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I don't think RoL is mafia based on his vote for Chezinu which was pretty important.
I also don't think Scamp is red.
On November 01 2009 15:06 SugiuraMidori wrote:
I also only mention Infun has he was suspicious about the "what about the other posts" mention after L showed off his PM's, which to me sounds a lot like he knew there was more because he was the other person and perhaps something important was said.
I said that because if you look at L's PM transcript, the top message says "original message" above it. The most recent pm seen in a convo does not say "original message," which means that either L doctored it or left out more recent messages. I'm not the person in contact with L.
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On November 01 2009 15:06 SugiuraMidori wrote:
I know the town has been suspect over Scamp for some time, but I don't see how RoL is a better choice over say.. Pyrr or Shikyo that folks have been mentioning for some time now.
I really don't know why the town is suspect over me. People are talking like it's a given to off me, and that's kind of disturbing.
I don't think Vivi is a godfather, though I guess it's a possibility. Redtooth is more likely as he could be begging to get checked with his play. If one is a Godfather then the other is probably a blue, but it's far more likely that they're both green.
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On November 01 2009 14:41 motbob wrote:
I recommend Scamp and... RoL.
Yeah, I kind of want to hear this one too, Mr. Ialmostgotkilledforinactivity
I think Scamp should be one of our lynches definitely. He hasn't really done much and usually he just stays quiet when he is mafia. Although I guess he could be the medic, I remember one of his first games he got medic and went 3/3 with protects or something like that. So maybe we should wait on him, I say its a cointoss between Scamp being a Medic or Mafia.
Oh and just some food for thought on Infundi's posting.
On October 29 2009 23:41 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
why are they laughable? so you believe L's claim even though he hasn't done shit for town except advocate lynching Ace?
This is just attacking and trying to create doubt in a possible leader. Its done in a negative way, not a constructive one. IE: the goal was to cause mistrust, not get answers like other people did by questioning his reasoning and motivation for everything which he gave adequate answers for (most of it anyway)
On October 29 2009 23:57 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2009 23:50 Amber[LighT] wrote:
And I must be retarded since the three of you decided it would be a good idea to go ahead and vote for L despite the lack of discussion. Last night when I went to sleep the vote seemed to be Vivi vs. Chez vs. Redtooth and now you want to throw in L too? One day at a time bro we'll get to everyone on the list don't worry. lol, dude there's hardly been a page's worth of discussion on the merits of lynching any of those players seriously i can boil it down for you nice and fast chezinu - we want to lynch him because he posts random shit vivi - guys like Ace say he is stupid redtooth - some voting thing? the short answer is that the discussion on those 3 is limited and devoid of quality information. And no, time is not on the towns side as we cannot afford to miss lynches. If L is not lying mafia just won't hit him, and that's 1 less person they need to kill already.
On October 30 2009 08:12 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
if we don't lynch L the only semi acceptable candidate is Vivi
This one is my personal favorite. He recommends lynching L, someone we are pretty sure is innocent now and offers Vivi as the only other acceptable candidate.
For those with short term memory, that lynch went and killed Chezinu
On October 30 2009 09:18 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Yeah, the only reason is that voting Vivi would at least give the dt some info, assuming of course that she is the dt.
Really though I don't think any of the 3 have particularly great chances of being red.
Continues undermining our lynch.
On October 30 2009 11:03 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:wat? are you sure? i wanted to switch to Vivi
Oh the indifference this would of made, it would of tied and he would of died.
On October 30 2009 11:08 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2009 11:04 L wrote:On October 30 2009 11:03 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On October 30 2009 11:00 motbob wrote:
aaand you're dead. voting is closed wat? are you sure? i wanted to switch to Vivi 3 minutes late. No big deal, both candidates were fairly similar. Lets hope we get something good out of this. Yeah. Just on the off chance that Sugiura would gain info from it. But she says she has another way to confirm her sanity, so we'll see.
After the voting is over and Chezinu is a dead ducky.
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RoL -
regarding Chez/Vivi: like most people i thought there was about an equal chance of either being red. I figured Vivi would be a better pick since Sugiura said she had checked him, so she would know more about her sanity that way. Do really think, if I was red, that I would have forgotten to change my vote from L in order to ensure that not losing a kp? Not a chance. I would have done everything I could to get vivi lynched.
Then she says she can figure out her sanity anyway, I guess it was by checking BC and getting him lynched. But now she's still not sure? So we're still waiting on that one. No new information, other than that BC was a blue bg so the other bg is probably town too.
regarding L: since when are we "pretty sure" that he's innocent? As to my knowledge, he has not been rolechecked and has only made the somewhat dubious claim of being hit by a mad hatter bomb and protected. There is no way to prove whether this is true. L has done nothing to help the town neither before nor after the claim. There is nothing here that is "pretty sure." I think he should be the next person to be rolechecked, considering that he claimed and is still alive.
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lol the mafia has 1 KP. They can't afford to waste it on a Veteran. Even then they couldn't waste it. Of course he is still alive, if they even hit him once chances are the medic is just going to protect him rest of the time.
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when he roleclaimed, the mafia had 2 kp.
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ebwop: and as we saw, medic was protecting Sugiura last night.
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double post edit:
What my point is when I say that L roleclaimed and is still alive: that by checking him he can actually be confirmed against what he says without him dying. Not that the mafia hasn't killed him yet. This way we can actually be sure about something rather than just taking his word on it.
So who is Sugiura checking tonight?
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On November 01 2009 15:55 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I think Scamp should be one of our lynches definitely. He hasn't really done much and usually he just stays quiet when he is mafia. Although I guess he could be the medic, I remember one of his first games he got medic and went 3/3 with protects or something like that. So maybe we should wait on him, I say its a cointoss between Scamp being a Medic or Mafia.
Here's the thing. The only reason people want to lynch me is based on my behavior in the previous games I've played. That's it. I can't see how anything I've done is really that suspect. At the very least, there should be more suspects than just me being discussed.
I still don't think L is in the clear, and I'd like to hear more from him. Unless there is a lot going on behind the scenes which I am not a part of (very likely, actually, given Pyrr's silence and BC's sacrifice which was an absolute surprise to me) I really don't see any evidence that makes him not a suspect. Note that he voted Vivi toward the end of the day. Sure he posted his reasoning, reasoning I agreed with. He acted on it and I didn't. Had I done so, Chez would still be alive. Certainly not ironclad evidence or anything like that, but if L were mafia he'd obviously want to keep Chez alive.
If I were mafia I would have voted for Vivi. I was mafia when Vivi was one minute too late to vote to save himself when he was mafia. I wouldn't make that mistake.
I also actually curious as to why the mafia hasn't given up yet. They've only got 1 KP, things are going to be very slow and very difficult given the DT situation. Sure the Godfather is out there which will make things more challenging, but there's got to be something out there that's giving the mafia hope that they can possibly win.
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motbob
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One thing to note: the Chez vote doesn't absolve either Pyrr or RoL (or me for that matter) completely. They might have just been sacing Chez, although that's sort of unlikely.
And ya, RoL isn't the best candidate for lynch. Y'all are right. I'll probably just vote for Scamp at first when day breaks.
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On November 01 2009 16:40 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
double post edit:
What my point is when I say that L roleclaimed and is still alive: that by checking him he can actually be confirmed against what he says without him dying. Not that the mafia hasn't killed him yet. This way we can actually be sure about something rather than just taking his word on it.
So who is Sugiura checking tonight?
1)) I am Crooked Sanity, already took care of that.
2)) Checked Shikyo the moment night post was there, he came back as blue (not going to say the type), so still a chance at GF.
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On November 01 2009 18:29 motbob wrote:
One thing to note: the Chez vote doesn't absolve either Pyrr or RoL (or me for that matter) completely. They might have just been sacing Chez, although that's sort of unlikely.
And ya, RoL isn't the best candidate for lynch. Y'all are right. I'll probably just vote for Scamp at first when day breaks.
Don't forget we still get two votes.
So we can also add one of these: Vivi, Pyrr, L, etc as you guys choose.. (though I think we need to make a choice sooner rather than later so we can speed the game along a bit.
My fun time is really only at night ;P
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On November 01 2009 18:29 motbob wrote:
And ya, RoL isn't the best candidate for lynch. Y'all are right. I'll probably just vote for Scamp at first when day breaks.
Please explain why. All these auto-votes for me is just giving me the assumption that you guys are just guessing with no good reasoning.
Also if you really want to make the case that voting for Chez doesn't absolve you of suspicion, then you should still be under suspicion too.
On November 01 2009 19:00 SugiuraMidori wrote:
Don't forget we still get two votes.
So we can also add one of these: Vivi, Pyrr, L, etc as you guys choose.. (though I think we need to make a choice sooner rather than later so we can speed the game along a bit.
My fun time is really only at night ;P
And now I really get annoyed. If you put L under consideration then you cannot just automatically have me die.
I'd also prefer it if we get the whole town involved instead of a "choice" consisting of about three people.
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motbob
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On November 02 2009 01:06 Scamp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2009 18:29 motbob wrote:
And ya, RoL isn't the best candidate for lynch. Y'all are right. I'll probably just vote for Scamp at first when day breaks. Please explain why. All these auto-votes for me is just giving me the assumption that you guys are just guessing with no good reasoning. Also if you really want to make the case that voting for Chez doesn't absolve you of suspicion, then you should still be under suspicion too.
Yes, which is exactly what I said. L2Mafia
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I'm rather busy sorting through a lot of information in PMs regarding roleclaims and DT checks and whatnot, but I'm pretty sure I've found someone who is flat out lying.
Will post a bit more after I finish showering and getting my thoughts in order.
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On November 01 2009 18:57 SugiuraMidori wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2009 16:40 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
double post edit:
What my point is when I say that L roleclaimed and is still alive: that by checking him he can actually be confirmed against what he says without him dying. Not that the mafia hasn't killed him yet. This way we can actually be sure about something rather than just taking his word on it.
So who is Sugiura checking tonight? 1)) I am Crooked Sanity, already took care of that. 2)) Checked Shikyo the moment night post was there, he came back as blue (not going to say the type), so still a chance at GF.
oh, i'm sorry. when i read this after the lynch
6. Bloodyc0bbler <-- Used him for my sanity check.. means I'm either Crooked or Insane
i thought you meant that you still didn't know your sanity after he died. apologies
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On November 02 2009 03:44 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2009 18:57 SugiuraMidori wrote:On November 01 2009 16:40 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
double post edit:
What my point is when I say that L roleclaimed and is still alive: that by checking him he can actually be confirmed against what he says without him dying. Not that the mafia hasn't killed him yet. This way we can actually be sure about something rather than just taking his word on it.
So who is Sugiura checking tonight? 1)) I am Crooked Sanity, already took care of that. 2)) Checked Shikyo the moment night post was there, he came back as blue (not going to say the type), so still a chance at GF. oh, i'm sorry. when i read this after the lynch Show nested quote +6. Bloodyc0bbler <-- Used him for my sanity check.. means I'm either Crooked or Insane i thought you meant that you still didn't know your sanity after he died. apologies
I didn't actually, I was holding out... but then I did the calculations of a GF wanting to show up as a red... and the odds were stupid low xD So I decided to claim crooked and get all the right roles, etc.
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With your Redtooth/Vivi57 checks they were green and BC was your blue check. You had your confirmation :D
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Hmm my inactivity is going to hopefully go down a bit tomorrow
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Oh so some people are planning on lynching me? Well this always happens I guess.
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