number of people seem to be ignoring, but I find it interesting that people soldier on assuming that they're reading carefully when they clearly aren't. | ||
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On March 12 2010 02:49 flamewheel91 wrote: I'm still wondering how the name of "bus driver" came into this game, though it makes for epic lulz. Obviously Ver's profile picture. | ||
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it's amazing how you can write so much yet say so little Its amazing how you can write something and convey only a complete lack of reading comprehension. | ||
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On March 12 2010 04:17 JeeJee wrote: oh i completely understood everything you wrote. unfortunately there just wasn't that much to it, which is what i pointed out. sorry if that was too complex of a thought process for you Once again, you write something and convey a complete lack of reading comprehension. You sir, are impressive. | ||
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On March 12 2010 05:23 Bill Murray wrote: How many more times can we quote L's 70 line post on one page? Should we try for a third? How many more times can we quote it and put up relatively content-free comments? nemY, step up to the plate and answer your own question. | ||
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On March 12 2010 06:14 tree.hugger wrote: I'm a little worried about this three person election thing. I mean, it normally comes down to three people in the end anyway, but it seems like we've just been presented with three candidates who announced really early, and intimidated everyone else into not running. Two candidates have roleclaimed DT, which seems more than a little implausible, especially because both players are veteran players. Incognito is the only person untainted so far, but that really means nothing. XeliN isn't a serious candidate, and neither is Bill Murray either, but perhaps that means we might be better off trusting them? I think rolechecks on our elected officials are paramount early in this game, just to check the assertions these players have made so far. Curiously, if L is said to actually be the detective, there might be more reason to suspect him. It's ironic I think, that BC and L would look more like the godfather if they seem to be who they claimed to be. Wrong. Zero candidates have roleclaimed DT. Vivi claimed like a retard and exposed cobbler. I've never claimed DT. | ||
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On March 12 2010 06:24 citi.zen wrote: BC did confirm vivi's story though. He also said he was going to publicly role-claim for himself anyway before the election. Completely irrelevant. He said that after Vivi pulled a retard. Its one thing to claim, its another to say you'd have claimed when the actual claiming's been done. | ||
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On March 12 2010 07:49 Zona wrote: L, I really don't like how your posting has progressed. After hinting that you were the DT and using that as part of your campaign (which was fine by me), now you're backpedalling and stating that the obvious interpretation of your previous statements aren't correct. Whenever the town tries to get clarification on what you're trying to state - all you say is "you can't read" rather than actually clarifying whatever you stated before. You're clouding up the discussion and not being helpful to the town. On the other hand, no matter how strange the beginning to Bloodycobbler's claim was, he is now being entirely clear on his claim on being the DT, not leading us around in circles like you are doing. Of course stating clearly that one is the DT doesn't mean that the likelihood of him being the DT is higher, but we can measure his claim against his behavior in the future and rein him in if we figure out that he's not the DT. You, on the other hand, look like you want to get elected on your hint of being the DT which you seem to be preparing to retract, and if you are eventually elected and then claim to not be the DT, the rest of us have a lot less to work with to hold you to account. I didn't run on hinting I was the DT. Other people took my posts to mean that. Please don't impute what others have said to me, because that's really shitty play and it lets people do things like what I did to redtooth for shits and giggles. I said I was glad people were reading carefully, that's all. I'm actually quite surprised people haven't gone back and decided to read carefully, because if anything my real hint was in that set of instructions. No i'm not going to overtly claim before the voting is completed; I'd rather not have mafia know exactly what they're up against, especially if I need to keep it under wraps until tonight to let it work. I much prefer seeing people scramble and throw around accusations when they get scared, because that tells me mafia is probably not happy with the prospect of 2 blues being voted into office. | ||
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On March 12 2010 09:08 Iaaan wrote: I originally voted for incognito just because I thought it would be nice to protect a veteran who posts alot. No ses pools of noobiness/inactivty. But, I'm changing my vote to BC, simply because he looks like the candidate that is easiest to hold accountable. L is quite ambiguous. Not answering questions/confirming things and posting lots of walls of text. Also, I think that whichever of the three doesn't win will probably be the first person lynched if they aren't mafia. I kinda want to address this point because it seems to be a recurrent theme. Someone here is trying to get me to roleclaim when its entirely possible that I don't make it into office. Why? Why would anyone claim prior to having protection? The only real 'question' that people are asking me is "are you a DT?" and I've already said I'm not going to overtly claim. There are a few hints here and there, but that's just so that when I actually do declare my candidacy, i'll be able to say "look back here, like 2 minutes after the game started, I was hinting since there and as such its unlikely that I'm GF". So no, I'm not being 'ambiguous'. I've been pretty solid on this point. I'm simply not roleclaiming day 1 when I might not have BG protection. I don't see why ANYONE in the game would do otherwise. If you want to look at the 'ambiguous' characters, look at the people waffling around and rephrasing what's been going on to suit their need to discredit people who are probably town. Someone said Cobbler claimed overtly; He didn't. Someone said I claimed DT; I didn't. Someone said that I'm running on the basis that I'm blue: I'm not. Its just an interesting piling on of small modifications to what I'm saying, and what's going on in the thread, which results in this broken telephone effect. So please, feel free to go back to the source and READ. This is the last time I ask people to do that. If anyone else would like to actually propose a town strategy or provide some analysis on people or the format, feel free to, but it seems that people are getting by with day one accusatory one liners instead of actual thought. | ||
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On March 12 2010 11:44 JeeJee wrote: it's true he's running on the basis that he has a role that makes him want mayor and is not green he's just basically leaving open the possibility to go "lulz im a not-aligned busdriver"  Did you read what I wrote about being green? I would suggest that you check the part involving someone killing themselves with the addendum that says "the only player in this game who's ballsy enough to do that is L". Am I L? Oh, looks like I am. Hence if I'm running as green, I'm going to kill myself as confirmation in the part of a larger plan. 2+2. | ||
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Unless im mistaken, your saying your not a DT, which to me seems like the only confirmable role. No, I'm saying I'm not claiming until the night comes. You know, like i spelled out explicitly in my last.. 5 posts. Repeatedly. I'm getting tired of saying this. | ||
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Did you finally get picked for the mafia team? If not, are you claiming blue by running? Who would you kill if voted mayor and who would you like to get voted in if you can't get in? Sleep time, but I EXPECT ANSWERS. | ||
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The non-posters for Incog league? incognito 6 billmurray versatile abenson xelin cynanmachae fishball I mean, did you even look at who's voting for you? | ||
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On March 12 2010 20:26 Bill Murray wrote: L is elected Bill Murray gets lynched the town loses an active poster I implore you all to consider voting for BloodyC0bbler. I don't mind L becoming pardoner. I actually don't believe L is red this game. It's just really fishy that he's implied he's a dt, implied he's a bus driver, and implied that he's a green on a suicide mission to discover the mafia. I hope he's any of these, as long as he isn't red, but I'd be hoping for it more if he wasn't after my head. Other than his wanting to kill me, I'll explain why it is best to not vote for him in layman's terms. He is a loose cannon. When you get a player like BC or Incognito, even d3_crescentia, you get someone who is analytical and normal. They will react coolly to nearly any situation. L is obviously not as cool acting as he would have you believe. He holds grudges, he rages over actions, and he has been acting scummy regardless of whether or not he is red which has been detrimental to the town. If elected, would I lynch L? ____ no. He is too valuable to lynch if he really IS something like the bus driver. I would be much more apt to go for someone who is going to be modkilled anyways if that is possible. There is a higher percentage of town vs mafia, and thus a higher propensity of picking a town member than a mafia member in a stupid day 1 lynch where you have literally no information of any substance, weight, or value. Do the right thing, vote for BloodyC0bbler or Incognito. Don't vote for someone who changes their mind like L. I want to kill you mostly because you've really posted nothing besides attempts to save yourself by discrediting me. That's literally 100% of your post content. If you were pro-town, you'd probably be trying to generate some form of theory of the game or produce other content as well, but that's asking too much of you, it would seem. I haven't even posted about killing you in like 10 pages, yet you send me pms like "COULD YOU POSSIBLY NOT KILL ME PLEASE" and post consistently on that one message. Feels like you're waaaaay too desperate green role, but trying some shitty last minute candidacy is a pretty shit move if you're blue given that you just put a massive spotlight on yourself. Even if the mayor doesn't kill you, you're probably going to be hit early if you aren't red. Overall that means you're likely mafia, and I think you're the best shot we have over anyone else today. I probably wasn't going to actually kill you if voted in as mayor because I wanted to kill someone else for suspicious posting, but you went and one-upped him or her by a huge margin. Sorry broski | ||
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On March 12 2010 23:52 JeeJee wrote: except you're not you have explcitly stated you're running for mayor, not pardoner you've also explicitly stated anyone running for mayor as a green is doing dumb shit and wants to lose. ergo, unless you're doing dumb shit and want town to lose, you're not green Well, I kinda want to kill bill murray and I know I'm legit, so yeah the extra votes would be stellar to keep out of mafia hands. If my co-office mate person is indeed mafia, I'd actually rather he get pardoner over mayor because 1) I don't want him getting a free kp to shoot at one of the many people who are feigning blue and 2) Because a pardon this game is the equivalent to slightly less than a raw +2kp given the re-usage of blue roles during the night. Given the fact that the mayor is +1 kp from his day 1 lynch, you'd have to argue that the mayor's 3 vote wagon wouldn't be decisive in a single lynch for the rest of the game in order to posit that the pardoner is a stronger role here. Ergo if I'm going to blow myself, given the assumption that someone who's mafia might get office with me, I'd rather that he gets the weaker role. | ||
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On March 13 2010 00:17 johnnyspazz wrote: L, why haven't you voted? I voted for me. I dunno why that doesn't count anymore. | ||
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On March 13 2010 01:12 citi.zen wrote: Also I can't even remember the last game to allow people to vote for themselves. Weren't you the one accusing everyone of not reading carefully? La-la-la... I know what the rule is, I just think its dumb seeing as it hasn't always been that way. I'll vote later, probably for cobbler. And incog, why would mafia rather you in office rather than me? I know I'm not mafia, I also know I'm generally more active than you, and I've also stated that if I'm getting a role that can't be checked that I'm basically going to kill myself to have a full set of roleclaims. So pretty much no matter what I am, I'm claiming with the intent to prove it shortly thereafter. You, by contrast, are not offering any such game breaking attempts, yet you think mafia is more scared of you than me. But then you admit that you probably have like 3-4 fishy people voting for you. So how does that add up? It doesn't. I've got a paper due in 1.5 hours and I haven't even started formatting it, so I'll be back in 5.5 hours after transit/class is factored in. | ||
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On March 13 2010 01:49 Incognito wrote: Uh I didn't say mafia would rather have me in office than you. I said I think they'd prefer to have you in office. The reason is because, as you have already noticed, people are trying to discredit and doubt you. I'd think its much easier to discredit you than me, and thus the mafia might think that they can deal with you better in office than me. I'm not saying mafia will be scared of me, but that it will just be more difficult to get rid of me than you. It was a rhetorical question. Ie, mafia would much rather have you in office sitting around nothing nothing as a green. Your statement here essentially implies that you aren't going actually step up and lead and be held accountable for the results. Somehow I don't see how that's a quality you should have. We already know who the DT is.... You know who's claimed to be the DT. You know he didn't want you to know, and you have no evidence supporting anything beyond that. Once we have a rolecheck or two to confirm his identity, we'll know things for certain. | ||
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Also, no, incog, the DT lists will not be that, but given that DT checks get returned at the end of the night, I have plenty of time to explain what's going on to those involved. Its just a lot easier to discredit someone who posts abrasively and unclearly. Like you. I am posting VERY clearly, but people are intentionally ignoring what I'm writing. You, personally caught one person trying to do so, IE spazz a few pages. ago. Discrediting someone who posts LARGE amounts of content is generally done on the basis of their objective actions: Bussed a bunch of innocents? Y'all probably gon get killed. Made some mistakes? Y'all probably gon get called on them. Leading involves making mistakes, but more importantly it involves taking a stance. Your assumption is that your posting style is somehow 'town' but there's no indication of that. If I really wanted to throw dirt on you, I would, but there's just no point in doing that now. Your vote list is the fishiest shit I've ever seen, you're now saying you have a 'plan' and ask to DT check people when I specifically said DT checks on night 1 are an integral part of my plan and you're throwing dirt at me rather directly. You're also claiming at once that you're both 1) Worthy of being medic protected and 2) Green. The two do not add up. I could push this line of reasoning, but why? To make someone who's likely town look bad in the future? No point. You'll probably be checked on day 2 or 3 too, so why bother with suspicions when we'll largely have proof soon enough. | ||
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On March 13 2010 10:11 Bill Murray wrote: Which is exactly what you're doing. That's the pot calling the kettle black if I've ever seen it. You're going to lynch someone who is trying to help the town? I'm honestly trying to figure out who is red. If you get elected, and lynch me, my name won't be red. I already posted why. If you think you can make a better case for someone else without using the assumption that I'm red and that support for me is a mafia tell, maybe I'd listen. Seeing as I know I'm not red, I'm probably the only person in the thread who knows conclusively that ALL your reasoning is full of shit. | ||
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On March 13 2010 11:59 Bill Murray wrote: oh, yeah. too bad i'd end up green or the miller. So green people switch votes repeatedly and try to swing with less than 5 minutes left? No. Holding accountable is what's up. | ||
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On March 13 2010 12:01 Bill Murray wrote: jeejee pmed me telling me to change my vote, and I originally wanted Incognito in power anyways. I voted for BC out of necessity so I can make the mafia waste a hit on me later on. I guess i've finally convinced people not to trust you, and i'm going to admit something now: I kind of trust you, L. Sorry that I was so accusatory with you, I sort of had to do that to keep myself alive. I feel like you're either townie or the bus driver... only like 10-15% chance of being mafia. Well, doesn't really matter. Both you and JeeJee should probably be our next 2 lynch targets. If you believed me, and thought i was the driver, you'd want me sitting protected as pardoner. Incog now has the most BLATANTLY OBVIOUS FISHY VOTE TRAIN that I've ever seen. Bunch of inactives, then a vote swing. Wow. | ||
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On March 13 2010 12:12 JeeJee wrote: yeah i tried my best to start the swing via PMs because i trust incog, i don't trust you, and if you were mafia, changing votes ahead of time with 3 viable candidates pretty much guarantees that they get who they want in via gradual change themselves (or last-minute wagon if they want to look fishy). at this point, i'm sure they didn't get who they wanted in. but hey if you think i'm mafia and dumb enough to pm random people and ask to change the vote instead of working with my mafia buddies, then what can i say. all mindgamez now  So swinging the vote at literally 5 minutes remaining is legit? Sorry kid, you're getting killed tomorrow. I hope cobbler kills BM tonight. That WIFOM doesn't work either. While one of you might be green, its highly unlikely that a bunch of people swing the vote away from a town member and are innocent. Accountability. Feel free to enjoy some. | ||
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On March 13 2010 12:26 Fishball wrote: Curious question L, how old are you. Same age as Qatol | ||
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On March 13 2010 13:10 madnessman wrote: I initially voted BC because he claimed to be DT, and a DT in one of the mayoral positions is extremely extremely helpful for the town. When it became clear that BC was definitely going to be mayor, I changed my vote to L, because he implied that he too is a powerful blue, and Incog never seemed to deny that he was a green. HOWEVER, as I was skimming through the posts I had missed, I came across this: Knowing that Incog. is ALSO claiming blue completely changed my perspective. Because what are the odds that the three most veteran players ARE ALL BLUE?? Between L and Incog. I was torn--was one of them lying? I decided that between L and Incog, L was marginally more suspicious in my eyes, especially with sidesprang voting for him out of nowhere and only saying some stupid post, completely meaningless post:so I decided to change my vote to Incog. I later saw Zona's post, and wondered if it was a bad idea to impulsively switch to Incog. But with only three minutes left to spare and it still being 5 vs. 7, I figured it didn't matter--L would win pardoner. It turned 9 o clock and I thought voting was over. But then at 9.01 BM changed his vote, and thinking this was all incredibly suspicious, I tried to change mine back...but it was too late. Short version: I switched my vote but thought it wouldn't matter. Sorry, doesn't work like that. | ||
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On March 13 2010 15:33 Zona wrote: I would like to call out L, nemY, and Bloodycobbler for voting for d3_crescentia. Not being allowed to abstain in votes is a huge plus for town members as votes reveal information that can be used to evaluate a player later in the game. Yet the three of you subvert that by essentially abstaining by voting for someone who has basically not participated in the game so far. Explain yourselves - why can you not commit to helping the town by leaving a paper trail of your opinion? Uh, who would I vote for, exactly? I wanted mayor and voting for BC would have pushed me farther from that, and voting for incog would have pushed me out of pardoner. BC didn't need the votes because was far in first, and I can't vote for myself. | ||
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In other news; Mafia please don't hit me toniiiiiight :3. | ||
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On March 14 2010 04:47 Iaaan wrote: I am disappointed that jeejee died, even if I can see how his vote switching was suspicious. Definitely going to be interesting to go back and look at his posts, I remember that he was very persistent at calling people out. Don't see how you can be disappointed that a green who actively tried to fuck with the town is gone via the day 1 lynch. This was probably one of the best day 1 lynches in history. | ||
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On March 14 2010 05:00 XeliN wrote: In what way did he actively try to fuck with the town? Well, he basically gutted the plan that was on the table, allowed mafia to swing under the premise of working with him and got the person with the shadiest vote list elected. Do you honestly not see how that would cause problems or require the town to use a lynch or two to clear up? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On March 11 2010 13:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Really? go look at the votes, and re-read a few posts in the last two-three pages. Its been enough to garner attention. that post for instance just goes to show. No one should be roleclaiming till after the election realistically. On March 12 2010 00:14 JeeJee wrote: What in the world.. Back up, foos. Let's step back and think. We have a bunch of people who are claiming non-townie roles running for mayor. We already have PM claims going on (what the hell?). All this is going to lead to some stupid days 2-3. L you are being quite scummy tbh right now. You have to consider the effect of having only blues run for office. It gives the mafia a list of blues, lawl. But surely you know that. Coupled with your "fun role" insinuation which is almost surely not a DT, I have to wonder what you're really doing . . . It doesn't add up, brah On March 12 2010 01:11 JeeJee wrote: wrong wrong wrong why are you voting because they claimed they are not green? That is stupid. Anyone can do that, nobody can be verified. You should vote on those that seem the least scummy/most likely to be innocent. And yes they'll likely end up blue given the format but them claiming so should not be affecting your decision Look at the plans they've proposed, look at their participation in the thread and how they respond to other's questions. I wouldn't be voting for L if I were you [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 04:07 JeeJee wrote: [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 02:21 L wrote: [quote]L you are being quite scummy tbh right now. You have to consider the effect of having only blues run for office. It gives the mafia a list of blues, lawl. But surely you know that. Coupled with your "fun role" insinuation which is almost surely not a DT, I have to wonder what you're really doing . . . It doesn't add up, brah[/quote] Not really. It seems pretty obvious that a number of the people running probably aren't blue; I didn't tell people not to run if they're green prior to after pretty much all of the competitive candidates already threw their hat in the ring; the question is whether or not they think they should push for the role after thinking about the game format. This game format is interesting because despite the fact that the offices can be confirmed, they can also be easily disposed of because of the bodyguard issues. If cobbler's a DT, I think its best for him to push. If Incog is green, I think its better for him to just step out of the race. If bill murray.. well no one cares there. If one of us are mafia, we're getting elected; Period. The question would be which of the innocents is getting in? Its also possible that no mafia get in if they decide to simply not make a run for office, which happens too. The alternative position, again, is that someone who's green can run for, say, pardoner, then have himself killed in order to get an ordered roleclaim started. I find it unlikely that anyone besides me would have the balls to do this because: 1) Ver's not in the game. 2) Showtime's not in the game 3) Judge is not in the game. The key point, however, is that medics can prevent a lot of mafia kp from getting through; If the medic protects the bgs under attack, it would take 2 full turns to break through the bodyguards, then a doublestack to kill the office member in play. That however, relies on the ability of us to focus our only medic on the BGs, which means that roleclaimed non-office blues present us with protection problems; Unless we have a bus claim to a confirmed office member, we can't really protect both extra and intra office blues. This is why I didn't want people explicitly claiming, and that's why it didn't matter if I said people shouldn't run as green: the candidacies were already in and no one had claimed at that point, so we were ironclad. If you guys think that my refusal to tell you what role I am is presents some sort of odd scumtell; you're retarded. You guys simply haven't been thinking about how to win. There's more to mafia than not have town members die; you need to develop a plan forward with the aim of winning otherwise you lose. This game has no clues, it has no list checks, it has very little kp on both teams. Its going to last for quite a while, so think ahead to days 3-4. Unlike in previous games wherein the game is basically over by then, that's simply not the case here. I personally have a plan that's almost assured to have us win. Once elected, I want a DT check thrown at me with a PM once they know my role. At that point, it should be pretty obvious what I'm trying to do from the DT's perspective and the town will have a relatively safe way to roleclaim. That said, there's a potential mafia bus driver problem, but I can get around that if I'm elected by using our bus and a few pms. I'll explain further during the night, and I'll need a few people to trust me, but if everything works out the game's pretty much won for town. [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 04:29 JeeJee wrote: [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 04:24 L wrote: [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 04:17 JeeJee wrote: [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 04:10 L wrote: [quote]it's amazing how you can write so much yet say so little[/quote] Its amazing how you can write something and convey only a complete lack of reading comprehension. [/QUOTE] oh i completely understood everything you wrote. unfortunately there just wasn't that much to it, which is what i pointed out. sorry if that was too complex of a thought process for you[/QUOTE] Once again, you write something and convey a complete lack of reading comprehension. You sir, are impressive. [/QUOTE] you're not helping your case[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 23:52 JeeJee wrote: [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 11:47 L wrote: [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 11:44 JeeJee wrote: [QUOTE]On March 12 2010 11:29 johnnyspazz wrote: [quote]Someone said that I'm running on the basis that I'm blue: I'm not.[/quote] [quote]Greens shouldn't be running for office unless they plan on losing.[/quote]i i'm a little confused here [/QUOTE] it's true he's running on the basis that he has a role that makes him want mayor and is not green he's just basically leaving open the possibility to go "lulz im a not-aligned busdriver" [/QUOTE]Did you read what I wrote about being green? I would suggest that you check the part involving someone killing themselves with the addendum that says "the only player in this game who's ballsy enough to do that is L". Am I L? Oh, looks like I am. Hence if I'm running as green, I'm going to kill myself as confirmation in the part of a larger plan. 2+2.[/QUOTE] except you're not you have explcitly stated you're running for mayor, not pardoner you've also explicitly stated anyone running for mayor as a green is doing dumb shit and wants to lose. ergo, unless you're doing dumb shit and want town to lose, you're not green[/QUOTE] Collection of Jeejee's important posts, which you should all read. Jeejee is against L the whole game, supporting incognito. The only reason L is supporting this lynch is because of how Jeejee was making things difficult for him. Your not basing your opinion on real analysis, just emotions. He didn't gut the towns plans, just yours. With BC, it looks like he never really agreed with Jeejee, and with L putting emphasis on his last minute vote changing, was pushed into lynching Jeejee. I'm a little disappointed with BC, if you actually read Jeejee's posts, it is very clear that it was not surprising at all that he vote for incognito. I'm sure the reason he waited until the end was because he expected the mafia too keep the votes on their candidate close, and that if he changed earlier, the mafia would simply switch a few of their members to their candidate. It has been said, if the mafia want their candidate to be elected, they will be elected. Uh no. I supported this lynch because he's done by far the scummiest thing of the game. Organizing a literal last minute vote swing without knowing that the people you're talking to are confirmed is a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE way to cloak a mafia push. So yeah if mafia wanted incog in, they just got him in. 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On March 14 2010 06:47 Iaaan wrote: @L I already showed that his vote change was to be expected, why would be vote for you in one thread, and go completely against you in the other? You were talking about killing Jeejee for accountability, at least take responsibility yourself for pushing a bad lynch. And BC also, why didn't you kill madnessman, he switched first and independently of jeejee, without posting reasons in the thread beforehand, or bill murray even? Jeejee was obviously the most dangerous one out of all of them, he actually pushed against people. I'm sure the mafia are glad to have him out of the way. And you say that if the mafia wanted BC or incognito in, they got them in. Well, You would have gotten in, if it hadn't been for a townie interfering, Jeejee. You could just as easily be mafia, angry at Jeejee for fighting against you, then stopping you from getting elected. @Bill murray How does you dying prove that incognito is innocent? Your just tying yourself to him because you think you might die and you want to influence the game somehow, by creating a link that doesn't exist between you and someone you blindly trust. Nah, it was a good lynch. If the guy is green and trying to setup vote swings by PM, he should die. Period. Since I know a bit more about my role than you my perspective of the situation is a bit more clear. Regardless, Bill Murray is the best lynch for tomorrow. | ||
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When I die and flip whatever I flip, you can take responsability by dying the next day (unless I die tonight, in which case kill bill murray first. | ||
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Your doing the same thing with bill murray and me that you did with Jeejee, Bill murray killed you last game, and so you want him killed. He isnt smart and just wants to live, so he bandwagons on with Jeejee to screw up the election for you. And now you want me to die if I get you killed. Seriously, keep your emotions out of the game, I thought you were a better player than that. Please read the post where I looked at his behavior. It isn't that I'm 'annoyed' at him, its the CONTENT OF HIS POSTS.Or rather, the incredibly obvious lack thereof. If you couple that with the fact that his posts use gimmicks like colouring, instead of putting actual content, then look at the post wherein he colours his name not green, but blue and green, you note interesting things. Why claim 'green/blue' over green? Clearly the intention is to say "town", which is consistent with Bill's insistence that he's pro-town, but apart from some pm work that he's got going on behind the scenes he hasn't really produced very much besides an attempt to wagon against someone who he assumed was a DT. But does anyone really want to claim 'town'? A green player would want to claim green, because lying is bad. A blue player who can't be confirmed and doesn't want to die would claim green too. Out of all the roles that I know aren't accounted for, there are none that would logically want to make that play. Ergo someone's bullshitting out of his ass. I do think that L could be mafia Good. Take responsibility for this FoS later on. A bunch of people have thought it a good idea to take shots at my credibility when I've been the only person to offer a concrete proof of my alignment via either blue abilities or volunteering to be killed. | ||
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On March 14 2010 07:24 Iaaan wrote: And also to reiterate this point, Jeejee and Bill murray together switched their votes. Jeejee had obvious reasons and is now confirmed town, bill murray simply doesn't like L or want to die. Madnessman, The other guy who switched his votes, was independent of this, and I don't see why he switched his vote from what he has posted so far. This is the only switched vote that is suspicious, it would be useless to lynch Bill, and it was useless to lynch Jeejee. It was useless to lynch people who are pulling scummy shit? Wrong. If they're town, they now know they can't do shit like that in the future and get away with it. If they're mafia they get killed. Bill is the next up to the plate. Period. | ||
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Your doing the same thing with bill murray and me Wait wait wait, with you? Seeing as I haven't typed your name once this entire game in my recollection... How do you figure? | ||
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On March 14 2010 08:46 Bill Murray wrote: also, L, I have said I'm green. I was sort of interested in not giving it away at first, but I realized that it was fairly obvious, and since I had pm'ed BC telling him something like "i hope i'm not the miller", i figured i'd rather tell everyone than let someone like vivi repeat my entire PM to the thread for me. i feel like lynching me would be a waste. i am not really hurting the town at all, and the only way that i could have possibly hurt the town at all is if incognito is red, and you are blue. i do not know if this is the case, and if it is, i am sorry for my mistake. You were interested in hiding that you were a green? So you admit you were intentionally trying to mislead people when you tried to frame yourself as blue? Why did you even run for mayor as a green? None of this adds up unless you're 1) terrible or 2) trying to fuck with the town. That 'I could only hurt town is incog was red and you're blue' is also bullshit. Depending on the roles we have, putting me out vs having incog in could be HUGE. Which it is. Because I can't claim now. Which fucks up the plan we had. Lets look at this post of yours: L is elected Bill Murray gets lynched the town loses an active poster I implore you all to consider voting for BloodyC0bbler. I don't mind L becoming pardoner. I actually don't believe L is red this game. It's just really fishy that he's implied he's a dt, implied he's a bus driver, and implied that he's a green on a suicide mission to discover the mafia. I hope he's any of these, as long as he isn't red, but I'd be hoping for it more if he wasn't after my head. Other than his wanting to kill me, I'll explain why it is best to not vote for him in layman's terms. He is a loose cannon. When you get a player like BC or Incognito, even d3_crescentia, you get someone who is analytical and normal. They will react coolly to nearly any situation. L is obviously not as cool acting as he would have you believe. He holds grudges, he rages over actions, and he has been acting scummy regardless of whether or not he is red which has been detrimental to the town. If elected, would I lynch L? ____ no. He is too valuable to lynch if he really IS something like the bus driver. I would be much more apt to go for someone who is going to be modkilled anyways if that is possible. There is a higher percentage of town vs mafia, and thus a higher propensity of picking a town member than a mafia member in a stupid day 1 lynch where you have literally no information of any substance, weight, or value. Do the right thing, vote for BloodyC0bbler or Incognito. Don't vote for someone who changes their mind like L. First off, you run under the auspice that you might be blue. Not green. Look at your name here. So you lied then or are lying now. Second: You think I'm not red, yet you decide to wagon against me. Third: You claim that "I change my mind" whereas I've not changed my mind a single time. I've ALWAYS supported killing you. I'm STILL saying lynching JeeJee was fine (although I'd have preferred you). I didn't change my vote. The people you voted with changed their votes chronically, yet you don't have suspicions about them. More importantly, here you admit that sheer probability makes it hard to hit someone red on day 1, yet since day 2 you've heavily implied that jeejee flipping green makes me red. Bullshit. | ||
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On March 14 2010 09:00 citi.zen wrote: Weak defense L. Feeling guilty about something other than the jeejee lynching? After all, BC decidedthat one alone. As far as I can tell you were still advocating killing BM. It's not like jeejee got hit at night 1) Nah, i said JeeJee should also be a target. Woulda preferred BM, but oh well. 2) If your team hits me, you're probably going to lose the game for your team. So tell them to hit someone else. I probably have a medic on me anyways. | ||
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On March 14 2010 09:02 Iaaan wrote: I guess thats not quite the same thing... but.... My main point of all that is that, as dumb as bill murray is, his vote switch and jeejees vote switches were connected, and bill's main reason seems like it was simply because he doesnt like you. Maybe he is red and was taking advantage of Jeejee's PM. Probably not. Bill may be acting scummy, but he is also acting the same way he has every game. Madnessman's vote switch wasn't connected to theirs, if vote switches are suspicious, then he is suspicious, he wasn't following anyone that we've seen so far. I'm going to wait to see the day post until I say anything more. Not even remotely the same thing. I'm saying feel free to take responsibility for the FoS. Madnessman cried to me in PMs going "IM SORRY I FUCKED UP ETC" and I can't really tell if its genuine, because Chez did the same thing 2 games ago, then I got bussed, then I died. Pretty much the exact same thing. So I can't really tell if he's legit or not, but emotional responses of that type tend to be good, so for now I don't think madnessman is evil. Could be, but I dunno. BM, on the other hand, has contributed ZERO to the game except a smear campaign against me. I offered a plan. His plan was to fuck with mine. Frankly I don't see how you can equate the two in terms of pro-town contributions. | ||
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On March 14 2010 09:06 citi.zen wrote: My team? Are you now saying I should be lynched? For clarity. Nah, I just think you're mafia and I dont' want to die. But if you do kill me, I'll be confirmed as town and a few things we've got going on behind the scenes will make you rather unhappy . | ||
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On March 14 2010 09:16 Bill Murray wrote: Perhaps my being "not pro town" is because I have someone busting my balls trying to get me killed every single page of this thread? I have also at least kept my archives relatively up to date, attempted to put some heat on people which led to madnessman acting scummy as fuck, and have been active in my posting, probably posting more content than anyone in terms of the amount. Lol wait, so now you're trying to redirect attention to me and a co-vote swinger? Trying to talk about the fact that you're scummy as fuck 'creates chaos'? No it doesn't. I specifically didn't talk about killing you for the majority of the first day. I didn't even bother trying. I even told you if you wanted to put together a better profile on someone else that wasn't based on me being scum (and therefore agreeing with me = scummy behavior) I said I'd look at it. So how exactly was I busting your balls, and why is me busting your balls so terrible that it prevents you from doing pro-town work? Oh. It doesn't. | ||
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On March 14 2010 09:19 Foolishness wrote: Someone called? NOBODY CARES! Of all the voting that took place, madnessman had the most fishy outcome. He changed his vote 3 times I think (including the time after day ended), making citi.zen's voting pattern look normal. He also tried to change at the last minute to offset the amount of votes going on Incognito. Definitely something strange going on there. While the swing on Incog is fishy as well, JeeJee turning up innocent probably indicates this was not mafia related. Oh, you noticed citi.zen's voting pattern too. Good show. That would be the reason for my suspicion of him, as exemplified in the last two pages. | ||
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On March 14 2010 11:21 Ace wrote: someone actually killed Vivi Night 1? ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha I know right? | ||
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L, what makes you think Bill Murray is mafia? Read the thread. Also: Why would you give it weight? Because unlike in the last game, where I all but claimed Gambino in the thread when Gambino were down, I'm town. If I'm not, there aren't ulterior concerns like keeping the mafia families equal which would motivate us to not kill me. So, put in another way, what's stopping town from accepting my offer on day 3? Pretty much nothing. | ||
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On March 14 2010 15:33 tree.hugger wrote: I have. I'm not convinced. I'm asking if you have another argument. The guy participates in a vote swing, posts no content, goes from townie posting stupid 1 liners to posting incriminatory blocks of text. I don't see how he's even remotely unsuspicious to anyone. I can't wrap my head around the fact that every objective piece of behavior bill has given us is 100% mafia tells, yet he has an ardent bunch of semi-defenders who claim to be on the fence but don't really decide to push anyone. That reeks so hard of scum, its unreal. The fact that I even need to restate the case makes me wonder what's going on here. If abenson is mafia for the third game in a row, i'd be surprised, but whatever. I don't think we learn very much by killing him if he flips green. | ||
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On March 14 2010 16:28 Incognito wrote: Why do you think the mafia are offing that list though? Seems like a bad idea unless they know all of these people are inno? Otherwise they're just exposing themselves. Low activity posters that aren't mafia are often blue. Vivi and Fulgrim posted very little during the first day and didn't really try to make themselves the center of attention. If mafia has a role they want dead right now, its the medic and bus driver. Once one of those are dead, they can start chopping away at the BG block and kill our DT. After the DT/medic die, the mafia 'clock' stops ticking, because the amount of confirmed townies stops growing and the chance that goons get outed starts going up. Given the low kp/round, the game is likely to go on for a while, which means that the effects of the medic, driver and DT are incredibly amplified. | ||
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On March 15 2010 01:07 Bill Murray wrote: It's possible the mafia felt L would be medic protected. More like L knew he was going to be bus driven because we even made it clear in the thread that we had the driver claim to us. As for tomorrow night, I have no idea, I'd rather the driver save his drivin' juice and have the medic focused on the BGs. If the mafia kill me, they'll be proving me legit, which will make a lot of the zero content L-haters on mafia look bad. Either way, the best target for killing tonight is still bill murray. One does not simply walk into vote swings. | ||
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On March 15 2010 02:51 citi.zen wrote: More nonsense. For clarity L: you are saying you are NOT the bus driver, right? And not green, and not the DT? Also, the unconfirmable/uncheckable bus driver claimed to you and protected you night one? Why would they TELL you, when you are acting so irrationally? And where did you explicitly say this in the thread, to deter the mafia L? I told you I'm not claiming. So stop asking for semi-claims. Its not going to happen. I know your team really wants to know what I am before risking hits on a potential medic protected target, but frankly I don't care. Why did the bus driver claim to me? Well, here's you're assuming he claimed to me rather than someone in my circle; Mistake. Why would they tell me? Well, because we didn't want a mafia bus driver redirecting a check. So in redirecting a DT check (which is what happened last night) we confirmed 3 blues. Well, not 100% quite yet, hence why this is a premature statement. As for me acting irrationally, its pretty clear that you're just not reading. I'm acting perfectly rationally. I've picked and sticked with the same targets instead of swapping my votes around like you. I proposed a plan for the town and did my best to get it to work (and believe it or not, its still proceeding in a limited fashion (as per the above statement). Maybe you think I'm irrational for not telling mafia what role I am, but that's in and of itself irrational. You only make a claim if there's a reason to do it. Frankly, giving mafia a 100% lock on a role to bolster my credibility isn't worth it. Maybe you think I'm irrational for calling people out and sticking to my guns. Lol sry. My bad. I guess I should let mafia dominate the town discussion and propose lynch targets. And where did I say it? Why don't you read the thread? I'm not your nanny. Every second post of mine is replied to with your style of "OH SO ARE YOU SAYING X??!!?" when I've explicitly stated the opposite. Its getting pretty tiring. If you're town, you wouldn't have a reason to intentionally twist statements repeatedly, so please don't make the same mistake in the future. I can understand you making it repeatedly until now because you're a rather rage filled player (as evidenced by your reaction when we didn't make you GF when we were last mafia together: you stopped talking to our team and basically got yourself killed), but please don't dig yourself any deeper by using the same mistake repeatedly. Regardless of all of the above, its pretty obvious people are trying to throw heat on me to dodge a discussion surrounding who we should lynch so that mafia can bus away from their targets more readily. I'm still 100% for lynching bill murray for the reasons I've posted repeatedly; Bill is not playing the same style that he posts when he's town, the vast majority of his posts are now either 1) Shitflinging against me. 2) Shitflinging against people who don't disagree with me. 3) Drunken retard banter. Sadly that does not a pro-town player make. His voting record is fishy. His behaviour is fishy. I don't really see how abenson merits a hit over him. That said, if we aren't going to kill Bill Murray, I will be intensely unhappy at the gullibility of this town. | ||
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On March 15 2010 04:15 citi.zen wrote: You're right: everyone has problems reading other than you, of course - hence you quickly detected my "voting pattern". Oh wait, now it's not the "voting pattern" (what happened to that theory by the way - have you moved on?) that bothers you about me, it's the "rage": I moved on a long time ago. Did I attack you last game at all? No, because you weren't acting scummy and made some sense. + Show Spoiler + The GF decision 2 games ago did not bother me because I was not chosen. It bothered me because it was changed last minute, without consulting the rest of the team. After it happened I tried to understand why we weren't talking to each other and never stopped talking to the team: some of you just refused to used anything other than IRC, even though we had a message board set-up and I repeatedly reached out to many of you in PMs. The very night before I was killed I even sent you this message: To: L [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Plan Date: 2/21/10 12:27 This is where I think we stand: Ver has a lot of info. He most likely knows I am Gambino. He has been very cold in PMs and clearly does not trust me. He may also have info on others as well, and is saving a few "sure hits" until the end / to keep balance between the mafias as needed, perhaps using 2x lynches. We must act immediately, while we still have high KP, to kill Ver. This is our only chance to keep the town from winning. We need to do this with the help of the other mafia family. Going after him alone is madness. I propose I contact QS and propose EACH family use TWO hits on Ver next night. The S family should like this, since it basically gives me away AND gets them rid of Ver. At the very least we gain some time while the town is less organized. Is this crazy? Is there another way I am not seeing? Note that at that point QS was DT confirmed to be in the other mafia family. You turned that offer down, I got killed by the other mafia anyway and you used 2 hits on Ver by yourself. We lost the game. Bad communication you say? You still aren't making any sense L. But that's OK, it will all get sorted out sooner or later. It should comfort you to hear that I am done talking about you for now. Still angry because we didn't make you GF I see. The majority of people can read just fine, hence why the town now has a group of confirmed members that will be growing as time goes by. By contrast, Its been a very select group of people intentionally misreading things, and interestingly enough none of them are present in the group of confirmed or confirm-able blues. Some of them might be townspeople who are being egged on in pms by mafia goons, but some of them are undoubtedly scum. Its one thing to criticize me. Its another to base your criticism on second hand regurgitations of what I've said. | ||
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On March 15 2010 07:26 Abenson wrote: From what I've seen so far, I think that: I think that the most important part is to have the dt's post their results. I know that this is risky, but I think it's extremely important that we get information from the dt's. Nah. | ||
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On March 15 2010 10:57 ~OpZ~ wrote: omg, I respond and foolishness accuses.....and BC vanishes after some crappy responses to me....Seriously, PROVOKE ME AGAIN, I want to post, but I don't want to quadruple post. Shit, Ace would of kept the accusations rolling right along, provoking me, until someone else came along. Seriously, get out of PM land, and speak a little in the thread, we all aren't privy to that side of the world guys, and it is really sapping the fun from this game. Oh, so if you have information about who is blue and who isn't you should vomit that out and essentially tell mafia who to hit? Nah. If you want to post, feel free to analyse some of the more afk people, because the fact that they aren't being called out and the low post volume in the thread indicates that mafia is happy with what's currently going on. I still get the most pushback from BM, so I still think he's the best target. You, however, can propose someone else. Bring old posts of theirs, build context, show how it fits or doesn't fit patterns from prior games. You kinda feel like defending yourself is a pro-town action, and you're stating that you'd rather do that than produce real work: ok. That makes you lazy like the majority of the town and pretty much all of the mafia. Generally shit like what JeeJee did shouldn't be in PMs. Co-ordinating blues, however, by NECESSITY, has to be. | ||
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On March 16 2010 06:07 Versatile wrote: umm, i've already voted, asswipe. I wanted to see if you were around. Look at that. You are. | ||
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On March 16 2010 08:20 Zona wrote: L you are definitely not being helpful to the town. Unless you're trying to set up an elaborate trap of the sorts that usually don't succeed, your lack of clarity is not helping the town. The town benefits from clarity - when players (both mafia and town) post their opinions and thoughts in a solid, clear manner. Their accusations and plans can later be examined to see if they were knowingly trying to protect mafia or advance the mafia's goals. Your posting is not clear and you are constantly denying that you held various opinions, as players try to interpret your posts. And you do not clearly stating what your actual positions are in return (beyond "lynch BM"). Furthermore, your vendetta against BM doesn't seem useful. You have indeed posted a few in-game reasons in favor for his lynch for it, but beyond your "case" have expressed your desire to lynch him out of animosity or reasons beyond how BM has performed in this game. Why this is unhelpful is that if BM is lynched and he turns out green, I suspect you will wash your hands of your position by falling back on "I didn't like how he played, even if he was townie" or something along those lines. I don't really give a shit what you think, tbh. Having blues claim in the open when there's no reason to believe them is a fucking dumb idea. And it isn't a vendetta. I decided to push at him pre-game because he's the type of player that does dumb shit and I wanted to see how he reacted when faced with actual scrutiny. He responded with a litany of mafia tells which is pretty much exactly what I expected. I've had three huge posts outlining exactly why BM is playing a classic "don't step on me" defense while adding very little to the town, yet people seem content to ignore it based on the fact that he had a few goons try to take a drive by against my reputation by saying that refusing to roleclaim was 'chaos inducing'. Are you serious? My positions are pretty fucking clear cut in my posts. The people who decide to pm me based on what I've written seem to get the picture, so why is it that the only people expressing doubts are unconfirmed 'town' members? I haven't tried to clear stuff up? Are you joking? I've spent no less than 15 posts doing exactly that. "Did you claim x?" "No, I'm not going to claim anything till I'm in office" "Did you claim y?" "I just told you no" "Did you claim Z?!" "You must be kidding" Perhaps you forgot that? I guess that would be hard for you because you were one of the main people doing it. And as for me washing my hands clean, didn't I offer Citi.zen the opportunity to kill me if BM flipped green? I'll restate that: Kill BM today, have him flip green, and I'll let you guys off me without a single word of protest and you can quote this post and everything. Every single factual statement you made in this post is wrong. Why? | ||
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On March 16 2010 08:59 citi.zen wrote: Who cares what BM is? There is no way it can "prove" jack about L. Also, thanks for the geneorus "offer" - as if I can enforce anything by myself - rolf. I'd kinda like to kill a mafia member, so I care if he's red. You should probably care too if you want to think about who's mafia and who isn't. | ||
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Hi, do you still feel the same way about madnessman? First, volunteering to be killed is a gambit that can be played by both town and mafia members. And I must have missed where you used your blue abilities to prove your alignment. Mang, good quoting skills. 1) He PM'd me afterwards, like I said in the thread and made an emotional "OH FUCK I SCREWED UP SORRY (((((((((((((((((((((((" post. Generally, I've found these scummy in the past, but Ver's a better player than I am when it comes to looking at individuals and thinks this is a typical town reaction to a bad situation. Given that a policy lynch on being a douchebag vote swinger could go to BM or MM, I'd rather it goes to BM, hence my vote. Which is going to stay there. 2) You don't volunteer to be killed if you're also asking for a rolecheck unless you've got balls the size of texas and feel like sacrificing the GF for potentially no reward. If I'm GF I'd be pulling a plan so fucking crazy that its never been done before. Additionally, there are pretty much zero people who have bothered to step up to defend me day 2, and no one's voting with me. Taken together, you can see that all things put together I'm pretty much the most legit shit in this game. By far. Versatile, you're spamming posts after being called out. Next time produce from the start. | ||
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On March 16 2010 09:52 citi.zen wrote: Nice attempt to distract, but it fails, again. Let me explain it slower: of course we care what BM is (duh - what a non-starter); however, Bill's color proves nothing about you, so the "offer" to be killed if Bill is not red is yet more nonsense from you. If Bill is Red, any of the following could be true: 1. You're red too, trying to gain credibility. I've seen you play as mafia and turning in other mafia to gain credibility. It failed, by the way. Bonus quote (hi!): 2. You are not red. Then you either took a lucky guess (in which case you'd say "oops!"), or you are speaking for a DT who role-checked him. In this case I question the DT's choice of 1st night check (lord help us), and wonder why you did not in fact state this in the thread, or use someone else to speak it for you. Because really, you have not made anything resembling a strong case against Bill thus far. You build much of "reputation" on "holding people accountable", yet in this game all you have done is try to cover up nonsense with more nonsense. I don't care that you are doing it on purpose, it is not helping the town. So you're saying that I'm covering up nonsense by trying to kill someone who clearly fucked our day 1 votes up? Ok. That's the end of me listening to you, goon. | ||
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On March 16 2010 09:55 Bill Murray wrote: fucked our day 1 votes up? excuse me if i don't want to help the person who wants to kill me. Because I'd be killing you as pardoner, right? Ok. You threw the deciding vote. | ||
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On March 16 2010 10:01 citi.zen wrote: Surprise, you're at it again - I call nonsense! Pay attention: my post is not about who you are trying to kill, or whether Bill fucked up. It is about the fact that Bill's color proves nothing about yours. That is the one part you consistently ignore and just talk nonsense about other shit. Like I said, play as you wish, but this ain't helping. I don't care what his colour proves about mine. I never said I'd be confirmed if he flipped, or mafia if he didn't. So why are you trying to put words in my mouth? Ah, lol, there I go again, talking to the goon. My bad. I hope your team made you GF this game because that would make my job easier. | ||
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On March 16 2010 10:11 Bill Murray wrote: L is obviously not speaking the truth... he's claiming he thinks i'm red. that is an obvious lie. he just wants me killed. Lol goon #2. In other news, can someone point me to the post wherein flamewheel says in all likelihood there will only be 1 blue role each? | ||
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On March 16 2010 10:19 citi.zen wrote: ROLF - you are casually calling me red again? You never explained how my "voting pattern" made me look red last time by the way. Please delight us with your brilliance, great L.+ Show Spoiler + I'm not interested in your ad-hominem attacks and name calling. This wasn't casual. You realize I called you a goon the last few times, right? Ie, vanilla mafia? Good lord you're bad. | ||
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On March 16 2010 11:02 Bill Murray wrote: I feel like you've been acting a lot scummier than I have, zona. I am all but confirmed green at this point, as I was very outspoken against Malongo. That's not how it works. | ||
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Lets look at that brief period of pre lynch spam: Bill murray spams prior to the lynch: If malongo is red his team are going to be raging i hope malongo is red... i felt like he was... but i'm not usually good at telling Why would someone taunt like that? Well, its pretty easy to figure out. Bill is trying to distance himself from Malongo. But its not just that, lets look here: Malogo is inactive, that is all. It's not a "tell" - he can do far better if he is mafia trying to actually play the game. He didn't even try to blend in, he just fell off the radar. It's blind luck now if he is red, not skill on our part. Citizen posts something decent. GJ. BM replies: well, citi.zen, you don't know how many people i pm'ed saying i suspected malongo.... want me to retrieve them? Prior to Malongo even dying, BM is trying to play up his 'i wanted to kill him' status. Why? Lets look at the votelist: Here's the vote slightly before the end: Abenson Votes: 7 BloodyC0bbler (x3) Fishball d3_crescentia Foolishness madnessman johnnyspazz XeliN citi.zen Malongo Votes: 6 Incognito BloodyC0bbler (x3) Bill Murray ~OpZ~ Not so terrible, but abenson's gonna die over malongo. If anyone's going to die, Mafia would MUUUUUUUUCH rather abenson than no one. Bill, shortly thereafter abandons the Malongo train. Hopping onto me. nemY follows suit. Bill then decides to fuck around and throw a vote on nemY. That shit don't make sense. Cynan and Sidesprang vote Malongo and Iaaan votes against sidesprang. Ok. So Cynan and sidesprang are probably legit. At this point, votes are tied with Abenson going to be killed. Zona throws a vote on Abenson, pushing him to 9. Abenson Votes: 9 BloodyC0bbler (x3) Fishball d3_crescentia Foolishness madnessman johnnyspazz XeliN citi.zen tree.hugger Zona Malongo Votes: 8 Incognito BloodyC0bbler (x3) Bill Murray ~OpZ~ Abenson CynanMachae sidesprang Zona has just pushed abenson over the top. Is he mafia or just wanted another lynch? I dunno. But then shit goes crazy: Spazz, who's on Abenson, switches to Malongo, putting it to 9-8 in Malongo lynch territory. Spazz looks legit here. This is a bad outcome for mafia because they know Malongo's afk and they're trying to net a free kill. But then bill switches back to Abenson (9-9) and johnny throws the final vote off the malongo train onto bill on bill's insistence (9-8 Abenson). Once again, these last shifts happen LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES before the deadline. Basically, what do we have here? Its bill murray fucking with our votes again to get an innocent killed. But not only does he fuck with votes, he asks for roleclaims and tries to bolster his credibility before malongo even dies? Are you serious? How could he know malongo would flip red? Why would he, even before the flip, start building this 'i'm green' campaign? | ||
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On March 16 2010 12:35 flamewheel91 wrote: Yes sir, upon death bus the alignment of the bus driver will be revealed. + Show Spoiler + Sí, señor, tras la muerte de la alineación del conductor del autobús será revelado. Oh good. | ||
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On March 16 2010 13:15 johnnyspazz wrote: I partially agree, but you can't deny that from the mafia perspective getting the hit on Abenson would have been a bonus. i think my decision to let two pretty inactive players die instead of just one wasn't that bad | ||
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On March 16 2010 14:01 CynanMachae wrote: The thing is that from both perspectives it was better to get both Malongo/Abenson Mafia get a freekill on a townie, town get a double lynch on two players that were highly suspected I was also considering switching to Abenson if Malongo was too get lynched + modkilled too. I got screwed up thinking the day would end at 10 EST but anyway it went ok Not entirely. While it may have seemed fine if there was a clear push towards abenson that doesn't explain why BM would be switching votes, taunting and trying to build credibility off Malongo's redness prior to the actual lynch. The killing of abenson might have saved us some grief later because he was the miller, but trying to game the vote system twice in a row is pretty rock solid proof the kid is mafia. So its irrelevant if townies were okay with it; its the mafia reaction to the lynch that matters. Once they realize malongo is going to die, its a simple matter to try and build credibility by pretending to bus him. BM voted abenson, claims he was the key in killing malongo (when it was BC who pushed for him out of the blue), and fucks with the vote and kills an innocent. But no town member can 'call dibs' on the kill on malongo as such because of exactly what citi.zen said: the guy fucking killed himself. If anything it was BC and Incog's push that sealed the deal, which makes me think both are pretty cool dudes. | ||
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On March 17 2010 02:23 Bill Murray wrote: L has wanted me killed this whole game. Also, how can me accusing someone of being red, and them ending up as red, make me look red? If I was red, I would want to win. I am a competitive fuck. There's no way in fucking hell I would accuse someone from my own team. You all are really dumb if you think I'm red. You didn't do much more than distance yourself from Malongo. You only started to play up your opposition towards him when you knew he'd die because he wasn't showing up in your IRC channel or responding to PMs. Your defense here is so poor its pretty hilarious. You start with the admission that you'd think you're red if you weren't you; Well, then you probably should recognize that you should probably die for that. In future games don't paint yourself red by fucking with the votes two days in a row.I think the best part is wherein you ask me to die after you die as an attempt to dissuade me; Buddy, I already made that deal. I'm already good for it. If you ARE town, use the time that's remaining to analyse people who aren't me, because if you die and flip town, I'll die the next day as per the above agreement. When you flip town, people can refer back and go "ok legit townie suspicions". If your analysis is garbage, however, mafia's probably going to take it and run with it, so try to make it good. Even your PMs are scummy as fuck. You straight up say "HEY IM TOWN BELIEVE ME AND TELL ME SHIT". | ||
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On March 17 2010 02:59 Versatile wrote: incog, you're so sweet to think of me when you're PMing other players too! you loooooooooooooove me, you wanna kisssssssssssss me, you wanna huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuug me a la gracie lou freebush. Start posting content please. Thx, L | ||
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On March 17 2010 07:17 XeliN wrote: If your going to persist with this L then someone ought to DT check Bill, if he returns a town role then you ought to be lynched, unless part of your suspicion is that he could also be the godfather. After how hard I pre-gamed him, I wouldn't be surprised if his strategy was to try to get DT checked as green then push against me. BM has asked for DT checks in the past. If he's green, he wouldn't be asking for checks. Period. XeliN, if BM flips red you're probably going to need to answer for this. Thanks. | ||
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Dude, you're crazy. I'm trying to defend my name against an idiotic lynch. By admitting that if you were anyone else that you'd lynch you? Lol, okay. Nice defense. Feel free to have your team not hit me tonight because I'm going to open up the shit floodgates on you kids tomorrow. In other news, Iaaan please contact me. I want to survive the night so gimme a ring. | ||
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On March 17 2010 08:09 Bill Murray wrote: If you all want to have me pulling a t_co go ahead and kill me. it happens every game i've ever been in. i suppose it is unjust to want and jealously crave survival when i really have nothing i can contribute to the town. i would rather you all lynch me than someone who is actually blue. Do you even see what you just quoted? You're our next lynch target unless our DTs find a red. Period. There's not even a shred of debate at this point. | ||
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Second, those 2 DT checks? They were bus driven off sidespring onto me. Both DTs got my role back as Mad Hatter, which is what I am. One DT i know about via incog. He doesn't trust me and didn't want to claim despite the fact that I'm a fucking hatter and therefore act as the perfect mouth for him. The second PM'd me directly early in day 1 and we set up the bus driver shunt on purpose to have me rolechecked on day 1 as per the plan I set out. Third, I need DTs to PM me the results of their rolechecks. Or, DT #2, if you don't believe me, PM it to the guy you normally talk to, and then guy you normally talk to PM me. Fourth, Iaaan has been shitting around in PMs and claiming that he's the mafia bus driver. I've heard this from two people. He just told me he's townie, so I'd like him to fucking explain himself. Fifth. No medic protection on the BGs? Musta been on me. If you trust me, give me a PM. If you don't, don't. The protections for tomorrow should be pretty obvious anyways. I just want to make sure you don't protect the bus drivin' target (which we're probably going to use tonight). Here's the thing; That "I'll trade my life for this lynch on Bill Murray" thing? That was specifically because I'd blow up another 2 people that i think are mafia, and thus I think town will not waste the lynch even if they use it on me. Recap: Lols. | ||
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On March 17 2010 11:29 citi.zen wrote: Pretty good and straight forward thus far. One question for you: was the one DT you know of BC? Keep in ind that the mafia already knwos if he is red or not, so this answer simply brings clarity to the town. Question for Incognito: how did the "2nd DT" come to trust you on night one, if they were not able to role-check you? Its irrelevant who the DTs are to you. Sorry, but that's the truth. A number of people have confirmed themselves by various methods, but I'm not about to openly TELL mafia who they should be hitting and those that aren't worth the time. I can, however, tell you that there are a few traps set up with regards to a few claims. To the rest of the town; Please stop fucking asking. You don't want this information public. The people that are confirmed are going to stay underwraps because getting picked off at an equal rate to the speed that DTs can check them is pretty shit. | ||
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On March 17 2010 12:20 citi.zen wrote: Nobody asked you to reveal any information about private claims (yet). My question is specific about BC - a very different matter: not telling the town whether or not BC is a DT does not protect him. BC is either lying or he is not. If he is telling the truth, he is a mafia target right now - the mafia does not need you confirmation, they already know he isn't one of them and there are no more bodyguards. If anything, it helps the medics. If he is lying, he is most likely red and should be lynched.' Yeah, you asked me to reveal information about a claim. I told you I'm not telling you fuck all. I know 'who is most likely red and should be lynched'. This isn't my first game. If BC is attempting a gambit and I'm not railing on him, then that means that I can confirm him within a short timespan. So calm down. | ||
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On March 17 2010 12:41 Incognito wrote: Nop given the BG situation its time for a power play. Time to get this game wrapped up. Well, I'm still not 100% sure that you're not mafia bus, and it seems like you talk to way too many people in pms given the amount of link backs I'm getting to you from random ass people. That said, I'd like the other bus driver to give me a shout. I know who you are. If you've been lying in PMs about being a driver, you're a moran. | ||
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On March 17 2010 13:05 Versatile wrote: as far as inactive mafia, I10f and d3 are good targets, imo. as for active mafia, I'd say you, and to top it off I'd probably put foolishness as the GF. DTs plz pm your night 2 checks to me. or to someone you trust who will then pm me. | ||
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Focus on important matters; If you trust me, Its claim time. DTs: Night check information from night 2 please. Bus Drivers and Medics: I can understand you guys being afraid, so I won't be dropping the hateraid on you if you don't claim, but we need to co-ordinate protection for the next night. Its REALLY FUCKING IMPORTANT. So give me a shout if you think I'm legit, which you probably should if you've read this thread for long enough. | ||
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On March 17 2010 13:22 citi.zen wrote: L, how about this: lynch me today. If I turn red... good riddance, you get to move on. If I turn blue, the town the uses the 2x lynch on you and Incognito. He is the un-confirmable bus driver who already used his powers anyway, and you supposedly wanted to be blown up anyway to kill your great targets and help the town. I don't mind being lynched one bit if it helps the town confirm both of you. On your end, this is the 3rd time you call me red. Back your shit up and vote for my lynching. Citi.zen, how about this: We lynch BM today. If he dies and flips green I'll put a bomb on you and when I die you'll die regardless. K? K. Thanks. | ||
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On March 17 2010 14:44 Bill Murray wrote: What information do you have on me? Produce it, because that shit will roll right off of me. Kinda irrelevant. You're going to die unless you take the ticket we gave you a few days ago. Instead of producing content you're spamming. On the plus side, you flipping red gives us an easy roadmap to all your allies, including that cute GF of yours. | ||
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GET TO WORK FOR TOWN OR YOU DIE. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK, STUPID HEAD. | ||
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When you produce some content, sure. I'm not bothering to reply to any of your stupidity from hereon until you do that. You aren't dragging this thread to shittown unless you give me some beef to use against your friends when you die. | ||
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On March 18 2010 06:40 Ace wrote: I told her posting like that someone would call it out! I said the same thing ^_^ @citizen: I argue with L because he's usually hilariously wrong. Check my track record ^_^ FALSITIES. ^_^. | ||
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On March 18 2010 08:26 Foolishness wrote: If Qatol didn't have to play with you in games I'm sure he'd play everytime. I've skipped quite a few games. He seems to be lazy because of law school. Pfft. Like you do any work there. But... Seeing as you've been called out repeatedly in the last few page, it is very interesting to see this as your return. | ||
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On March 18 2010 08:26 Foolishness wrote: Pretty sure Incog proved his two bus shunts in his post where he explained everything. At the very least he proved he used one. If he's mafia, why would he waste away using his drives all for the benefit of the town? If he's mafia, the only useful thing he can do now is vote (and possibly cause town chaos but that's very unlikely). BM, if nothing you say will convince the town that you're green than there's definitely nothing I can say that will convince them either At the very least, we have a coordinated town with two DT checks coming up (assuming they don't die) and a mad hatter with hopefully smart bombs placed (and who's hopefully not a GF). Even if BM turns up green there shouldn't be a problem wrapping things up in subsequent days. Although I'm sure going to have a field day defending myself if BM turns up red. Why would he waste 2 shunts? To gain information regarding the medics, dts, and such. Who am I having protected tonight? Who am I bussing? If he is in contact with mafia they'll know and they can act accordingly. Once our medics are killed and our drivers are out of drivin' juice, both our DTs will die shortly thereafter. Once that happens, our circle stops growing and the 'clock' essentially stops. If we've checked a GF, we're in even more of a pinch. Either way, you aren't stupid. You knew this. It was explicitly stated by someone else earlier. Why would you advocate protecting incog over a fucking CONFIRMED DT if incog is essentially a town leaning green who can't be confirmed at this point? That's not to hate on him; he's played well and if he's town aligned high five to him. Its just that we have more important treasures to safeguard from red hands. | ||
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On March 18 2010 09:14 Foolishness wrote: Yes, I can see your concern with this. But if he's mafia, the mafia loses more than the town does. Okay, say Incog is mafia and has access to all this information. He doesn't have any drives anymore. Mafia has to waste hits to kill the medics BEFORE they can get the DTs. That's two (or one I guess in worst case scenario such as they stack hits) more checks to confirm innocents or find the mafia before the DTs actually die. Plus, who's to say that Incog knows the medics? I would assume BC does at this point, but he doesn't have to share that. If BC has the medic coordinated Incog's knowledge is next to useless. The only thing Incog can provide is another vote for mafia. And hey, there have been two confirmed switches so far. If Incog is mafia bus driver, we got another bus driver to utilize, who probably has at least one more switch. Not to mention you have bombs. There's probably a vigilante/veteran around. And you seem to have misunderstood, I did not say I advocate protecting incog over BC. No way. It's going to be the third night. If mafia have to stack hits on the third night that's a good sign for the town. Not to mention there's already a clear idea on who the mafia are based on inactivity/useless posting. Yeah that probably includes me to an extent. But there are also quite a few people who we can safely rule out as being mafia because of their activity (at least in my opinion). Even if it comes down to the fact that we don't have DTs, it's not going to be game over right away. It's only the third day: we have double lynches, we have targets, all the blues are alive minus the bodyguards, and one mafia is already dead. You make the situation seem really grim if Incog is mafia bus driver. It isn't. Sorry, but that's bullshit. 1) Mafia wouldn't know who the second DT is. 2) Mafia wouldn't know who the medics are. 3) Mafia wouldn't know who my bombs are on. Etc. Taking a single turn to net TWO MEDIC KILLS is not a small thing. Nor is following that up with TWO DT KILLS. the alternative is that mafia guess who the DT and medics are and channel a hit per night using the driver. 2 DTs dead with unknown medics vs a full list of blues + medics dead + DTs dead shortly thereafter. You're essentially saying that a single extra day is worth losing all our blues. WRONG. If Incog is pardoner, he might have moved for the double lynch to use the pardoner ability and stop both. I'm not saying we need to kill Incog; he's probably legit. He just isn't getting medic protection over DTs. Sorry. | ||
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On March 18 2010 11:07 johnnyspazz wrote: well darn so does the big 3 have anything to enlighten the townies? are nemy, iaaan, tree.hugger all mafia? Sure why not. | ||
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XeliN, I really fucking hope you're the vig, because if you claimed anything else people are probably going to need to die for it. | ||
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On March 19 2010 04:06 Bill Murray wrote: Ive painted multiple people red, you're not the only one. I've put heat on about 6 people. Malongo, ~OpZ~, MadnessMan, you, l10f, Fulgrim... I'm suspicious of citi.zen, incognito, bloodyc0bbler, foolishness a lot. I'm suspicious of Versatile, Madnessman, XeliN, d3_crescentia, but less so than the ones I named before. I know that the latter could have a few reds, but I feel like the godfather will either be you or one of the 4 i'm suspicious of. It has to be someone who is good if Malongo wasn't the Godfather. It is probably someone who ran for office... d3_crescentia had a few voters, perhaps it is him. i have nothing to provide other than speculation, though, as I haven't really seen anyone give anything up that paints them red. All we can really do is go based upon activity, and to that extent I see no reason why I am the one who is up for lynch as I am the most active person within this thread. I am trying to analyze everyone, but it is hard to convince 17 people that you're a pretty good guesser. If you all let me decide who to lynch I'm pretty sure I could pick a red. You're an intentionally horrendous guesser in the first paragraph there. If you were ACTUALLY suspicious of XeliN you'd probably tell him to stop riding your balls, but you take all the help you can get and he seems to have claimed to you. Seeing as there are probably only 2 people that I don't know about at this point in the game, I can probably tell you what role he is too. But yeah, you putting a vote on him when he's claimed to you, given the role he probably claimed is fucking hilarious. | ||
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On March 19 2010 04:51 nemY wrote: So let me get caught up to speed... right now it is BM and Foolishness vs L/Incog/BC? Not really. Its more like BM is flailing wildly to try and get people off him, but his team realized he's a waste of time. | ||
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On March 19 2010 08:35 d3_crescentia wrote: Maybe there is no vig? Considering we have 2DTs, yourself as Hatter, and (potentially) 2 Bus Drivers, it seems like quite a lot if we throw in another Medic... We have more than that. I would find it odd for them to advertise a role then have none of them. | ||
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On March 19 2010 09:36 Bill Murray wrote: well, i'll give you a heads up on what's going to happen in 25 if BloodyC0bbler doesn't decide to change his mind about this lynch: Bill Murray was betrayed by his comrades, and killed by those dirty ukrainians. or , Bill Murray, the miller, was betrayed by his comrades, and killed by those dirty ukrainians. this accounts for 100% of the possible scenarios. See, what's the point of this? If you did something like 'Hey bros, before I die, check this out: it'll help when I'm confirmed innocent via lynch', cool. This however just says 'hey bros don't kill me lol'. First game every day. I'm going to push for your death. Every. Game. | ||
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On March 19 2010 10:12 ~OpZ~ wrote: Oh, and I believe we should be expecting a post from L soon, right? What's the plan, oh great lyncher of Bill Murray. Well, here was the plan; We looked at the abenson votelist and decided that since we had so many people on it that we were suspicious of, that we were going to liquidate the entire list. BM just finished trying to rig votes two days in a row, so he was pretty much a forced kill on our part. Just for anyone watching the game; I've said this before, but one of your jobs as a green player is not to MAKE yourself a blatant target unless you're trying to set up a gambit. If BM was a hatter and wanted to get lynched while claiming mafia bus in pms, for instance, that woulda been a decently baller move. His play, however, was far from that. Tomorrow we're going to double hit another 2, and we're going to have another 2 DT RCs on list targets. We want to vig another. Granted the people that we have claimed from that list, we should be able to basically purge it within a day. For this night, I need to move one of my bombs, we need the DTs to check the right people, and if we have a vig, I need him to give me a heads up. Granted we don't have captain spamalot in the game anymore, people posting solid analysis won't get pushed off the page asap. On March 16 2010 10:03 flamewheel91 wrote: Day 2 Lynch Vote: madnessman Votes: 0 Bill Murray Votes: 2 L johnnyspazz Abenson Votes: 9 Fishball d3_crescentia Foolishness madnessman XeliN citi.zen tree.hugger Zona Bill Murray Malongo Votes: 8 Incognito BloodyC0bbler (x3) ~OpZ~ Abenson CynanMachae sidesprang BloodyC0bbler Votes: 1 Versatile L Votes: 1 nemY ~OpZ~ Votes: 1 l10f nemY Votes: 0 sidesprang Votes: 1 Iaaan Non-voters (i.e. those to be modkilled) Malongo Voting for the Day 2 lynch is over. Abenson will be lynched. Malongo will be modkilled. Night post coming up shortly. There are a grand total of 9 people who haven't claimed yet. Our top suspects are probably d3_crescentia(DT check tonight), Foolishness, XeliN(DT check tonight) and tree.hugger. XeliN has SUPER inconsistent play. He defends BM, then votes to kill him, for instance. This was noted earlier. XeliN's been on our collective radars since like.. day 2. Foolishness hasn't added a single thing to the town yet, despite piping in here and there; His attempts to defend BM are prematurely ended when he decides that after declaring his point of view that he'd rather just stop getting in the middle of the issue. d3 just doesn't bother posting. at all. Its pretty retarded. tree.hugger same deal. Now, I still don't know who the vig is, but I'm going to outline the people who have claimed to our circle in one way or another. I'm a hatter 2 DTs 1 Medic 1 Vet 2 Bus Drivers I think there's a second medic, but I'm not sure. If that's the case, one of the bus drivers is going to be mafia. If there's no second medic, our drivers might be legit. We're also missing a Vig. The bus driver with shunts left, PM me. The Medic PM me. We need to BREAK OUT SOME DEF tonight. DTs pm me about which of the 2 check targets listed above to make sure you don't fuck yourself. Out of the remaining 9 people, 3-4 are probably mafia. There's likely 1 GF in our system. Now, looking at the numbers: 4 mafia, 13 of us. We're going to lose 2 tonight. Hopefully less. Probably a vig hit too. If we fuck everything up, we go down to 4:10. Double lynch hits wrong again? We go to 4:8. We miss med prots? 4:6. Even at this point, we can still win if we all work together. I can be lynched as a desperation measure to kill 2 mafia, which puts their kp at one. We'd be at 2:5, then 2:4 after. So yeah, we need to be accurate. I need, once again, people looking at specific people. If everyone can put the time in, I'm going to suggest the following: Go to the first page and look at the player list. Take the next surviving person after you and look through their posting habits, voting patterns and previous game behavior as mafia or town. Post comparisons. We need this information. | ||
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On March 19 2010 11:24 ~OpZ~ wrote: I know what sarcasm meant. I was clearly being sarcastic. You are clearly Mafia. L will have you ass fucked tonight, if things go right. You painted your own self suspicious, not by voting for Bill, but for saying you were surprised he was green, after stating you believed he was green. How is that thick? As for Fishball, since you believe you are playing the exactly the same, you are agreeing you are being a useless townie? Mind role claiming in the thread then? So everyone knows to ignore you? I don't know how else to put it. But seriously, you have to have a list of people to suspect. I also suspect citizen and versatile, but arguably versatile might not be mafia. Xelin was right and it could of just been a gambit by her to state she hopes she dies.... I appreciate the statement of the plan L. Do we know if Dt's are informed if they get Bus Drived? Because a blatant explanation of our plan, and a mafia aligned BD might of messed us up. L, you can post who yours bombs are on. Only a medic can block your bombs, so it's a almost a guaranteed kill, so theirs no point really hiding it. Just throwing that out there. DTs get informed, but no I'm not telling mafia who my bombs are on. If they find out I'm wrong on both bombs hitting me eliminates 3 townies. If i'm right on both, they essentially lose the game instantly. Giving them that information is the dumbest fucking shit I've ever heard and incog wanted it too. | ||
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On March 19 2010 12:22 ~OpZ~ wrote: Nemy almost always abstains, mafia or not. L and BC could of voted anyone, Nemy just followed who they voted, I believe. Wouldn't now be a good time to just public role claim, if you all have the blues accounted for? All of our blues are alive, and L and BC know all of them? 1. Incognito (Pardoner) Bus Driver 2. Versatile 4. tree.hugger 6. Fishball 8. johnnyspazz 9. nemY 10. sidesprang 12. XeliN DT Check 13. Fulgrim 14. citi.zen 15. madnessman 16. JeeJee 17. d3_crescentia DT Check 18. L Mad Hatter 19. ~OpZ~ Townie 20. Vivi57 21. Foolishness 23. Iaaan 24. l10f 25. BloodyC0bbler (Mayor) Dt You all know more roles, and with those already claimed, everyone else would have to claim green. Keep the rest of the blues private, and just have them claim green...I don't know if this would work, as I'm sure seeing as you all have that information already...I dunno....It might not be the best plan of action....Just Everyone feels very uninformed. I'm sure BC's catching med protection. You three already set up whos protecting who right L? Are the meds confirmed? I appreciate this, and I just want to feel mildly useful. Is there any other pertinent information? Just respond to the idea, not the call for claims. I'm sure you already got who most of the mafia might be, given you've gotten several roles revealed already. You said the god father might be part of your circle? Any leads or ideas yet? We don't know all of them, and the GF is probably in here somewhere. Many of the people who we know of aren't confirmed but have claimed. Leads or ideas? Not really. At this point I'm more worried about cleaning up the remaining 9 players in order to drop mafia kp down to 1. After that we can go on a GF hunt using the information we have. XeliN, for instance, has claimed blue in PMs, yet I don't know what his role is. I kinda would like to know, but I guess its his call. Given that he's probably on the chopping block tonight or tomorrow he should probably act quick. | ||
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On March 19 2010 12:52 XeliN wrote: L I publically roleclaimed earlier in this very thread, I am Townie and the only PM roleclaim I have given was to BM which was: yeah, ive been getting like 3 pms in the past minute.. lol i'm green, too. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I'm not certain that you are 100% prooved town from that but tbh I trusted you before that anyway I'm Townie Don't lynch me before DT checking please it would be a waste. So BM figured that you telling him you're green was a roleclaim? Good lord I'm happy he's dead. | ||
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Someone is lying. Subject: Re: roleclaim Date: 3/20/10 07:12 k got it Yeah I realize it's a bit late but I don't really know what to do. I've saved zona the past 2 nights, since he died there must have been a bus driver swap on him. Incog claims he used up his two, and if that's true than the other driver has used up one already. Really hope I don't die tonight. Way too many bomb options now. | ||
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On March 20 2010 12:20 d3_crescentia wrote: Good luck town. Also I am a man, though I guess I can be a woman... + Show Spoiler + ...for the right price. Five bucks. | ||
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Fishball was trying to justify not hitting BC and Foolishness claimed medic, so I told him to protect me AND told other people about that. If Mafia moved in on either BC or I we had them pretty much confirmed as liars. Between the 2 double lynches and my bombs, we were going to pretty much clean the list that BC put up, and after foolishness' death we woulda had 2 medics out of suspicion. | ||
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On March 21 2010 02:32 Fishball wrote: No, I was actually predicting the moves of the Mafia. I told you and BC saying they will not hit L, Incognito, or BC, and I was right, at least HALF right due to mafia hitting dumb targets (will explain in other post). This has nothing to do with my alignment, and was just solely prediction. You do realize I could have lied to you from the get-go when you asked me to bus BC and Tree.hugger, I can tell you "ok, will do" but not do it. There won't be a conversation at all then. Still typing up my long post. You predicted they would put themselves into a dead-end situation? We had a tiny list they could be on. With double lynch and 2 more DT checks, the amount that they would have undiscovered drops by 4 per night. With bombs we have another 1 time shot of 2. If they didn't move on our DTs that night, we would have won. And then we won. | ||
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On March 21 2010 03:34 Fishball wrote: It is irrelevant that you "lied" to me, because I never carried out what was requested. I only base my actions on the information that I know can be trusted. If you "attempting" to lie to me gives you a sense of achievement, that is quite... childish. I'm glad we don't share the same sentiment. Woulda been relevant if you had contacted their team. By telling you that they had no protection on BC other than you hitting him woulda been a pretty balls to the wall homerun choice. SEE THE TRAPS?!!!?! TRAPS EVERYWHEREEEEEEEEE. | ||
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On March 21 2010 04:11 Fishball wrote: You do not make sense. Me contacting the Mafia, telling them that BC would have no protection? Even Bill Murray wouldn't be dumb enough to pull this move. Read the long post. If you fail at reading, let me sum it up for you. I never thought BC would go down in Night 3. So again, your post doesn't make sense. Unless you are just posting gibberish... You're assuming I knew you weren't in contact with the mafia. How could I know that? You were going around claiming unsided bus for a while, which is retarded. Why would you claim that over town bus? The moment someone who was mafia got a whiff of that it should have been easy to establish contact. So let me sum it up for you: If BC or madnessman didn't die night 3 the game was numerically over. | ||
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You're a rage-filled donut. Did someone bite into your delicious creamy center today? What you said was irrelevant. If you were town aligned there was ZERO reason to hold the bus back and you did, which made you pretty fucking obvious. I tossed a PM over to BC the moment you started giving me pushback. It doesn't matter if mafia was stupid and threw away their chance at a victory. It doesn't matter if they lynched wrong. Lets go over the scenarios together: Starting point: If mafia don't kill a DT on night 3, they lose. Scenario 1: You swap. Ok, good, mafia shots at our DT are redirected at their own members. We win. Scenario 2: You're in contact with mafia and swap. I contacted you intentionally late in the night to make this possibility less workable for your collective team. You funnel a hit through the swap target and BC dies. You die shortly thereafter, probably via my non-foolishness bomb. Scenario 3: You're not in contact with mafia and you don't swap: If mafia double hits BC, shit, we could potentially lose. If they don't, we still win. Scenario 4: You're in contact with mafia and you don't swap: Medic soaks your hit, I laugh all the way to the bank. So which would you pick as a townie? The one wherein you automatically win? Yeah, I'd have picked scenario 1 too. Speaking of ego, you know why I asked your age earlier in the thread? Rage donut is rollin' arounnnnnnnnnnnd. :3You sound like your 16, with a huge epeen, and types ":3" like an Otaku. | ||
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The game wasn't won until the night 3 mishits. We didn't know if incog was legit, mafia might have known about the majority of our blues. We knew a few of them had fakeclaimed (lol 3 medics? serious?). There were plenty of uncertainties that we had that could have been exploited; while the rape train was about to run over the majority of their members, they still did have the bonus of having eliminated like 13 greens. If mafia had hit a DT last night, then killed the other DT the night after without needing to double hit they would have had plenty of wiggle room to try and start up trains on moderately suspicious players. Out of the list of 10~ players we were cutting down, only 1 more would have been checked, and we would have had a potential 2 more days of missed hits if mafia did a good job in the thread which would have resulted in us losing. Have one of them claim vig, have one of their fake medics pretend to stop a hit on a 2 hit night, etc. There's plenty that could have been done. Third, once again, what is the point of this post? We both know that town have won at that point when no DT's and Medics died, hence the DUH. That's kinda the entire point. If you knew the game would have been over given the results of the night, you'd have bussed if you were town. Period. | ||
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On March 21 2010 06:02 Fishball wrote: ...Ok, one more. I already said I would NOT bus BC even if I were town, and the reason why numerous times, feel free to ignore it. You however, is saying that that's not the way how I should have done it, and I did it wrong. So basically you are saying you are right, I am wrong, claiming superiority over me. Adding the word "period" in the end of your sentence, as an absolution, as in there are no alternatives. ...the tone you use, the thoughts you have ...and this is not about your ego right? Right. GG Mafia XX. No, I'm saying it was a perfectly good move for you to use as mafia, but that you became pretty obvious as mafia bus once you attempted to justify the move. You basically admit that if no DT dies that night that the game's over, then justify not protecting the DT. From the town point of view, even if you think mafia won't hit the DT, why would you take the risk if the game is won otherwise? Just seems like cognitive dissonance on your part to attempt to validate a move that outed you fairly easily. So are you wrong? Yes. Does that mean I'm trying to suck the confidence straight out of your soul in order to enrich mine? No. It means I'm pointing out that you made a mistake. That doesn't mean I'm 'better' than you. Doesn't mean you're 'bad'. Just means you made an error. Oh well. Life goes on and rage donuts will roll again another day, potentially throwing sprinkles viciously at others to dissuade them from biting down on their soft, tender rage based cream filling. You're incredibly defensive, which was another of the reasons that our conversation last night made you pretty obvious. If you were town bus, would you really be flipping me off in pms when I'm obviously joking with you? Get over yourself. I don't give a shit if it was you or Ace or Ver or Qatol or Vivi or Scamp or whomever. The move you pulled was illogical from the town perspective. | ||
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On March 21 2010 06:29 Fishball wrote: Don't you see we are repeating this over and over, like for the 5th time or something? Besides the part where I said I would have done the exact same even if I was a townie, and BC sharing my point of view, - I guess you missed the part that I was planning to announce I am the Red Bus Driver, so no I didn't care. You can ask flames, or even BC at the end. It was my plan from the beginning as soon as I used up my powers. - I never believed BC would go unattended. I'm fully aware of you guys were suspicious of me since Iaan brought me up. Hence in my other post, I said I only base my actions on my own information that I know is real. - I flipped you because I don't like you. You were joking? This is the internet, how could I tell? Regardless it wouldn't change my actions. Also like mentioned before, I never did like you and never will. - You say No, I say Yes. Repeat x infinity. Ok. As you can see, all of this stuff I just said was ALREADY written. If you can't read carefully or comprehend all the information together, then I give up. I don't want to be quoting myself like five times in every post. Side note, you say this is not about your ego. You might "think" so yourself, but your conscious says otherwise. A lot of different players, in different games have already pointed out that you use a commanding-I-am-right tone. That's your play style, I have no say on it, as I have my own style, but don't try to deny it when I'm pointing right at it. Are you really that crabby that you got found out for a stupid move? Relax buddy. Donuts don't have a central nervous system, so you shouldn't have any anxiety at all. I'm sorry that my ability to be confident in myself makes you feel like I'm towering over you. Your 'reasons' aren't reasons. They don't make sense. Winning the game makes all of them irrelevant from a town point of view. Since you weren't actually thinking about things from a town point of view its pretty obvious how you'd miss the 'take the obvious win' option. In future instances when someone does something dumb I'll tell them that they are actually: 1) Special 2) Unique 3) A special and unique butterfly That'll totally help them out. | ||
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haha omg i lol'd. but L, dont u get embarrassed repeatedly pushing for lynches of innocent townies?? i know i would. how old is quatol btw? Gotta break eggs to make an omelet.In this case, I had to kill him due to pre-game goal. | ||
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On March 21 2010 11:21 flamewheel91 wrote: Haha yeah--blue roles aren't that fun, in my opinion. Honestly though, I was just thinking about how one medic would have a hell of a time protecting people with bus drivers thrown in, which I believed would have led to blue sniping instead of the mafia always hitting green (I don't understand why the hitlists were as they were, but meh.) With the two public bodyguards, I had pretty much thought that the medic would be tied up protecting either important targets (like L) or the bodyguards (which is essentially what happened--L was protected first two nights and then BGs die.) On the first night, I was really surprised that L didn't get doublestacked, which would've been massively hilarious, or as I recall L saying to me in XVIII: "because we (the mafia) are such cool cats" when Ver was doublestacked. Also: Fishball for MVP, baller switch on d3 and Zona led to the mafia having a winning situation for the next period of time, and BM's lynch should've put them ahead (hmm and then during night two more townies hit?) The roles flipped how they did due to the random number generator, and being the type of person that accepts all kinds of luck (good, bad, otherwise) I just left it as is. Yeah, it was imbalanced, but some games tend to be. All in fun in games though, right? I had hoped that the three "leaders"--Incognito, BloodyC0bbler, and L would try to kill each other. [I actually recall an instant when I asked Incognito over ICQ "what's your next step?" and he replied "get BloodyC0bbler killed."] Mafia, threadwise at least, were very quiet... and that just lead to the town being more controlled. Once again, even with the imbalanced start the two bodyguards dying during the night would've put the town in a bad situation, since neither BC nor madnessman had released their check results threadwise. Overall, I'm just glad that people enjoyed the game, even though thread activity dropped pretty low due to things like death and spring break (mlah.) Sorry again for the imba setup, and I believe the next game I host will have no gimmicks. Incog was easily neutralize by just not giving him new information. The inaccuracy of mafia hits heavily pointed away from him being guilty. BC was the target of a semi-trap to see if he would guess my role right. Since BC didn't really have any opposition in the DT claimants category, he was pretty much assured and incog's early compliance made him useless to kill. The town wasn't in a bad situation due to the bodyguard deaths either because mafia would have been forced to double hit BC if they wanted a kill. An extra medic and another mafia kp would have balanced the game quite nicely, imo. | ||
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On March 21 2010 11:41 flamewheel91 wrote: Or next time there will just be no power roles! PieC9 x2 go go go. Might be good if people were active, but given our compressed timeframes most people kinda flake out. I've always been for giving everyone something they can do, even if its something small. | ||
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On March 21 2010 11:48 Zona wrote: Do you really think so? I do agree the extra mafia KP would have helped a lot, because it greatly reduces the number of days available to the town before losing, and thus the number of mislynches the town can afford (the number in this game is ridiculously high), but 2 DTs in a game where the protected elected officials can be checked is incredibly powerful. No only can 2 DTs check a significant portion of the game's players between them, but they can confirm each other and the protected mouthpiece they can then use. Extra kp is massive and lets you double up on DTs to get kills. Playing smart would involve someone fake claiming something, then when the town finds out ask for a mafia bus claim to the person who's going to be killed. Then use a pseudo confirmed setup to give him orders; An IRC channel where no one admits their name except the bus, for instance. At this point the moment you discover blues, you can bus them to randoms and siphon hits in which makes the medics useless unless counter counter bussed. tbh, mafia might even be heavily favored in that format depending on how early bus contacts. | ||
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On March 21 2010 13:05 Ace wrote: this. It's also why I say it's a good idea to lynch players like BM and Vivi early on because if left alive, they WILL make the town lose. And if they're mafia they play the exact same way as if they're town: Inconsistently and illogically. Its like some kind of braindead super-armor. | ||
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