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On March 15 2010 02:51 citi.zen wrote:
More nonsense.
For clarity L: you are saying you are NOT the bus driver, right? And not green, and not the DT?
Also, the unconfirmable/uncheckable bus driver claimed to you and protected you night one? Why would they TELL you, when you are acting so irrationally? And where did you explicitly say this in the thread, to deter the mafia L?
I told you I'm not claiming. So stop asking for semi-claims. Its not going to happen. I know your team really wants to know what I am before risking hits on a potential medic protected target, but frankly I don't care.
Why did the bus driver claim to me? Well, here's you're assuming he claimed to me rather than someone in my circle; Mistake. Why would they tell me? Well, because we didn't want a mafia bus driver redirecting a check. So in redirecting a DT check (which is what happened last night) we confirmed 3 blues. Well, not 100% quite yet, hence why this is a premature statement.
As for me acting irrationally, its pretty clear that you're just not reading. I'm acting perfectly rationally. I've picked and sticked with the same targets instead of swapping my votes around like you. I proposed a plan for the town and did my best to get it to work (and believe it or not, its still proceeding in a limited fashion (as per the above statement).
Maybe you think I'm irrational for not telling mafia what role I am, but that's in and of itself irrational. You only make a claim if there's a reason to do it. Frankly, giving mafia a 100% lock on a role to bolster my credibility isn't worth it.
Maybe you think I'm irrational for calling people out and sticking to my guns. Lol sry. My bad. I guess I should let mafia dominate the town discussion and propose lynch targets.
And where did I say it? Why don't you read the thread? I'm not your nanny.
Every second post of mine is replied to with your style of "OH SO ARE YOU SAYING X??!!?" when I've explicitly stated the opposite. Its getting pretty tiring. If you're town, you wouldn't have a reason to intentionally twist statements repeatedly, so please don't make the same mistake in the future. I can understand you making it repeatedly until now because you're a rather rage filled player (as evidenced by your reaction when we didn't make you GF when we were last mafia together: you stopped talking to our team and basically got yourself killed), but please don't dig yourself any deeper by using the same mistake repeatedly.
Regardless of all of the above, its pretty obvious people are trying to throw heat on me to dodge a discussion surrounding who we should lynch so that mafia can bus away from their targets more readily. I'm still 100% for lynching bill murray for the reasons I've posted repeatedly; Bill is not playing the same style that he posts when he's town, the vast majority of his posts are now either
1) Shitflinging against me.
2) Shitflinging against people who don't disagree with me.
3) Drunken retard banter.
Sadly that does not a pro-town player make. His voting record is fishy. His behaviour is fishy. I don't really see how abenson merits a hit over him. That said, if we aren't going to kill Bill Murray, I will be intensely unhappy at the gullibility of this town.
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i'm one of the only people defending you, and you still attack me....
and you saying i'm not posting like i have been is irrelevant, biased, and actually not true
i've posted like this every single game, and every single game i'm town aligned
I'm green.
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You're right: everyone has problems reading other than you, of course - hence you quickly detected my "voting pattern". Oh wait, now it's not the "voting pattern" (what happened to that theory by the way - have you moved on?) that bothers you about me, it's the "rage":
I can understand you making it repeatedly until now because you're a rather rage filled player (as evidenced by your reaction when we didn't make you GF when we were last mafia together: you stopped talking to our team and basically got yourself killed), but please don't dig yourself any deeper by using the same mistake repeatedly.
I moved on a long time ago. Did I attack you last game at all? No, because you weren't acting scummy and made some sense.
+ Show Spoiler +The GF decision 2 games ago did not bother me because I was not chosen. It bothered me because it was changed last minute, without consulting the rest of the team. After it happened I tried to understand why we weren't talking to each other and never stopped talking to the team: some of you just refused to used anything other than IRC, even though we had a message board set-up and I repeatedly reached out to many of you in PMs. The very night before I was killed I even sent you this message: To: L [ Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Plan
Date: 2/21/10 12:27
This is where I think we stand:
Ver has a lot of info. He most likely knows I am Gambino. He has been very cold in PMs and clearly does not trust me. He may also have info on others as well, and is saving a few "sure hits" until the end / to keep balance between the mafias as needed, perhaps using 2x lynches.
We must act immediately, while we still have high KP, to kill Ver. This is our only chance to keep the town from winning. We need to do this with the help of the other mafia family. Going after him alone is madness.
I propose I contact QS and propose EACH family use TWO hits on Ver next night. The S family should like this, since it basically gives me away AND gets them rid of Ver.
At the very least we gain some time while the town is less organized.
Is this crazy? Is there another way I am not seeing? Note that at that point QS was DT confirmed to be in the other mafia family. You turned that offer down, I got killed by the other mafia anyway and you used 2 hits on Ver by yourself. We lost the game. Bad communication you say?
You still aren't making any sense L. But that's OK, it will all get sorted out sooner or later. It should comfort you to hear that I am done talking about you for now.
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Moving on to BM, I've said many times he is now way more articulate than in any previous game (or TL thread for that matter), and acting very differently. I don't know if this is incriminating, but I would not be one bit surprised if he was red, as I said to him in PMs:
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From: Bill Murray [ Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: mafia
Date: 3/12/10 04:54
who are the 5 at the top of your list?
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:-)
We will see. In the meantime I am more interested in people's weird behavior this game. Half aren't reading, many are roleclaiming, wtf is going on.
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well, i'm either green, blue, or black
pick again!
lol
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If it's any consolation, you are nowhere near the top of my list.
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lol i don't believe you believe that
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Red
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what color do you think I am?
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If you want to scapegoat me, and waste the town's lynch on a green, go ahead. It will just make you look like an idiot.
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Also, citi.zen, how do YOU get off saying someone is acting differently this game? you are being an idiot acting like chezinu all game.
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Also, I don't think I'm ever going to pm with you again. you closed out our pm session from 2 days ago with "Too early to tell. Need to build real cases, right now it would be counter productive to convince myself otherwise." How about you actually build a real case instead of making up/fabricating lies? I am posting pretty much the exact same, other than I'm not trying to "play the fool". I'm acting the exact way I have when I was green, because I'm green. I am not blue, I am not red, I am green.
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On March 15 2010 04:15 citi.zen wrote:You're right: everyone has problems reading other than you, of course - hence you quickly detected my "voting pattern". Oh wait, now it's not the "voting pattern" (what happened to that theory by the way - have you moved on?) that bothers you about me, it's the "rage": Show nested quote +I can understand you making it repeatedly until now because you're a rather rage filled player (as evidenced by your reaction when we didn't make you GF when we were last mafia together: you stopped talking to our team and basically got yourself killed), but please don't dig yourself any deeper by using the same mistake repeatedly. I moved on a long time ago. Did I attack you last game at all? No, because you weren't acting scummy and made some sense. + Show Spoiler +The GF decision 2 games ago did not bother me because I was not chosen. It bothered me because it was changed last minute, without consulting the rest of the team. After it happened I tried to understand why we weren't talking to each other and never stopped talking to the team: some of you just refused to used anything other than IRC, even though we had a message board set-up and I repeatedly reached out to many of you in PMs. The very night before I was killed I even sent you this message: To: L [ Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Plan
Date: 2/21/10 12:27
This is where I think we stand:
Ver has a lot of info. He most likely knows I am Gambino. He has been very cold in PMs and clearly does not trust me. He may also have info on others as well, and is saving a few "sure hits" until the end / to keep balance between the mafias as needed, perhaps using 2x lynches.
We must act immediately, while we still have high KP, to kill Ver. This is our only chance to keep the town from winning. We need to do this with the help of the other mafia family. Going after him alone is madness.
I propose I contact QS and propose EACH family use TWO hits on Ver next night. The S family should like this, since it basically gives me away AND gets them rid of Ver.
At the very least we gain some time while the town is less organized.
Is this crazy? Is there another way I am not seeing? Note that at that point QS was DT confirmed to be in the other mafia family. You turned that offer down, I got killed by the other mafia anyway and you used 2 hits on Ver by yourself. We lost the game. Bad communication you say? You still aren't making any sense L. But that's OK, it will all get sorted out sooner or later. It should comfort you to hear that I am done talking about you for now.
Still angry because we didn't make you GF I see.
The majority of people can read just fine, hence why the town now has a group of confirmed members that will be growing as time goes by. By contrast, Its been a very select group of people intentionally misreading things, and interestingly enough none of them are present in the group of confirmed or confirm-able blues. Some of them might be townspeople who are being egged on in pms by mafia goons, but some of them are undoubtedly scum.
Its one thing to criticize me. Its another to base your criticism on second hand regurgitations of what I've said.
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On March 09 2010 14:14 L wrote:
Yeah i'm having you killed day 1 of any game you're in with me.
What day is it?
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On March 15 2010 04:29 L wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2010 04:15 citi.zen wrote:You're right: everyone has problems reading other than you, of course - hence you quickly detected my "voting pattern". Oh wait, now it's not the "voting pattern" (what happened to that theory by the way - have you moved on?) that bothers you about me, it's the "rage": I can understand you making it repeatedly until now because you're a rather rage filled player (as evidenced by your reaction when we didn't make you GF when we were last mafia together: you stopped talking to our team and basically got yourself killed), but please don't dig yourself any deeper by using the same mistake repeatedly. I moved on a long time ago. Did I attack you last game at all? No, because you weren't acting scummy and made some sense. + Show Spoiler +The GF decision 2 games ago did not bother me because I was not chosen. It bothered me because it was changed last minute, without consulting the rest of the team. After it happened I tried to understand why we weren't talking to each other and never stopped talking to the team: some of you just refused to used anything other than IRC, even though we had a message board set-up and I repeatedly reached out to many of you in PMs. The very night before I was killed I even sent you this message: To: L [ Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Plan
Date: 2/21/10 12:27
This is where I think we stand:
Ver has a lot of info. He most likely knows I am Gambino. He has been very cold in PMs and clearly does not trust me. He may also have info on others as well, and is saving a few "sure hits" until the end / to keep balance between the mafias as needed, perhaps using 2x lynches.
We must act immediately, while we still have high KP, to kill Ver. This is our only chance to keep the town from winning. We need to do this with the help of the other mafia family. Going after him alone is madness.
I propose I contact QS and propose EACH family use TWO hits on Ver next night. The S family should like this, since it basically gives me away AND gets them rid of Ver.
At the very least we gain some time while the town is less organized.
Is this crazy? Is there another way I am not seeing? Note that at that point QS was DT confirmed to be in the other mafia family. You turned that offer down, I got killed by the other mafia anyway and you used 2 hits on Ver by yourself. We lost the game. Bad communication you say? You still aren't making any sense L. But that's OK, it will all get sorted out sooner or later. It should comfort you to hear that I am done talking about you for now. Still angry because we didn't make you GF I see. The majority of people can read just fine, hence why the town now has a group of confirmed members that will be growing as time goes by. By contrast, Its been a very select group of people intentionally misreading things, and interestingly enough none of them are present in the group of confirmed or confirm-able blues. Some of them might be townspeople who are being egged on in pms by mafia goons, but some of them are undoubtedly scum. Its one thing to criticize me. Its another to base your criticism on second hand regurgitations of what I've said.
If you are in the confirmed town circle we are in trouble. Maybe we'll get lucky and be ok though.
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On March 15 2010 04:42 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2010 14:14 L wrote:
Yeah i'm having you killed day 1 of any game you're in with me. What day is it?
You win this round Bill Murray. You win this round.
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k, serious lack of activity here.
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On March 15 2010 02:42 L wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2010 01:07 Bill Murray wrote:
It's possible the mafia felt L would be medic protected. More like L knew he was going to be bus driven because we even made it clear in the thread that we had the driver claim to us. As for tomorrow night, I have no idea, I'd rather the driver save his drivin' juice and have the medic focused on the BGs. If the mafia kill me, they'll be proving me legit, which will make a lot of the zero content L-haters on mafia look bad. Either way, the best target for killing tonight is still bill murray. One does not simply walk into vote swings.
i don't care about BM, but are you done bitching about not getting mayor/pardoner?
jeejee (a townie) was leading the charge for the vote-swing so you wouldn't be in office. wow, he was successful, and then he got killed for it. whatevs.
but the fact that he showed up town should at least make people pause about killing everyone he was able to convince.
i know you already wanted to kill BM because of the last game, but that's not a good enough reason. fcuk this revenge shyt and play the game.
ps all: drunk posting = no bueno. unless it's entertaining. which it wasn't.
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and for the record, there's a difference between discussing, and crying like little girls.
if you're still trying to get L claim something, you should already have your answer. he's written a freakin' novel in here already and if he was going to do what you wanted-- guess what, he would have already done it.
no one is changing anyone's mind, you all are just going around in circles and it's ridiculous. vote according to what you have taken from reading the thread.
also, don't randomly call out players as potential lynch candidates and then not respond when they address your allegations. if you couldn't be bothered to follow up, it reads like you were trying to get a bandwagon going on someone who wouldn't be around to defend themselves.
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From what I've seen so far, I think that:
I think that the most important part is to have the dt's post their results. I know that this is risky, but I think it's extremely important that we get information from the dt's.
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yeah, sorry about the drunk posting... i'm still recuperating. i'm surprised my posts weren't riddled with typos. i do believe, though, that they help make the case that i am green. i also really don't mind if you all lynch me. i'm not really in any of the town circles, and not being mafia, i don't have any people i know that are on my side. all i know is that i'm green, and i am trying to find people who seem to be green...
pm me if you all want to try to form a circle with me.
i promise not to share your pms unless you pull a mikeymoo.
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On March 15 2010 07:26 Abenson wrote:
From what I've seen so far, I think that:
I think that the most important part is to have the dt's post their results. I know that this is risky, but I think it's extremely important that we get information from the dt's.
Nah.
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There is no reason for the DTs to openly claim their results... unless you want them dead i suppose.
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On March 15 2010 07:26 Abenson wrote:
From what I've seen so far, I think that:
I think that the most important part is to have the dt's post their results. I know that this is risky, but I think it's extremely important that we get information from the dt's.
As a DT, any people who show up as red to a check will be instantly released. Anyone who is blue I will first push to prove their role, Once it is proven they will join the town circle. Any greens I find I will most likely just put in contact with other greens, and give them important information as needed. The list of blues however does not get publically announced, nor who has what role. That just gives free shots to mafia. The less they know, the better. At least for now.
On March 15 2010 06:29 Versatile wrote:
also, don't randomly call out players as potential lynch candidates and then not respond when they address your allegations. if you couldn't be bothered to follow up, it reads like you were trying to get a bandwagon going on someone who wouldn't be around to defend themselves.
As this could easily refer to me. I mentioned the post that I am currently in the middle of typing up, and someone asked me for people I believe could be red, as such I gave names.
Within the next hour I will have my post up on who I think is red and why. Just need the bit of time to sort my thoughts.
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What I think is interesting is the fact that NONE of the BGs were hit. Someone tell me why that is? Two people were killed so there were no medic saves, yet neither of them were the BGs. Possible Busdriver switch maybe? One of the BGs may be mafia? One of the Mayor/Pardoners are mafia?
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