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On March 14 2010 13:51 madnessman wrote: PS. Isn't it equally likely that people trying to act nondescriptly and voting early on could be mafia too? As we saw in the last game, NONE of the swing voters for redtooth were mafia. The swing vote for Redtooth during that game was mostly due to him failing while claiming medic and with all the drama that followed he got votes
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On March 14 2010 13:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2010 13:44 madnessman wrote:I have a question. Mafia KNOWS L is a confirmed blue role. And yet they don't kill him. Does nobody else find this odd? On March 14 2010 04:59 L wrote:On March 14 2010 04:47 Iaaan wrote: I am disappointed that jeejee died, even if I can see how his vote switching was suspicious. Definitely going to be interesting to go back and look at his posts, I remember that he was very persistent at calling people out. Don't see how you can be disappointed that a green who actively tried to fuck with the town is gone via the day 1 lynch. This was probably one of the best day 1 lynches in history. Just because people don't want you in a mayoral position... How does them make them trying to "fuck" with town? How can they be fucking with the town if we don't even know for certain that you're blue? Maybe you're mafia and they're actually doing the town a favor? It's pompous posts like this that caused me to change my vote. And to those questioning my voting patterns... We have three of the most experienced players ALL RUNNING FOR MAYOR AND ALL CLAIMING BLUE. How can I vote with absolute certainty and without any qualms whatsoever when this is quite suspicious, and I am filled with uncertainty and suspecting that one of them might be lying..but don't know which one? Not believing people's claim is all find and good. Its normal to not believe till someone proves it. However, when people literally at the very last few minutes of a vote attempt to swing it. It appears scummy. If a green is doing it, its still a bad move. L is right, JeeJee's stunt was terrible. It doesn't matter that L would have or wouldn't have been in office from it. By causing a vote swing that late shows terrible play. It just can't be tolerated, ever.
Agreed, especially when the vote shifting is done through PMs on day 1, as I stated before. JeeJee looked scummy to many people. Another reason I do not understand why L felt he had to defend that lynch that much. It was a reasonable lynch decided by you, end of story.
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Citi.zen, if you feel so strongly about killing me, how's about we kill bill murray today and if I'm wrong, you kill me tomorrow.
Sounds like everyone wins.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Back to the game, and exhausted, but, you know, you've got to make sacrifices to beat back the red scourge. Looks like we got lucky for the first day, nobody really crucial lost.
But that said, I feel like these kills don't really tell us anything, which may be why these players were picked to begin with. I mean, Vivi and Fulgrim were hardly the town's most adept mafia killers, and they clearly had no power of their own.
I think Vivi's kill makes BC look fairly innocent here, in particular because they seemed to be connected through BC's roleclaim. If Vivi had been blue, then I would've suggested that Vivi had roleclaimed back or something, but because Vivi flipped green, it doesn't seem likely to me that BC would be involved. See if you can follow that logic, I'm not entirely sure it makes sense, had some stuff to drink a couple of hours ago, maybe I'll wake up tomorrow and find what I wrote makes no sense.
Oh, and then there's this.
On March 14 2010 14:44 L wrote: Citi.zen, if you feel so strongly about killing me, how's about we kill bill murray today and if I'm wrong, you kill me tomorrow.
Sounds like everyone wins.
Which is exactly what you did last game, and I don't believe for a moment. We all know you won't agree to die, and hold up the other end of this gambit if you're wrong, so why should we give it any weight this time?
L, what makes you think Bill Murray is mafia?
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L, what makes you think Bill Murray is mafia? Read the thread.
Also: Why would you give it weight? Because unlike in the last game, where I all but claimed Gambino in the thread when Gambino were down, I'm town. If I'm not, there aren't ulterior concerns like keeping the mafia families equal which would motivate us to not kill me.
So, put in another way, what's stopping town from accepting my offer on day 3? Pretty much nothing.
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On March 14 2010 14:44 L wrote: Citi.zen, if you feel so strongly about killing me, how's about we kill bill murray today and if I'm wrong, you kill me tomorrow.
Sounds like everyone wins.
Interesting suggestion. When we were mafia together 2 games ago you sacrificed a team-mate to gain credibility. AKA - I don't see how Bill's color "proves"anything about you.
BTW - ty for letting me live past the first night.
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On March 14 2010 15:16 L wrote: Read the thread. Also: Why would you give it weight? Because unlike in the last game, where I all but claimed Gambino in the thread when Gambino were down, I'm town. If I'm not, there aren't ulterior concerns like keeping the mafia families equal which would motivate us to not kill me. So, put in another way, what's stopping town from accepting my offer on day 3? Pretty much nothing.
One more thing: I never directly argued you should be lynched RIGHT NOW. I did say your actions make no sense this game. You are acting totally illogical. Your latest comment does not help your case any.
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On March 14 2010 15:16 L wrote: Read the thread.
I have.
I'm not convinced. I'm asking if you have another argument.
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Can you center things? I'm going to try.
Reasons why I'm the town miller. If you're the Town Miller: 1) you think you are green. (check) <- I wish you could literally check a box nike style. 2) you end up black. 3) the mod says so.
Firstly, I literally believe I am green. I got a green colored PM when the mod sent me a "your role". "you are a townie" god damn. I'm a fucking townie. this sucks shit. why did I have to blow it when I was something cool like a detective? IDK. I guess I'm a fuckup. Story of my life.
If I'm black, I kind of sort of account for it because it's one of the only possibilities of being a townie. I guess it gives it spice. "oh, i hope i'm not the miller. What if I get elected and they think I'm red? that will sure be fun trying to convince them that the mafia would only put forth their godfather............................ real fun. I like close games. I also like raping rivals...... whatever, though, glad i'm alive.
I've been drinking. That's why I'd be perfect if I'm black. Lynch me you guys. I don't care. I really don't. It will be better to lynch someone like me than to lynch a fuckin' medic. Keep them and the detectives alive, win this for me. I really want a town win here. If the town doesn't win, I'm going to drink so much that I'll throw up (i promise).
That being said, L, maybe you can find a way to hurt me more than having me lynched day 1. Win it for your mafia (if you're red; assuming you're red) . Let's end this stupid feud becaude I'll admit I can't keep up with you. You win. I'm sorry I killed you, I thought you were red, and I like to win. It was the worst decision I've made in mafai, including breaking the rules, or leaving a typo on purpose to prove a point. I like you, you are one of my favorite people, and I would have voted for you.
If flamewheel only knew........ I would be the perfect black. I am probably green.... 1/15 or 2/15 likely... what's that... hmmmmm 7.5? 5% 6%-13% likely. I just used a calculator in mafia, that's how much I care about this town.
What i was trying to say in my prior paragraph is this: let's assume that the mod decided what roles we would be........... who would be better suited as the miller besides me?
and before you all are like WTF red? let's think..... would the mafia let me post this?
they wouldn't.
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On March 14 2010 15:33 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2010 15:16 L wrote:L, what makes you think Bill Murray is mafia? Read the thread. I have. I'm not convinced. I'm asking if you have another argument. The guy participates in a vote swing, posts no content, goes from townie posting stupid 1 liners to posting incriminatory blocks of text. I don't see how he's even remotely unsuspicious to anyone. I can't wrap my head around the fact that every objective piece of behavior bill has given us is 100% mafia tells, yet he has an ardent bunch of semi-defenders who claim to be on the fence but don't really decide to push anyone.
That reeks so hard of scum, its unreal. The fact that I even need to restate the case makes me wonder what's going on here.
If abenson is mafia for the third game in a row, i'd be surprised, but whatever. I don't think we learn very much by killing him if he flips green.
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BloodyC0bbler:
Vivi57 tree.hugger Incognito Zona
Fulgrim Iaaan johnnyspazz CynanMachae
Did anyone else notice this?
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Also: Don't fucking lynch L you stupid people.............. He's obviously pulling a t_Co.
for those of you too pompous to read previous games because you feel like you are better than everyone else: (btw, ace is actually one to study people who are new and give them respect, you should try it ) pulling a t_co is when you differentiate from someone's opinion when you are both obviously green or pro-town like L is probably a veteran or what not (in my opinion), and you come across as being red.
Lynch me before L. He is more likely blue than me, as I am not blue. He might be red, but even if he is red, lynch someone like madnessman before him. L, imo, is the one i would have voted for if he was not going to lynch me.
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On March 14 2010 16:21 L wrote: Yeah BC's pretty legit.
Sarcasm much?
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On March 14 2010 16:23 Incognito wrote:Sarcasm much? Nope.
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On March 14 2010 16:25 L wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2010 16:23 Incognito wrote:On March 14 2010 16:21 L wrote: Yeah BC's pretty legit. Sarcasm much? Nope.
Why do you think the mafia are offing that list though? Seems like a bad idea unless they know all of these people are inno? Otherwise they're just exposing themselves.
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No sarcasm from me. I'm serious. "super serious" al gore style from south park when talking about a man bear pig... you don't want to fuck with a man bear pig, trust me. jeez.
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BTW, I'm green, I don't mind if you lynch me. I would be up in arms if you decided to and I was a detective, but i'm not. I'm either a townie or a miller, if you want to shut me up, go ahead, waste a lynch.
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c'mon people, give me some info.
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