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Killing Bill Murray day 1 inc. | ||
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On March 10 2010 07:44 Malongo wrote: one does not simply post one liners into ultralisk you know¿ Did the earthquake fuck up your question mark key? Honest question. | ||
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On March 10 2010 08:45 johnnyspazz wrote: wow L, he obviously has a cooler keyboard than you that posts upside down question marks. dont be so rude Its an honest question. I know how to make the upside down question marks using alt + numpad, but it seems like malongo switched over very suddenly after the earthquake hence me asking. Also bill murray dies on day 1. Don't care. Has to be done. | ||
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Bill Murray. Alternatively, if there's no day 1 lynch vote: I nominate myself on a platform consisting of lynching Bill Murray. | ||
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On March 10 2010 12:37 Qatol wrote: :O Don't vote for L! He's cheating! + Show Spoiler + That will be $20 Bill Murray. Now you get to troll the game for another day! Money well spent! Whatever. The important part is that Bill Murray needs to die day 1. | ||
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p.s. L how many times do I have to apologize before u can chill out, bro Nah, my entire game goal is to see you die spectacularly. If you flip red, double bonus. | ||
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If we were both mafia, I'd still want you dead because you're terrible and would probably ruin our plans, be afk during important votes, do stupid shit in PMs, forget to post in thread because you're on IRC pretending you have a big penis, etc. Yours cordially, - L P.S. If you're not mafia, I'm happy regardless. If I'm town, I'm happy we have one less retard shitting up the thread. If I'm mafia; Lol ur dead choo choo pain train. | ||
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So yeah, I'm still planning on killing Bill Murray and I think I'm a pretty cool guy, so vote for me. In terms of plans; You guys must be joking if you think that killing the town driver is a good idea. The town driver can literally swap mafia hit BACK AT MAFIA. ITS ABSOLUTELY BALLS OFF THE WALL AWESOME. After I'm elected, I've got a small roleclaim based play to go with; I'll ask DTs to check certain people during the night so that we can get groups started. Should be a pretty simple game from there. | ||
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On March 11 2010 06:50 nemY wrote: ... didn't we already try this one time? ... WAIT DIDN'T I ALREADY TRY THIS ONE TIME? Excellent thinking guys! ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/userfiles/22908.jpg?1243197108) Its not entirely wrong. That said, there are better options than telling mafia who the DTs are prior to having the votes secured. When they're all locked in, then you can be like "lol suplise". | ||
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On March 11 2010 09:00 Incognito wrote: Mayor elections. I am announcing my candidacy for office. Rolechecks: There's 1/25 GFs. But there's two known BGs who are pointless to rolecheck, so its really a 1/23 chance. Since 5 mafia can run for office and the GF can be picked after the mafia knows if they will get office, there is little point to rolechecking the mayor/pardoner. If there was one office and elections were determined randomly, there is a 20% chance of having a mafia mayor. Add another office, and your chance increases. Add a mafia busdriver, and you can't really do that. So in the end, BC's contention that elected officials have a greater chance of falling into town hands because false because the GF is picked. Which means that any mafia elected has the possibility of becoming the GF. BG protection. As BC said, BGs should get protection if we are to have invincible elected officials. In order for us to determine impartially who the medic should protect, we need to make it random. If I announce in the thread however, it may encourage flamewheel to alter the results to screw us over (or not?!). Since we don't know who the bodyguards are yet, as long as we determine now who the medics will protect, it doesn't matter who chooses. So right now, I'm sending pms to 4 people. All four of them will contain the same information, either first or last. After elections, everybody who got a pm reveals it and medics protect which either the first or last BG based on the BG's positions on the signup list. Questions? Objections? Vigilantes. Stay secret. Mafia bus drivers means you can't announce your hit in thread to confirm yourself. Town-aligned Bus Driver strategies. You may think that you need to be gosu to use this role effectively. But you don't. You don't even need to know the actions to use this role. The mere threat of Bus Drivers will cause the mafia to second guess any attempts to kill prominent players. One way to use Bus Drivers effectively: Swap a prominent player with some random player who you think won't be targetted. This effectively makes the prominent player invincible for one night. If you are a bus driver, do not reveal whether or not you have used up your 2 actions. To be effective, you need to keep the mafia unaware that you could switch out prominent players at any point in the game. This means that medic lists are not necessary. Medics are free to protect the chosen BG. Archives. For the sake of the town, please use it. It will help us sort through the inactives and will help us when you die. About newer players getting elected: Its a nice democratic idea. But its only worked once in the past. And that was with SemiOldGuy. Other than that, the benefits of the Mayor/Pardoner positions are that you are almost impossible to kill by the mafia. The town would benefit the most if the Mayor/Pardoner were strong pro-town players. An invincible pro-town Ver or MBH is more scary than an invincible DT. Especially with this format with bus drivers. If we could get a strong player who happens to be a DT, well, then that's even better. But strong players that the mafia will be afraid of > blue roles. So you're saying don't DT check the person with 3 votes who can't be killed because he could be the GF. Why does that seem retarded to me? Oh let me tell you why. Day 1 passes 2 people are voted in. If mafia attempt to run, they have the ability to put a single player in. The threat of DT checking prevents them from running more than one competitive option. Given that the good players in this game are limited, they're likely split up. I know that I'm not red, so that probably leaves either you or BC as the mafia candidate. One of you will probably be GF. Over the past many games I've realized that the person who first starts pushing the GF as a method of destabilizing town is probably the GF himself. Last game, for instance, Ace made repeated reference to the fact that he wanted to 'prove himself' through shooting. It was a pretty obvious self reference. When I asked called to be put back in, without even seeing the game I told him I was killing Ace, but the game was fucked and over by that point. In past games where I've been GF i've similarly relied on it as a method of painting other people as uncredible. I generally ended up being able to do wacky shit like get fucking medic or DT mayors killed off because i'd point to a mistake in someone's reasoning then go "LOL I FOUND YOU OUT GF HOLY SHIT" and then get them bussed. So given that, The mayor/pardoner NEED to be checked on the basis that it proves that at minimum ONE is legit. If ONE at the least is legit, then you can start some town building. Especially under certain circumstances. So yeah, DTs please check Mayor/Pardoner, and please make me one or the other (i'd highly prefer mayor so that I can kill bill murray). There's also another way to use bus drivers; you can use the town aligned bus driver after claims to assure that you have accurate DT checks. In doing so, you skirt pretty much the entire possibility of mafia redirecting your checks AND protect important players. Given that mafia aren't likely to hit their own members (unless knowingly bussed), the target/fake dichotomy is key. Anyways, vote for me. | ||
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ermm, ace was innocent last game so that example actually goes against your argument. Yeah, hence why Ace's actions were misleading. But the issue is that while he looked like the GF, he wasn't fooling anyone but the town. In the end he got shot for it.If a member of the mafia wins mayor/pardonner, isn't it GUARANTEED that he'll be the Godfather? Not even remotely. Mafia can grab both spots, put the goon in the mayor role, have him swing around with his 3 votes for a day or 2, then have the GF pardoner gain credibility by pushing the lynch of the mayor. Then lategame comes, we're in a lylo situation and... oh shit, we can't lynch because he pardons. The reason why they can't is the threat of having DTs check both, yet people are here saying "well, its useless to check". Wrong. checking is the threat itself, and there's a 100% chance that you find someone legit in either mayor or pardoner. If the GF goes up, what role does he take? What if his counterpart is blue and gets confirmed through role usage? Can the GF have his team hit the BGs in order to take out the confirmed protected blue? If he does, he needs to kill both BGs or reveal a goon (or just reveals a goon), then he needs a GOOD reason for why HE isn't dead the next day. Either way, the threat of checking both elected positions is massive, especially because if a GF doesn't run, then you have a set of DTs and protected blues that have tools to confirm each other. A medic mayor, for instance, who blocks a hit is a huge "oh shit" moment for mafia. Letting two potential blues have that position is also huge. Additionally, there's the question of 'what blue'? Who does the GF take? If he's a safe role, why would he run for mayor? If he's an active role, he needs to lie carefully and can be found out if he tries to claim. And that's another point; Pretty much any blue that gets elected is probably going to claim immediately. So the GF can't fucking putz around. You guys simply don't see how powerful having a blue office holder that can be checked is. Qatol was shitting bricks about it earlier, which is why the BGs are public, but we can abuse that too. Just wait, champs. Think for a bit and build a strategy given our game format; its highly abusable. | ||
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On March 11 2010 10:37 madnessman wrote: He's trying to make you look bad, by saying that someone who accuses others of being the Godfather is usually the Godfather himself, since said person is just trying to divert suspicion so the town won't realize that it is HE who is GF.. Which doesn't necessarily make a lot of sense to me, because when the accused GF gets lynch and turns over town-aligned, won't the accuser just look like someone who cried wolf? No,its more that players with a certain role are more likely to ask questions about that role or how they fit into the game than other players. A player who makes a huge post about a DT plan then goes afk looks VERY much like a DT because he's doing 2 things DTs do: thinks about himself and his role as a DT, then he tries to not die. Greens generally run inactive in our games unless they're veteran players trying to run pro-town moves, or bad players trying to stave off the boredom of being plain. Greens also try to trap people in pms, but that doesn't really work well. By contrast someone like the vet will post excessively pro-town things in a bid to get killed; Ver generally doesn't talk very much in an effort to stay alive for a few days; Last game as Vet he was active far earlier. Some other vets will attempt to claim medic or DT in an effort to get hit. This doesn't work well in our games because we shoot liars (sometimes). I'm also running on the idea that there's going to be a good player who's GF; I haven't really seen GF given to a shitty player because they generally can't command enough respect within the mafia to have people agree. if that's the case, there are 5 main 'candidates' for GF in the game. Me, Malongo, Incog, Cobbler and Foolishness. I know I'm not, so for my personal calculations, there's a 25% chance one of these 5 is the GF. Additionally, guessing on how teams balance, given mafia's low kp and the structure of the game, I'd say that 2-3 of these players are probably mafia. Incog and Cobbler have decided to run. That's perfectly fine and entirely expected of them. If the mafia team running is most likely to only send a GF candidate after the early talk of checks, then one of them is probably legit, and the other is probably not. Additionally, that also means that foolishness and Malongo are probably 1-1 on the legit/not ratio too. But I'm not confirmed to people who aren't me (yet) so the actual numbers are a bit off. But that's all conjecture, and frankly it won't matter because by night 2 we'll have all of them checked and the 1-2 goons in that group will likely be caught and the rest will join the town circle. | ||
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On March 11 2010 11:34 Incognito wrote: Uh a bit confusing here. But what happens if the GF just picks green? Nothing to prove and nothing to hide. How do we abuse that instance? Why the fuck are you running for mayor as green? If anyone is doing dumb shit like that I will drive the lynch bus straight down your face. These are confirmable spots; we can't confirm green beyond 'not goon'. We can confirm medic. We can confirm DT. We can confirm Driver (to a certain point). The only reason you'd want to take green into the mayorship is by asking to die the next day as a method of verifying that you're legit and allowing a controlled claim to go through. Even then, I think we've had a grand total of one person try that and he didnt' try that, he feinted. If you take the position that mafia's only going to run a single candidate, running as green seems even stupider; Mafia NEVER fail to get their candidate in if they want him there. EVER. So the idea that you'd step in to stop another mafia from getting in is absolutely retarded; you're taking the spot from a blue because you want to be cute and go "i pardon xyz, he's town for sureeeeeeeee" or throw a few extra votes around and pretend you're more important now that you aren't 'just' green. | ||
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On March 11 2010 11:57 Fulgrim wrote: If no greens ran for office though, you would just be handing the mafia a hitlist of the candidates that were running. Well, that's the result of having checkable offices. Greens shouldn't be running for office unless they plan on losing. As for the comment about mafia being desperate to get office; Rofl. With a bus consisting of 20% of players in a game where we typically have less than 50% of the people throw meaningful votes, you think they're scared they can't convince 2-3 townies to vote for them, then bus if needed? Oh please. Mafia candidates often get in with little to no mafia support on the voter rolls too. | ||
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I do agree however, that greens should run. In a game like this, if a dt checks a green office holder, they can just use that person as a mouth all game. Yes there is a slight chance that person could be the gf, but thats a 1 in 24 chance. Yeah, we just went through what the GF might take into office, and you're saying you'd pm the impossible to confirm member. Or rather you're saying you SHOULD pm the impossible to confirm member. Somehow I think this is a really good way to get a DT killed during night 2. | ||
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On March 11 2010 12:40 Zona wrote: Considering his sentence includes "the other DT"...it seems like he's claiming DT. The thing is - we probably only have one DT. Oh good, some people can read. I can't tell you if you're entirely correct at this point, but you're on the right track. | ||
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On March 11 2010 13:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: It appears that he is hoping to get into office based on "hey im not green" Nope. I'm hoping to do something after I get into office based on "hey im not green", but its not really "hey im not green", thats kinda just something you guys have decided to run with. I'm just glad that people have decided to read posts carefully because they are CHOCK FULL OF CHOCOLATEY GOODNESS. I mean, I'll be pretty cryptic about what it is I want to do until I do it, but I'm going to point you towards the specific differences in format between this game and our normal games to give you an idea. Either way go go vote 4 me :3. | ||
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On March 11 2010 13:58 Incognito wrote: Awesome. Another out of the blue vote for the Cobbler. Anybody care to explain? Anybody care to explain why these phantom voters like you/cobbler over me?  | ||
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2) ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL DAY ONE PM CLAIMS. THIS SHIT IS OFF THE CHAIN. | ||
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