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On October 30 2009 00:23 L wrote:
Except that the DT has already checked me on day 1 and can already confirm that if i'm blue, i'm vet. I need 1 more lynch for him to be certain of his sanity if we don't hit another blue, which is why we're pre-picking someone tonight to get that squared away. More to the point, how is this 'no help from me'. What do you want me to do? Shoot a magic wand at the game and magically make us win on day 3?
That would be so nice if you could do that.
But really, I just noted that everyone respects you as this great player and you've done nothing to help the town other than criticize. Then you complain about dying early every game and then you do nothing to help Ace not get killed. Then you are the veteran who didn't claim earlier when there was a plan in effect to do so but now is a good time to do so? Because you won't get killed now while you would have earlier?
It just doesn't make sense to me.
On October 30 2009 00:23 L wrote:That's why he claimed to me; because all the facts add up.
I thought he claimed to you because he protected you last night and got a message confirming that he protected you from something. Has anyone else claimed to you, by the way?
On October 30 2009 00:23 L wrote:And i'm not ignoring you. The entire set of PMs was given out specifically because you asked why I claimed. I'm rather glad you're actually posting this game; whether its because you knew i'd try to kill you if you stayed silent or because you're not mafia for once is still up in the air for me, but at least you aren't suicide bombing me.
Good times. That was an interesting mafia game for me. I showed up two days late (I forget why) and right when I get there I have to blow myself up.
Sorry I'm railing so much on you. I just really think you're mafia. 
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On October 30 2009 00:22 Amber[LighT] wrote:Up until today she's put more effort into this game than you did. All of a sudden you want to analyze the town and actually take part in discussion. Voting for Vivi is more than just "I'm following sugiura," but when you think about it, let's take out of the people that aren't doing much to contribute. These people are worse than inactives, and sometimes mafia will have about 50% of their team play the inactive role so they stay under the radar. This is such a typical case especially when the mayor and pardoner are not red (which I believe is the case in this game). I'm not saying because you didn't post in the past two day cycles that you're opinion is worthless to me, but let's try to take to take a logical approach and separate the town into groups..... ugh i was talking to my boss about something and completely lost my train of thought with this. Let me get back to this when it pops in my head again 
I like how effort = posting. You know who really put the most effort into this game? Ace. What happened to Ace? Oh right, he's dead. And you had a hand in that.
And why are you comparing me to her? And why haven't you pointed me to the discussion that got you to vote for Vivi?
But please, do try to separate the town into groups. I'd like to hear what you come up with.
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Then you are the veteran who didn't claim earlier when there was a plan in effect to do so but now is a good time to do so? The plan was to have a DT check someone who we pick during the night, then have him check a claimed vet the next day to confirm his sanity. Ace didn't check someone who was picked so revealing myself wouldn't confirm his sanity. Revealing myself at that point would have been a shit use of a roleclaim given the reasons posted above. Since I am common a target for mafia to hit, wasting my ability to soak up a hit would have been a waste.
I didn't 'complain' about being hit early, i factored it into my decision as to whether or not I should roleclaim.
It just doesn't make sense to me. That's because you aren't reading the thread. I just told you the answer to all of these things, and now I'm repeating them because you couldn't be bothered to read.
I thought he claimed to you because he protected you last night and got a message confirming that he protected you from something. Has anyone else claimed to you, by the way?
Uh, a DT has claimed to me after I asked a DT to check me. This was pretty obvious in my last post. I didn't really want to reveal the confirmed existence of the second DT, but he claimed to me based on the fact that he checked me on day 1 and turned up veteran.
I'd have REALLLLLLLLLY have preferred to not make this information public, but if I die to some highly suspicious wagoning from people who have been largely inactive until the last 2 pages, I would fucking go on tilt.
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On October 30 2009 00:53 Scamp wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2009 00:22 Amber[LighT] wrote:Up until today she's put more effort into this game than you did. All of a sudden you want to analyze the town and actually take part in discussion. Voting for Vivi is more than just "I'm following sugiura," but when you think about it, let's take out of the people that aren't doing much to contribute. These people are worse than inactives, and sometimes mafia will have about 50% of their team play the inactive role so they stay under the radar. This is such a typical case especially when the mayor and pardoner are not red (which I believe is the case in this game). I'm not saying because you didn't post in the past two day cycles that you're opinion is worthless to me, but let's try to take to take a logical approach and separate the town into groups..... ugh i was talking to my boss about something and completely lost my train of thought with this. Let me get back to this when it pops in my head again I like how effort = posting. You know who really put the most effort into this game? Ace. What happened to Ace? Oh right, he's dead. And you had a hand in that. And why are you comparing me to her? And why haven't you pointed me to the discussion that got you to vote for Vivi? But please, do try to separate the town into groups. I'd like to hear what you come up with.
Ace made the mistake that he himself scrutinizes other players for in other mafia games all the time.
His effort was counter-productive to the town. Did you read what he was posting? How useful was it to the town for him to insult all of us for not agreeing with his plan?
I'm comparing you to her because you two should be compared. Why can't I do that?
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On October 30 2009 01:04 L wrote:Show nested quote +I thought he claimed to you because he protected you last night and got a message confirming that he protected you from something. Has anyone else claimed to you, by the way?
Uh, a DT has claimed to me after I asked a DT to check me. This was pretty obvious in my last post. I didn't really want to reveal the confirmed existence of the second DT, but he claimed to me based on the fact that he checked me on day 1 and turned up veteran.
And the part about the medic? About him claiming to you because the facts added up?
On October 30 2009 01:04 L wrote:
I'd have REALLLLLLLLLY have preferred to not make this information public, but if I die to some highly suspicious wagoning from people who have been largely inactive until the last 2 pages, I would fucking go on tilt.
Then you'll know how Ace feels.
What information are you making public? Stuff that you said is really obvious in your last post?
All I've ever wanted is some direction from you. Simple, really. You're working with some DT and a Medic (at least) and pre-picking someone to check and kill to confirm you. All this despite the fact that the DT has already claimed to you and therefore trusts you. I sure hope you manage to pick someone non-blue on this attempt.
Furthermore, you haven't voted for a lynch once. Why is this?
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On October 30 2009 01:26 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Ace made the mistake that he himself scrutinizes other players for in other mafia games all the time.
His effort was counter-productive to the town. Did you read what he was posting? How useful was it to the town for him to insult all of us for not agreeing with his plan?
I'm comparing you to her because you two should be compared. Why can't I do that?
I read what Ace was posting. It wasn't counter-productive to the town. It was just alienating and annoying. But it certainly had it's uses.
I said you can't compare us because I asked you why she got to call the shots for your vote. You voted long before I started talking. I guess you can compare us if you really want to, it just isn't viable for what I asked and merely serves as a distraction.
I'd still like you to organize us into groups. I'd also like you to explain what information we got from Ace's lynch.
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On October 30 2009 01:04 L wrote:Show nested quote +Then you are the veteran who didn't claim earlier when there was a plan in effect to do so but now is a good time to do so? The plan was to have a DT check someone who we pick during the night, then have him check a claimed vet the next day to confirm his sanity. Ace didn't check someone who was picked so revealing myself wouldn't confirm his sanity. Revealing myself at that point would have been a shit use of a roleclaim given the reasons posted above. Since I am common a target for mafia to hit, wasting my ability to soak up a hit would have been a waste. I didn't 'complain' about being hit early, i factored it into my decision as to whether or not I should roleclaim. That's because you aren't reading the thread. I just told you the answer to all of these things, and now I'm repeating them because you couldn't be bothered to read. Show nested quote +I thought he claimed to you because he protected you last night and got a message confirming that he protected you from something. Has anyone else claimed to you, by the way?
Uh, a DT has claimed to me after I asked a DT to check me. This was pretty obvious in my last post. I didn't really want to reveal the confirmed existence of the second DT, but he claimed to me based on the fact that he checked me on day 1 and turned up veteran. I'd have REALLLLLLLLLY have preferred to not make this information public, but if I die to some highly suspicious wagoning from people who have been largely inactive until the last 2 pages, I would fucking go on tilt.
Go on Tilt then.
Seriously, you didnt follow through on any of the town plans. and a dt day 1 checks you and you flip vet and get a rc? The chances of the sane dt/drugged dt checking you day 1, then keeping their mouth shut for ages KNOWING what the plan was. Seriously, you wonder why your on the edge.
Then the whole "i die all the time on day 2 so i didnt want to die again" guess what yo, IF you had roleclaimed earlier, you claim vet, and a med puts prot on you, and voila you couldn't have been killed, dts can then prove sanity (even if it takes a day longer). I will admit Ive been far less active than normal this game in terms of normal playing, but your behaviour is completely out of sync with town objectives, + you pushed to kill a public official you voted into office.
So your asking town to believe you because of a medic, and a dt. both of which are unnamed, then we have someone who has claimed dt, told us who they checked, and that they both flipped the same colour to rolecheck (now this doesn't do much without another check but still). Whereas your trying to create a circle of townies behind the scene, while doing pretty well nothing in the towns favour but saying "hey guys, i know that i was supposed to help out with dt sanity a day or so ago but lawl lets do it now and waste another 1-2 days k?" Yes a circle could help, but not in the hands of someone whos been playing so damn selfish all game.
If a dt actually checked you, you dying and flipping would most likely confirm their legimacy now (they had to have checked someone last night no?)
as i said again, if you were vet, with one med you couldnt die, not sure why you went about this "omg i might die" when the chances of you actually dying were nothing if a med protected you, much like they could continuously do if need be, but your current behaviour isn't particularly town favoured, untop of the fact as a vet its your job to soak hits. As you aren't really helping prove dt sanity, and your not doing what the role dictates or what the town agreed on, doesnt look good for you.
Want to live, Make more compelling arguments because well shikyo has been using chez as a mouthpiece most of the game(he rolled with it because shikyo took advantage of knowing no one would talk to the guy all game). But since no one will bandwagon kill someone who is almost certaintly red, we need to take a 50-50 chance here.
Also, both vivi and redtooth wont be red (would be wtf team and not balanced) so when they both flipped the same colour via our claimed dt, they were both proved town, yet vivi is still a lynch target.
Also, if nothing else, at least vote today, pretty sure two missed votes is a modkill regardless.
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On October 30 2009 01:26 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2009 00:53 Scamp wrote:On October 30 2009 00:22 Amber[LighT] wrote:Up until today she's put more effort into this game than you did. All of a sudden you want to analyze the town and actually take part in discussion. Voting for Vivi is more than just "I'm following sugiura," but when you think about it, let's take out of the people that aren't doing much to contribute. These people are worse than inactives, and sometimes mafia will have about 50% of their team play the inactive role so they stay under the radar. This is such a typical case especially when the mayor and pardoner are not red (which I believe is the case in this game). I'm not saying because you didn't post in the past two day cycles that you're opinion is worthless to me, but let's try to take to take a logical approach and separate the town into groups..... ugh i was talking to my boss about something and completely lost my train of thought with this. Let me get back to this when it pops in my head again I like how effort = posting. You know who really put the most effort into this game? Ace. What happened to Ace? Oh right, he's dead. And you had a hand in that. And why are you comparing me to her? And why haven't you pointed me to the discussion that got you to vote for Vivi? But please, do try to separate the town into groups. I'd like to hear what you come up with. Ace made the mistake that he himself scrutinizes other players for in other mafia games all the time. His effort was counter-productive to the town. Did you read what he was posting? How useful was it to the town for him to insult all of us for not agreeing with his plan? I'm comparing you to her because you two should be compared. Why can't I do that?
as a note, ace always argues with people and bullies them for disagreeing with him, it merely gets worse with each coming game, and is normally especially worse when hes a blue role. His plans weren't so much as counter productive as they were different from what had been proposed and agreed on, but he even said that he had a plan he was going to push on day 2. For someone who went after ace for "counter productivity" the fact you've left L's roleclaim alone after it didnt go along with the town plans at all, and isnt voting period (risking modkill) dunno why youd want to keep him around.
seriously, Why can't I just rhyme all game without letting shit fall apart.
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And the part about the medic? About him claiming to you because the facts added up? No, the Dt claimed to me because the facts added up.
The medic claimed to me because they protected me, but didn't realize that they could stop hatter bombs. That's why I've asked people to not confide any additional information to me until there is assured evidence of my being blue.
What information are you making public? Stuff that you said is really obvious in your last post?
All I've ever wanted is some direction from you. Simple, really. You're working with some DT and a Medic (at least) and pre-picking someone to check and kill to confirm you. All this despite the fact that the DT has already claimed to you and therefore trusts you. I sure hope you manage to pick someone non-blue on this attempt.
The timing of the DT certainty is what i revealed. Mafia might have believed, like you, that they had 3 days of fucking around time, but now they know that unless they kill the DT tonight, they're in for a world of trouble.
The DT figured on the balance of probabilities that the likelihood of him getting a blue 'veteran' check on me and me claiming veteran without even knowing that he checked me was enough proof for him to trust me.
I don't want to give anyone directions regarding roleclaiming until people can be iron-clad in their certainty that I am who I say I am because unlike Ace I'm not going around asking people for information that could harm the town. I don't want to ask people to make a leap of faith and trust me, I just want them to look at their available options and pick the best ones available to them. At this point, I wouldn't claim to me unless I knew what these two players do, so I'm not going to tell everyone to believe me.
Furthermore, you haven't voted for a lynch once. Why is this? I normally vote very close to the end of the voting period so that I can take in the maximum amount of thread and voting information before making my choice, which means that I sometime end up not being able to get to a computer prior to voting. You can see this in prior games if you feel like going to check. As for not having 'voted' for lynch, I was pretty adamant that I'd kill Tricode on our first day until he started producing content and I didn't hide the fact that Ace was playing like a sack of donkeyballs the second day, so its not like I play neutral.
As for you, you've voted to abstain during the Ace vote, which is odd because you're all over everyone else's balls about how that vote turned out. You could have easily made the case for someone else over him and tried to actually vote for them. I actually took a side and put something on the line, you stayed silent. Why is this? Why is it that you try to criticize me for things you're double guilty of and fail to read my points?
and a dt day 1 checks you and you flip vet and get a rc? The dt claimed after I asked for a DT check today. I had no idea there was another DT and was kinda throwing it out there as a shot in the dark because I honestly believed we had a single DT until I decided to balls up and ask.
I don't think anyone knew there was another DT to check until I got RC'd to either, nor have you been posting. I asked you specifically to start thinking and start producing content and you flat out refused me. I'm glad you decided to start posting, though.
As for voting today, I obviously will be.
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On October 30 2009 01:36 Scamp wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2009 01:26 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Ace made the mistake that he himself scrutinizes other players for in other mafia games all the time.
His effort was counter-productive to the town. Did you read what he was posting? How useful was it to the town for him to insult all of us for not agreeing with his plan?
I'm comparing you to her because you two should be compared. Why can't I do that? I read what Ace was posting. It wasn't counter-productive to the town. It was just alienating and annoying. But it certainly had it's uses. I said you can't compare us because I asked you why she got to call the shots for your vote. You voted long before I started talking. I guess you can compare us if you really want to, it just isn't viable for what I asked and merely serves as a distraction. I'd still like you to organize us into groups. I'd also like you to explain what information we got from Ace's lynch.
After the night post came out I wasn't exactly thinking "Hey I wonder what Scamp would do in this situation" because I didn't care. You didn't give me a reason to care up until maybe a page ago.
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On October 29 2009 08:48 SugiuraMidori wrote:
I don't want to sound suspicious by throwing the town back and forth, but this had to be brought up, and apparently I am not breaking rules by doing this after all..
All right then, I'm having a heck of a time trying to figure something out now... maybe town can help better... So here I lay out my thoughts as best I can..
I know that Vivi and Redtooth are on the same team because they both checked as blue, meaning they're the same color. Since the town has been adamant about one or the other having been red almost all game, I figured that blue meant red (implying I'm either paranoid or crooked).
However, and this is something I really don't know how to explain, but with a little help from a PM from tricode made a bit of sense... I have had a gut feeling that Shikyo is doing a hella good job as GF and been playing me this whole time since I generally trust him ever since the game where he was Mayer and I was Mafia. Additionally, Tricode mentioned that Pyrr has still been acting suspiciously and thus could be red (fitting with needing a vet on the mafia team) and then there's Chez, whom others have been saying is acting exactly like when he was red in another game....
This kind of leaves us with two options, each of which has nearly equal consequences:
1) I am right about my sanity, due to town and my own observations we somehow managed to find two living red players that I conveniently checked and saw they are on the same team.
2) I'm totally wrong about my sanity and my gut feelings should be used..
In the case of (2) we would end up voting with something based on a gut feeling instead of possible fact, perhaps nabbing a mafia, and of course everyone would like a red team of Pyrr, Chez, and Shikyo better than a red team of Vivi57, redtooth, Scamp which has no obvious vet players (since we must add judge) ... the latter option of course would confirm my sanity, be more unbelievable, and possibly not get us any mafia killed.
If Pyrr had bothered to tell us the bodyguards, and pretend it's Vivi and Redtooth for a moment, well for some miraculous reason I checked them and they are on the same team.. meaning that mafia subbed in two reds or no reds.. which Pyrr of course couldn't tell us (and sure wouldn't if he was red ^_^)
I seriously don't know what to do with these checks, and I can obviously only confirm that they are on the same team since they both came up blue (meaning one of them is NOT the GF) and just now I realized that one could be a non-red and the other a godfather..
I really don't know how to interpret this now.. I was so sure before, but now I'm lost.. please help town :/
Here is how I would interpret this.
We know Ace's DT status turned Reds into Blues Right? So the chance of you being that is significantly lower.
You checked two people that showed up as blue. Chances are they are both green, I doubt either of them would end up the mafia. So here is what we have assuming certain circumstances that
Ace was either insane or paranoid. You can't be those because neither see a green as a blue.
that means you are now either a Crooked DT or a neurotic DT.
The next thing you do is Check L, if you get back red then you are a crooked DT, if you get back green you are a Neurotic DT. Simple as that. I doubt we even need to kill Vivi57 or redtooth, but I voted them just so you can be super sure!
Oh and further help here, a DT checked L and showed up a Blue vet, L claimed his role later on in the game which confirmed what the DT checked.
Meaning that DT is one of two things, a Sane or Drugged DT. Even if L is the godfather faking Vet, this will still confirm your sanity.
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On October 30 2009 02:07 L wrote:
As for you, you've voted to abstain during the Ace vote, which is odd because you're all over everyone else's balls about how that vote turned out. You could have easily made the case for someone else over him and tried to actually vote for them. I actually took a side and put something on the line, you stayed silent. Why is this? Why is it that you try to criticize me for things you're double guilty of and fail to read my points?
You mean I don't get to use what happened with Ace as evidence because I stayed silent? Alrighty, if you say so. And you can certainly point the finger at me of doing some of the things I'm accusing you of. I'll admit to that, and that's fair. Although you really haven't done that until right now, and it's not really a defense of yourself. I'll defend myself when there's a case against me.
You took a side you say? You put something on the line? No you didn't. Your "side" was that Ace was playing like ass. You didn't put anything on the line.
I'm not failing to read your points (though I did get confused as to who claimed to you by adding up the facts. My bad.) I just don't believe you. This medic and DT friend of yours cannot be confirmed. And if that's the case, why reveal them now? Now the mafia knows they have less time than they might have thought? I don't see how that's useful. What were the other reasons for revealing the medic and a DT are in your pocket? I must have failed to read that point.
On October 29 2009 23:46 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2009 22:24 L wrote:Okay, so someone asked me why I claimed, and I dealt with the question best to my knowledge, while talking to the medic in PMs. Here's a transcript of what was said. Feel free to ask me anymore questions. Original Message L :
Different situation today gave me a different goal. Because I was claimed to, and I now have the ability to form a group of confirmed townies. In order to confirm myself I needed to reach out and ask to see if a second DT was in the game. The only alternative would have been to out you to the public to get blue names, but the problem would be that you would die in the process.
At this point I don't want to die for the above reasons whereas before I wanted to get hit. Now that they know i'm going to take 2 days of full kp, i'm almost unhittable from a mafia perspective which gives me enough protection to stay alive while a DT finishes their sanity check and then confirms my role. At that point I become a mouth for every blue in the game, and we win relatively quickly.
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Original Message Medic:
WIth that logic, what was the point in claiming Vet now? You got protected, you just needed to say you were protected. Not that you were a vet (which means they won't try and hit you again most likely) While the plan prior gave them incentive to try and kill you.
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Original Message L:
The reasoning is pretty obvious; The job of a vet is to get hit. Claiming when we don't achieve the goal that we set out to achieve under conditions when I know i'm going to get hit (I've been hit on day 2 or day 3 for five games in a row) completely invalidates the role.
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Original Message Medic:
I still think you should of role claimed earlier and don't get why you didn't, I don't get the reasoning. Even if Ace said he checked Judge, before he even came forward with that I think I said the Vet should of role called then. Read from the bottom upwards. I haven't asked the medic if I can post this, so I've taken the liberty of slightly changing his statements so that its harder to figure out who he is from the writing style. The meaning and content of his questions, however, are not changed, and besides for the single bold note I put in, my messages, however, are directly copy/pasted. Why did you leave out the most recent message(s)?
Did you ever answer this question?
Also, you've confirmed a third DT, not a second one, unless you think Sugiura is a liar.
On October 30 2009 02:25 Amber[LighT] wrote:
After the night post came out I wasn't exactly thinking "Hey I wonder what Scamp would do in this situation" because I didn't care. You didn't give me a reason to care up until maybe a page ago.
This is a very good point. Too bad it's in no way related to anything I asked you. Your hostility is misguided and it's obvious questioning you is getting nowhere. Now get busy organizing people into groups.
RoL what are you doing?
And I'm away for 4 hours.
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I am going to a concert tonight, so my vote won't change from Chezinu for rest of the cycle. I think any vote changes will in nature be suspicious regardless of reasoning. Vivi and Redtooth are almost guaranteed greens. Nothing short of killing them both can prove it anymore than it is.
Now I will post about behavior. I feel like during the Ace lynch many people tried to just stay out of it, and I really was confused about that. That was the only thing that made me doubt Ace was red, rest of his behavior screamed selfish. It came down to 4 votes on Ace that made him hang.
During this me and Shikyo were attacking Ace relentlessly, saying how he was either playing like a mafia or playing like shit. It turns out the latter was the truth. L was around enough to agree with us and argue with Ace for a little bit but never actually voted for Ace despite that.
In itself I would say that is a suspicious action, but look at the situation L is in now. If a DT dies or a medic we kill him, he made sure the entire town knew what was happening. He clearly made it so the Medic and DT feel safe because he put himself out there saying he was called to, meaning if they die L dies.
A mafia would probably try his best to worm into that circle, but wouldn't try and start it. That would be L's head in a matter of two days if it was true. The main supporting factor behind this is they mafia can't afford to lose another member. If the mafia lose another member their KP drops to 1 at which point we are even with them in regards to KP and have them about 13-2 population wise.
That's it for L. As for as I am concerned he has more to lose as mafia then he would to gain. What L needs to worry about is infiltration. The mafia ideally want L dead, but want the town to do it since 2 hits on him is an entire night of kills gone. So we need to tread very carefully and L needs to be even more alert considering how the mafia will probably try and set him up to be lynched.
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On October 30 2009 01:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Want to live, Make more compelling arguments because well shikyo has been using chez as a mouthpiece most of the game(he rolled with it because shikyo took advantage of knowing no one would talk to the guy all game).
One single time instead of "most of the game", sorry. In the thread he said a mafia has been giving him orders. Would he say that if we both were mafia? Think so? Or even if he himself was mafia? Maybe I could be mafia and he could be innocent, believe that if you like.
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On October 30 2009 04:48 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2009 01:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Want to live, Make more compelling arguments because well shikyo has been using chez as a mouthpiece most of the game(he rolled with it because shikyo took advantage of knowing no one would talk to the guy all game). One single time instead of "most of the game", sorry. In the thread he said a mafia has been giving him orders. Would he say that if we both were mafia? Think so? Or even if he himself was mafia? Maybe I could be mafia and he could be innocent, believe that if you like.
Thats typically how this game works.
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On October 30 2009 04:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2009 04:48 Shikyo wrote:On October 30 2009 01:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Want to live, Make more compelling arguments because well shikyo has been using chez as a mouthpiece most of the game(he rolled with it because shikyo took advantage of knowing no one would talk to the guy all game). One single time instead of "most of the game", sorry. In the thread he said a mafia has been giving him orders. Would he say that if we both were mafia? Think so? Or even if he himself was mafia? Maybe I could be mafia and he could be innocent, believe that if you like. Thats typically how this game works.
um what?
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Your "side" was that Ace was playing like ass. Which ended up getting him killed. I fully stand by the fact that it was my responsibility because I did think it was the right move at the time. Your abstaining, on the other hand had the exact same effect; you refused to come to his aid when he needed it, but you did so as to feign disinterest, not a commitment to the lynch result.
I really don't see how you could be a larger hypocrite when it comes to this.
What were the other reasons for revealing the medic and a DT are in your pocket? I must have failed to read that point. The medic was revealed the moment i got hit, because people who get hit should always make that public. The DT was because you thought I was going to be doing nothing for 3 days and had no plan which was why you were so ragin' cajun on me.
Short version: You are.
Did you ever answer this question? You could probably do it for me; that segment of our conversation was linked to why I had claimed when I claimed. Could it be that we talked about something else afterwards which I'd rather not have the mafia know about? Whoa.
This medic and DT friend of yours cannot be confirmed. And if that's the case, why reveal them now? The medic is confirmed to me; He saved me from a hit. The DT could be non-confirmed, but I know that his ability should accurately pinpoint blue roles, so he's fucked if I ever cross-check a rolecheck. If he's mafia, he can't kill me prior to me knowing he's a liar. Seeing as he's going to be used, in part, to confirm blues, he's just sealed his fate if he's lying. Based on some information I just got, I'm probably going to have him check a few blues prior to letting them into the circle.
Also, you've confirmed a third DT, not a second one, unless you think Sugiura is a liar. I have no idea if Sugiura is a DT, and if she is why she would claim publicly without some immediate payoff. I kinda think she's still a hatter trying to get blown up, since that explains the lists and the suicidal behavior.
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I'm really tired due to surgerying, so i'm going to take a nap.
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