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Iaaan
Canada578 Posts
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
Seriously, get out of PM land, and speak a little in the thread, we all aren't privy to that side of the world guys, and it is really sapping the fun from this game. | ||
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Iaaan
Canada578 Posts
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On March 15 2010 10:57 ~OpZ~ wrote: omg, I respond and foolishness accuses.....and BC vanishes after some crappy responses to me....Seriously, PROVOKE ME AGAIN, I want to post, but I don't want to quadruple post. Shit, Ace would of kept the accusations rolling right along, provoking me, until someone else came along. Seriously, get out of PM land, and speak a little in the thread, we all aren't privy to that side of the world guys, and it is really sapping the fun from this game. Oh, so if you have information about who is blue and who isn't you should vomit that out and essentially tell mafia who to hit? Nah. If you want to post, feel free to analyse some of the more afk people, because the fact that they aren't being called out and the low post volume in the thread indicates that mafia is happy with what's currently going on. I still get the most pushback from BM, so I still think he's the best target. You, however, can propose someone else. Bring old posts of theirs, build context, show how it fits or doesn't fit patterns from prior games. You kinda feel like defending yourself is a pro-town action, and you're stating that you'd rather do that than produce real work: ok. That makes you lazy like the majority of the town and pretty much all of the mafia. Generally shit like what JeeJee did shouldn't be in PMs. Co-ordinating blues, however, by NECESSITY, has to be. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
Abenson is inactive just like he was in the other game where he was mafia. He would pop in to make a post from time to time, then disappear. Cliche mafia behavior. This game is no different. In the previous game as well, people were constantly calling him out in the thread, and he never responded, and that seems to be happening again this game. The key point is that looking through his posts, I noticed that he was spamming one liners like good ol' Abenson usually does right up until after the game started. This really stood out since he was clearly active and posting and then disappeared not long after the game started. He has also been making useless posts: On March 11 2010 10:47 Abenson wrote: Reading the posts above, I have come to conclude that the town does indeed need a pro-town mayor/pardoner, whether they be blue or not. Therefore I propose that all the veterans make a few posts explaining their reasoning about how this game will work, and to also give the more inexperienced players (like me) someone to vote for. Someone else already called him out on this (to which he did not respond). But honestly there's no reason to make this post, considering all the "veterans" definitely posted their game plan when they decided to run for office. Don't know what he was thinking but this post makes no sense. Outside of this it's hard to find a post he made that was longer than two lines. | ||
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madnessman
United States1581 Posts
Therefore, I'd like to defend myself and hope that when I get internet access next, I won't find myself hanging from the gallows -_-. People seem to be suspicious of me because of what happened during voting. First off, as I've mentioned earlier, I changed my vote because I realized that Incog was also claiming a blue role. I'd voted for L on the assumption that Incog was green. Seeing that Incog also claimed blue changed everything; if it were between Incog (green) and L (blue), I would choose L. Why? I was uncertain of L, but L has been claiming that he's an important blue role that has the ability to self-kill mafia/put them in harms way. So even though I was very uncertain of L, it seemed too much of a gamble to vote for Incog (a green) and not give L protection. HOWEVER, seeing that Incog claimed blue, that whole thought process was void. Between Incog (blue) and L (blue), I was preferred Incog. Secondly, the last three people to change their votes and cause Incog to win pardoner instead of L were me, JeeJee, and Bill Murray. I changed my vote at 8.33, changing the vote count to Incog 5: L 7. If I were mafia, I would need TWO more people to change their votes in order for Incog to win. Jeejee changed his vote at 8:58. This changed the vote count to Incog 6: L 6. As we all know, Jeejee was a green townie. As such, if I were mafia and wanted Incog to win, don't you guys think it would be cutting it AWFULLY AWFULLY close to wait until 8:58 for 2 more people to change their votes?? If I were mafia, there's no way that I could have known Jeejee would try to swing votes, as he initiated the act to swing votes completely of his own accord. We then see that BM changed his vote to Incog at 9:01. This is ONE MINUTE after voting should have ended. I even explicitly pointed out in the voting thread that BM was voting AFTER when I believed voting was closed. If I were mafia and trying to swing votes, why would I even protest that BM was voting after 9? I even tried to change my vote back because I got suspicious as hell by JeeJee and BM swinging votes literally 3 mins before voting ended. Also, BM has been pointing fingers nonstop at me. If we were voting and acting in unison, why would he be on my case in such a ridiculous fashion? I think BM himself is acting scummy as hell, and in a much different fashion than he was last game. He accuses me of being mafia merely for defending L. When I change my vote to Incog, even though HE WAS THE ONE WHO CAST THE LAST DECIDING VOTE, he accuses me for voting for the same person that he voted for. What is the logic behind it? I honestly don't understand. To those who are voting for me to be lynched, please voice the reasons why you guys are voting for me. And if you are unmoved by my explanation and logic, and still believe me to be mafia, please tell me why. So that I may defend myself before I fly off tomorrow -_-. Honestly, if I were mafia, what would be the purpose behind my actions? There would be literally NO POINT in me doing what I did, especially since the very person who changed the election outcome voted the same way as i did, yet has been accusing me of being mafia, both when i voted for L and when i voted for incog. If I were a member of the mafia, why would i change my vote to incog if in the 2 ppl who voted after me, 1 was townie and the other has been accusing me nonstop for stupid baseless reasons? I believe this shows that i wasn't in any way trying to swing votes. i honestly changed my vote only because i realized that incog was also claiming blue. If you're going to vote for me to be lynched, please state why if you remain unconvinced >_> | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
Foolishness. Yes, I haven't posted recently. Its the weekend, so I'm a little busier than usual. I have been around for the past few hours though. So yes I'm active. Yes it may look shady. But quite frankly, I'm disappointed and frustrated that every time I make a post in thread, I am ignored. Completely. Its not the mafia's fault, its the townies faults. So I have taken my activity and moved it into pm land. A bunch of you have been responding to my pms thinking that I am just trying to fish for mafia. While that is a component of pms, it is not the only component. So stop being defensive about pms and thinking that I am accusing you. Answer the questions, and hopefully we can have a good discussion in private. Why this switch? Because if I'm active in the thread and everyone ignores me, that is not useful activity. An everyone does ignore me. Every time I ask people to step up and explain something, nobody responds. Why is this? Because when people are addressed as a group, nobody feels that they are responsible, so nobody feels the need to respond. This has been shown in things like emergency response. So tying back into the game, when I point out an accusation, the mafia don't need to respond if nobody responds. They can just sit back and watch while the game stagnates. If they responded every time, it would attract unnecessary and unwanted attention. So pms are better because it singles people out and makes them more inclined to respond. Makes them more willing to share their thoughts and feelings about the game, because they don't know who else is responding. As has been proven in the past, inactivity allows the mafia to hide. But how do the mafia know if its safe to hide? By observing the fact that other townies are also being inactive. When I start a discussion with you in pms, you don't know if other people are active or not, so you feel the need to respond to not look suspicious. I get frustrated when townies don't want to cooperate and decide that its better to defend themselves when I ask simple questions. So if you're town, don't be afraid to talk to me in pms. I can't clear your name if you don't say anything or provide meaningful discussion. When I pm you its not like I'm accusing you of being mafia. Its that I want quiet people who are innocent to be inclined to prove their innocence, leaving me with a smaller pool of people to look at. Its that I want the mafia to be forced into talking for fear that everyone else is doing the same thing. In conclusion, yes, pms are helpful to catch the mafia. But no, if you are town, you do not need to act uber defensive. I am not pming you just because I think you're mafia. I am pming you because I need more information if I am to determine your innocence. So please cooperate and allow me to help this town. Thank you. | ||
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
Well, I for one, do not like this at all. First off, its been over 24 hours. And nobody's said anything in defense of Abenson. The mafia have not come out to point out someone more suspicious. And quite frankly, Abenson is no more suspicious than in other games. If I were to categorize his posting behavior, I would say its the same as always. Useless one liners. Which yes, he did while he was mafia, but he also did it as town. There is nothing extraordinary in my opinion about Abenson's behavior. Which naturally puts him lower on my list than other potential candidates. Which brings us to other candidates. Quite frankly, there's a lot. We can never be sure, but at the moment, I'm not comfortable at all with Abenson as a candidate. I would suggest Malongo and Sidesprang as alternatives. Both of whom have very few posts. Malongo has also gone mysteriously missing after his bid for office. Soon after posting, he was called out, and never responded. Which is always unsettling. Furthermore, he usually posts more material. Sometimes its not very useful material, but he always has some material. Either way, this is different for Malongo. Sidesprang. Everyone is claiming excuses. Sidesprang is no exception. We only have one instance of sidesprang as town, which is BC's TL Mafia XVI. Where Sidesprang posts little, but at least he seems to be putting in some effort. From this game and last game where he was mafia, I don't see the same effort. Right now, I'm going to vote Malongo. So Malongo, if you are around, please show up and convince me that you are town. Oh also another note: Archives. Please keep up with them. I need them to keep the analysis going. A lot of people are falling behind on this and we still have four people who aren't participating. People who have yet to make an archive post: 3. Malongo 9. nemY 10. sidesprang 11. Zona | ||
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
On March 15 2010 13:19 Incognito wrote: Abenson as a lynch candidate. Well, I for one, do not like this at all. First off, its been over 24 hours. And nobody's said anything in defense of Abenson. The mafia have not come out to point out someone more suspicious. they probably aren't defending him because it would make it too obvious that they are also mafia. no one of my team defended me last game when the clues clearly exposed me as mafia and i never publicly tried to defer suspicion away from my teammates when they were lynch targets but that was probably because i am a noob. | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On March 15 2010 13:35 johnnyspazz wrote: they probably aren't defending him because it would make it too obvious that they are also mafia. no one of my team defended me last game when the clues clearly exposed me as mafia and i never publicly tried to defer suspicion away from my teammates when they were lynch targets but that was probably because i am a noob. Yeah, I understand that, but also take note that there are no clues this game. If there were clues, I'd understand the mafia shunning someone they think too suspicious based on clues. But there are no clues this game. There is no compelling reason, psychological or otherwise that would make the mafia shy away from defending Abenson. We have plenty of good candidates. Mafia wouldn't have very much trouble trying to find one who's innocent to accuse. | ||
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
On March 15 2010 12:48 Incognito wrote: Important Announcement: Foolishness. Yes, I haven't posted recently. Its the weekend, so I'm a little busier than usual. I have been around for the past few hours though. So yes I'm active. Yes it may look shady. But quite frankly, I'm disappointed and frustrated that every time I make a post in thread, I am ignored. Completely. Its not the mafia's fault, its the townies faults. So I have taken my activity and moved it into pm land. A bunch of you have been responding to my pms thinking that I am just trying to fish for mafia. While that is a component of pms, it is not the only component. So stop being defensive about pms and thinking that I am accusing you. Answer the questions, and hopefully we can have a good discussion in private. Why this switch? Because if I'm active in the thread and everyone ignores me, that is not useful activity. An everyone does ignore me. Every time I ask people to step up and explain something, nobody responds. Why is this? Because when people are addressed as a group, nobody feels that they are responsible, so nobody feels the need to respond. This has been shown in things like emergency response. So tying back into the game, when I point out an accusation, the mafia don't need to respond if nobody responds. They can just sit back and watch while the game stagnates. If they responded every time, it would attract unnecessary and unwanted attention. So pms are better because it singles people out and makes them more inclined to respond. Makes them more willing to share their thoughts and feelings about the game, because they don't know who else is responding. As has been proven in the past, inactivity allows the mafia to hide. But how do the mafia know if its safe to hide? By observing the fact that other townies are also being inactive. When I start a discussion with you in pms, you don't know if other people are active or not, so you feel the need to respond to not look suspicious. I get frustrated when townies don't want to cooperate and decide that its better to defend themselves when I ask simple questions. So if you're town, don't be afraid to talk to me in pms. I can't clear your name if you don't say anything or provide meaningful discussion. When I pm you its not like I'm accusing you of being mafia. Its that I want quiet people who are innocent to be inclined to prove their innocence, leaving me with a smaller pool of people to look at. Its that I want the mafia to be forced into talking for fear that everyone else is doing the same thing. In conclusion, yes, pms are helpful to catch the mafia. But no, if you are town, you do not need to act uber defensive. I am not pming you just because I think you're mafia. I am pming you because I need more information if I am to determine your innocence. So please cooperate and allow me to help this town. Thank you. I don't like getting PMs from random people, because more often then not, it's someone fishing for information and since I can't explicitly see what color the individual PMing me is, I can't exactly trust that individual now can I? The fact is from the sounds of your PMs, you and BC aren't working together which could suggest that one of you is in fact mafia (or that the two of you merely mistrust each other). Rather than asking me about my opinion of our beloved mayor who lurks in the shadows why don't the two of you post what you think about each other, oh glorious leaders of our town? | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On March 15 2010 15:03 nemY wrote: I don't like getting PMs from random people, because more often then not, it's someone fishing for information and since I can't explicitly see what color the individual PMing me is, I can't exactly trust that individual now can I? The fact is from the sounds of your PMs, you and BC aren't working together which could suggest that one of you is in fact mafia (or that the two of you merely mistrust each other). Rather than asking me about my opinion of our beloved mayor who lurks in the shadows why don't the two of you post what you think about each other, oh glorious leaders of our town? Oh, I'm a random person?  Did you even read the post you quoted? It directly answers your fears. Even then, if you're green, why do you have to fear someone fishing for your role? Whats wrong with engaging in discussion? | ||
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
On March 15 2010 15:08 Incognito wrote: Oh, I'm a random person? Did you even read the post you quoted? It directly answers your fears. Even then, if you're green, why do you have to fear someone fishing for your role? Whats wrong with engaging in discussion? I don't know you, do you know me? | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
Malongo has also gone mysteriously missing after his bid for office. Soon after posting, he was called out, and never responded. Which is always unsettling. Furthermore, he usually posts more material. Sometimes its not very useful material, but he always has some material. Either way, this is different for Malongo. Abenson, the other guy with many votes is... being Abenson as far as I can tell, but also making some interesting mistakes - ie "I think that the most important part is to have the dt's post their results." So if I have to choose I'll go with Abenson at this time, but it's more for lack of better candidates than conviction. | ||
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