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L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
March 14 2010 02:08 GMT
#621
And nothing of value was lost.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
Versatile
Profile Joined November 2008
United States396 Posts
March 14 2010 02:08 GMT
#622
On March 14 2010 10:50 Vivi57 wrote:
I'd be fine with an L lynch tomorrow. I've been suspicious of him from the start and was actually considering arranging a voteswitch off L to make him not pardoner myself.

Now L is going OMGUS towards bill over a clearly town intended wagon. He's either scum pushing for a mislynch to delay the town or he's town still butthurt about being killed last game and trying to get revenge.

But even though I wasn't there, I will stand behind keeping L out of office as a pro town play. He refused to claim as a dt, even denying being a dt completely, all the while talking about the "other" dt. Now he's pushing towards a townie's lynch. Seriously, don't let L get away with this so easily.


talk about last words...lmao.
"Over night The Conspiracy moves to eliminate a major threat to their plans. Many important officials are kidnapped and tortured, civilians are bombed and they use the spare ice to make delicious snow capped ice cream cones. Alas, someone has to die!"
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
March 14 2010 02:11 GMT
#623
Now L is going OMGUS towards bill over a clearly town intended wagon. He's either scum pushing for a mislynch to delay the town or he's town still butthurt about being killed last game and trying to get revenge.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
March 14 2010 02:13 GMT
#624
On March 14 2010 11:08 L wrote:
And nothing of value was lost.


ROLF - you're right, thanks to his last post nothing of value was lost. First coherent thing you've posted all game.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 14 2010 02:21 GMT
#625
someone actually killed Vivi Night 1?

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Vivi57
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States6599 Posts
March 14 2010 02:22 GMT
#626
ee han timing on my last post.
Flash hwaiting! Nal_rA forever!
d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
March 14 2010 02:40 GMT
#627
So Incognito, when are you planning on that roleclaim?
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
March 14 2010 03:04 GMT
#628
On March 14 2010 11:21 Ace wrote:
someone actually killed Vivi Night 1?

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I know right?
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
March 14 2010 03:06 GMT
#629
On March 14 2010 11:21 Ace wrote:
someone actually killed Vivi Night 1?

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha


Rofl, why would you hit vivi day 1
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
March 14 2010 03:15 GMT
#630
K, I will be spending parts of tonight, and tommorrow after work (im doing a morning shift, should be home early afternoon PST) and get a list going of people who have done some rather shifty behaviour the last few days. I will try to have some of that post up tonight, but i may drop part of it in the morning before work, and the rest after.

As for the mafia hits, Massive hilarity.

I will have a more comprehensive post up hopefully soon, but as I said, may take me awhile to do.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
March 14 2010 03:23 GMT
#631
BC why don't you post a list of people under the FOS first so we can debate while we sit here? I'd be ever so glad.
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
March 14 2010 03:29 GMT
#632
Xelin/malongo are two on my list atm for lack of decent posting.

and sidesprang/madnessman for being retards
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
March 14 2010 03:37 GMT
#633
just got back from a 13hr streak in the office, catching up with the thread now.
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
March 14 2010 03:39 GMT
#634
oh oops.
back to the underworld I go
carry on.
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
Vivi57
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States6599 Posts
March 14 2010 04:03 GMT
#635
Oh, and I just put all my posts in the archive
Flash hwaiting! Nal_rA forever!
Fulgrim
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States560 Posts
March 14 2010 04:31 GMT
#636
On March 14 2010 11:08 L wrote:
And nothing of value was lost.


haha thanks L. Its probably a good thing that I was killed, because I just got raped in the face by real life on friday and couldn't have really been active at all. GL town, I'm 3-0 in mafia, so don't let me down now.
One does not simply walk into mordor
madnessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1581 Posts
March 14 2010 04:44 GMT
#637
I have a question. Mafia KNOWS L is a confirmed blue role. And yet they don't kill him. Does nobody else find this odd?

On March 14 2010 04:59 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2010 04:47 Iaaan wrote:
I am disappointed that jeejee died, even if I can see how his vote switching was suspicious.
Definitely going to be interesting to go back and look at his posts, I remember that he was very persistent at calling people out.

Don't see how you can be disappointed that a green who actively tried to fuck with the town is gone via the day 1 lynch. This was probably one of the best day 1 lynches in history.


Just because people don't want you in a mayoral position... How does them make them trying to "fuck" with town? How can they be fucking with the town if we don't even know for certain that you're blue? Maybe you're mafia and they're actually doing the town a favor? It's pompous posts like this that caused me to change my vote.

And to those questioning my voting patterns... We have three of the most experienced players ALL RUNNING FOR MAYOR AND ALL CLAIMING BLUE. How can I vote with absolute certainty and without any qualms whatsoever when this is quite suspicious, and I am filled with uncertainty and suspecting that one of them might be lying..but don't know which one?
madnessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1581 Posts
March 14 2010 04:51 GMT
#638
PS. Isn't it equally likely that people trying to act nondescriptly and voting early on could be mafia too? As we saw in the last game, NONE of the swing voters for redtooth were mafia.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
March 14 2010 04:51 GMT
#639
On March 14 2010 13:44 madnessman wrote:
I have a question. Mafia KNOWS L is a confirmed blue role. And yet they don't kill him. Does nobody else find this odd?

Show nested quote +
On March 14 2010 04:59 L wrote:
On March 14 2010 04:47 Iaaan wrote:
I am disappointed that jeejee died, even if I can see how his vote switching was suspicious.
Definitely going to be interesting to go back and look at his posts, I remember that he was very persistent at calling people out.

Don't see how you can be disappointed that a green who actively tried to fuck with the town is gone via the day 1 lynch. This was probably one of the best day 1 lynches in history.


Just because people don't want you in a mayoral position... How does them make them trying to "fuck" with town? How can they be fucking with the town if we don't even know for certain that you're blue? Maybe you're mafia and they're actually doing the town a favor? It's pompous posts like this that caused me to change my vote.

And to those questioning my voting patterns... We have three of the most experienced players ALL RUNNING FOR MAYOR AND ALL CLAIMING BLUE. How can I vote with absolute certainty and without any qualms whatsoever when this is quite suspicious, and I am filled with uncertainty and suspecting that one of them might be lying..but don't know which one?



Not believing people's claim is all find and good. Its normal to not believe till someone proves it. However, when people literally at the very last few minutes of a vote attempt to swing it. It appears scummy. If a green is doing it, its still a bad move.

L is right, JeeJee's stunt was terrible. It doesn't matter that L would have or wouldn't have been in office from it. By causing a vote swing that late shows terrible play. It just can't be tolerated, ever.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
March 14 2010 04:52 GMT
#640
L has been acting like a retard in this game. Perhaps it's deliberate, perhaps not. All I know is that he has made no sense.

My head is still spinning over the claim/no claim/will claim later conversation.

Let's assume L is blue. After roles were assigned he immediately made a post with a soft-claim about being given a role which really makes him want to be mayor, even dropping the "other DT" pearl in there. Later on he tells Zona he is "on the right track" thinking L was blue/DT. At this point, if he is blue, he is CLEARLY a mafia target. His best chance to survive is to get elected, perhaps by a straight role-claim (worked pretty well for BC; remember BC stated expressly he planned to role-claim before the election even if vivi did not do it for him; he was just trying to gather more PM intel first). Yet L doesn't do this, instead preferring to lash out at everyone who calls him Blue/DT (calls them idiots who can't read, who are probably red too). It is not logical to make it 99% clear for the mafia you are blue, but keep the town guessing (unlike the mafia, the town doesn't know who is town aligned). Why bother to paint a target on your back but then confuse those who can protect you?

Then JeeJee gets lynched, and L goes on for 2 pages trying to defend JeeJee's pre-death accusations and his lynching. Since this was BC's decisions, all L had to say was "ask BC, I thought JeeJee was shifty but not top of my list". When I ask him about this defensive attitude he hits back (at me, of course):

On March 14 2010 09:04 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2010 09:00 citi.zen wrote:
Weak defense L. Feeling guilty about something other than the jeejee lynching? After all, BC decidedthat one alone. As far as I can tell you were still advocating killing BM. It's not like jeejee got hit at night

1) Nah, i said JeeJee should also be a target. Woulda preferred BM, but oh well.

2) If your team hits me, you're probably going to lose the game for your team. So tell them to hit someone else. I probably have a medic on me anyways.


Naturally, since I point a finger at him I must be red. Fortunately he tells us WHY he thinks I am red as well:

On March 14 2010 09:21 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2010 09:19 Foolishness wrote:
Someone called?

On March 14 2010 08:58 Abenson wrote:
This game sure seems slow...


NOBODY CARES!

On March 14 2010 09:09 Ace wrote:
whew, it sure is getting hot in here!


NOBODY CARES!...wait, you're not in this game...

Of all the voting that took place, madnessman had the most fishy outcome. He changed his vote 3 times I think (including the time after day ended), making citi.zen's voting pattern look normal. He also tried to change at the last minute to offset the amount of votes going on Incognito. Definitely something strange going on there.

While the swing on Incog is fishy as well, JeeJee turning up innocent probably indicates this was not mafia related.

Oh, you noticed citi.zen's voting pattern too. Good show. That would be the reason for my suspicion of him, as exemplified in the last two pages.


Ok, the man has a reason. Let us examine my "voting pattern":

On March 11 2010 11:51 citi.zen wrote:
Incognito.

Then L (soft?) role-claims.

On March 11 2010 12:48 citi.zen wrote:
I change my vote to L.

Then BC role-claims, with L saying he never did role-claim. Then changing his mind 20 more times.

On March 12 2010 04:37 citi.zen wrote:
Change my vote to BloodyC0bbler pretty please. With a cherry on top.

My final decisions, plainly explained right in the voting thread comes over 24h before Flamewheel's final tally on March 13 2010 11:13: choose to have both BC (clear blue claim) and L (soft blue claim) in office, since Incognito at that point had not claimed at all.

On March 12 2010 08:45 citi.zen wrote:
I change my vote to L (again). I want both of them in office, and BC seems to have plenty of votes at the moment.


Throughout the election I wanted elected officials to have blue, verifiable roles. I changed my vote to try to make that happen, as I explain concisely here:

On March 13 2010 12:53 citi.zen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2010 12:42 Foolishness wrote:
On March 13 2010 12:38 citi.zen wrote:
Thank you Zona. Finally someone else gets it: the dt is huge in this game, and needs to play ultra safe. The medic is another story, if there is a mafia driver (also huge, as 8've been saying). Don't trust... anyone right now, it's just day 1 (a looooong one, to be sure). Madnessman worries me. Foolishness too. Plus those trying to confuse dts. Also, I continue to be amazed at how articulate bill is this game. Night&day change, how can this be??


I'm not worried. You changed your vote 3 times during the day. I'm sure you'll have a different opinion tomorrow, of which I will be ready to do a good ol' nobody cares!

My vote did change, but my approach remained consistent: vote people who claimed blue. So yeah, you can hope I will change my mind. But will it happen? BOO!


Summary:

* L's actions during the election make no sense.
* His defensives stance after jeejee's lynching is a bit much for me.
* He is accusing me (and others, but I only have so much patience to put together careful posts) based on very flimsy "evidence", ignoring obvious and repeated explanations. This is not a pro-town person making an honest effort to figure anything out.
* vivi57's last post was oh-so-timely + Show Spoiler +
On March 14 2010 10:50 Vivi57 wrote:
I'd be fine with an L lynch tomorrow. I've been suspicious of him from the start and was actually considering arranging a voteswitch off L to make him not pardoner myself.

Now L is going OMGUS towards bill over a clearly town intended wagon. He's either scum pushing for a mislynch to delay the town or he's town still butthurt about being killed last game and trying to get revenge.

But even though I wasn't there, I will stand behind keeping L out of office as a pro town play. He refused to claim as a dt, even denying being a dt completely, all the while talking about the "other" dt. Now he's pushing towards a townie's lynch. Seriously, don't let L get away with this so easily.



Following this post L will probably try to call me red once again. He is wrong, and I am curious what he will come up with next. It had better be more innovative than the "voting pattern". + Show Spoiler +
In going through L's history to construct this post I can't help but notice how in-sync he is with Foolishness.
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