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Tricode
Profile Joined January 2009
United States538 Posts
October 29 2009 01:53 GMT
#1001
Vivi57: 4
SugiuraMidori
Amber[LighT]
Chezinu (from Scamp)
redtooth
Chezinu (from redtooth)

Scamp: 0
Chezinu

Chezinu: 4
Pyrrhuloxia (x2)
motbob
Vivi57

SugiuraMidori, the only problem with Pyrr being in the same team as Chez is that Pyrr double voted on him.
1, 2, he is coming for you. Kill the C0bbler!
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
October 29 2009 01:54 GMT
#1002
Oh boy! The game just got a lot more interesting!

SugiuraMidori, you don't know everything, but let's just say for now that umm... you're overestimating my skills.


Looking forward to see how Scamp vs L turns out, hopefully I'll have something interesting for you guys tomorrow.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
October 29 2009 01:59 GMT
#1003
I have something to say, Something that I once said a year ago and have talked about it in every mafia game I played.

On November 08 2008 16:05 Chezinu wrote:
I hereby speak to up hold the last words of Ace,

We, the greens, shall unite with red to eliminate our common enemy! For we greens are tools and are subject to be enslaved by either to the reds or blues! We have a choice. We need change! Our previous government has failed us because our mayor neglected to negotiate peace! We need better diplomatic polices! Government need to have more control! With this alliance we will be united together! Red and green! We shall be melted together and form a brown state. I am no longer a green, but a brown.

Hear me my fellow mafia!

Uphold the values set by Ace and declare yourself and fight the good fight! For we brown don’t coward, but we openly reveal ourselves! Unlike like to cowardly blues! The blues talk only about sadness and complain only about the lost of their own kind. We lost 5 great men. 4 of which were greens that weren’t even mourned for. I hereby declare a moment of silence for the greens and reds we have lost…
(please stop reading for a few seconds, show some respect)
Mafia if you know what is best, you will send a pm revealing yourself so that we can united together, not as reds or greens. But become one, a solid color that will not disperse from any solvent polar or non-polar. Brown
From this day forward, we shall be known as the BROWN MANIFESTO!
Now I will turn over the floor to [GiTM]-Ace

PS. Please march around the streets wearing brown.

edit: for further information on the color brownClick Here!
lol, clueless in The Prism!
SugiuraMidori
Profile Joined May 2009
United States281 Posts
October 29 2009 02:25 GMT
#1004
On October 29 2009 10:49 Tricode wrote:
Pyrr, why are you using 2 votes this time?


My dear Tricode, it is a well known fact, and one Qatol forgot to observe till now, that the Mayor counts for two votes.

I'm sorry Shikyo, I guess I just see you as a good player, on my level, pardon the overestimation.
Foolish Brother ... If You Want to Kill Me ... Then Hate, Spite ... and Survive Pathetically. Run and Run ... and Cling Desperately to Life.
Tricode
Profile Joined January 2009
United States538 Posts
October 29 2009 02:28 GMT
#1005
On October 29 2009 11:25 SugiuraMidori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2009 10:49 Tricode wrote:
Pyrr, why are you using 2 votes this time?


My dear Tricode, it is a well known fact, and one Qatol forgot to observe till now, that the Mayor counts for two votes.

I'm sorry Shikyo, I guess I just see you as a good player, on my level, pardon the overestimation.


Oh, I thought it was controlled since that last one didn't have 2 voting power. Thanks for clearing it up then.
1, 2, he is coming for you. Kill the C0bbler!
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
October 29 2009 02:37 GMT
#1006
On October 29 2009 11:25 SugiuraMidori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2009 10:49 Tricode wrote:
Pyrr, why are you using 2 votes this time?


My dear Tricode, it is a well known fact, and one Qatol forgot to observe till now, that the Mayor counts for two votes.

I'm sorry Shikyo, I guess I just see you as a good player, on my level, pardon the overestimation.

Well dnno, you're wrong. Also, I don't think me and Pyrr have ever resembled like we've acted in a team.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
SugiuraMidori
Profile Joined May 2009
United States281 Posts
October 29 2009 02:40 GMT
#1007
Well, I was just pointed to the rather blatant fact that Pyrr has voted for Chez, so it's rather unlikely they're on the same team. So either one is red (more likely Pyrr than Chez), or Pyrr is just in the dark as usual.
Foolish Brother ... If You Want to Kill Me ... Then Hate, Spite ... and Survive Pathetically. Run and Run ... and Cling Desperately to Life.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
October 29 2009 04:39 GMT
#1008
L, Shikyo, mr.light, give up the fight
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
October 29 2009 13:24 GMT
#1009
Okay, so someone asked me why I claimed, and I dealt with the question best to my knowledge, while talking to the medic in PMs. Here's a transcript of what was said. Feel free to ask me anymore questions.

Original Message L :
Different situation today gave me a different goal. Because I was claimed to, and I now have the ability to form a group of confirmed townies. In order to confirm myself I needed to reach out and ask to see if a second DT was in the game. The only alternative would have been to out you to the public to get blue names, but the problem would be that you would die in the process.

At this point I don't want to die for the above reasons whereas before I wanted to get hit. Now that they know i'm going to take 2 days of full kp, i'm almost unhittable from a mafia perspective which gives me enough protection to stay alive while a DT finishes their sanity check and then confirms my role. At that point I become a mouth for every blue in the game, and we win relatively quickly.
-----------------------------------------
Original Message Medic:
WIth that logic, what was the point in claiming Vet now? You got protected, you just needed to say you were protected. Not that you were a vet (which means they won't try and hit you again most likely) While the plan prior gave them incentive to try and kill you.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message L:
The reasoning is pretty obvious; The job of a vet is to get hit. Claiming when we don't achieve the goal that we set out to achieve under conditions when I know i'm going to get hit (I've been hit on day 2 or day 3 for five games in a row) completely invalidates the role.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message Medic:
I still think you should of role claimed earlier and don't get why you didn't, I don't get the reasoning. Even if Ace said he checked Judge, before he even came forward with that I think I said the Vet should of role called then.

Read from the bottom upwards.

I haven't asked the medic if I can post this, so I've taken the liberty of slightly changing his statements so that its harder to figure out who he is from the writing style. The meaning and content of his questions, however, are not changed, and besides for the single bold note I put in, my messages, however, are directly copy/pasted.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
October 29 2009 14:21 GMT
#1010
I think the recent votes for L is pretty laughable. I think people tried to bandwagon thinking Qatol meant 10 KST this morning
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
October 29 2009 14:41 GMT
#1011
why are they laughable? so you believe L's claim even though he hasn't done shit for town except advocate lynching Ace?
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
October 29 2009 14:46 GMT
#1012
On October 29 2009 23:21 Amber[LighT] wrote:
I think the recent votes for L is pretty laughable. I think people tried to bandwagon thinking Qatol meant 10 KST this morning


Out of respect of the organizers who have asked us to refrain from personal attacks, I will only say that this thought is exceptionally retarded.

Also Ace thought you were mafia and Ace is never wrong.
Cheese is good for you!
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
October 29 2009 14:46 GMT
#1013
On October 29 2009 22:24 L wrote:
Okay, so someone asked me why I claimed, and I dealt with the question best to my knowledge, while talking to the medic in PMs. Here's a transcript of what was said. Feel free to ask me anymore questions.

Show nested quote +
Original Message L :
Different situation today gave me a different goal. Because I was claimed to, and I now have the ability to form a group of confirmed townies. In order to confirm myself I needed to reach out and ask to see if a second DT was in the game. The only alternative would have been to out you to the public to get blue names, but the problem would be that you would die in the process.

At this point I don't want to die for the above reasons whereas before I wanted to get hit. Now that they know i'm going to take 2 days of full kp, i'm almost unhittable from a mafia perspective which gives me enough protection to stay alive while a DT finishes their sanity check and then confirms my role. At that point I become a mouth for every blue in the game, and we win relatively quickly.
-----------------------------------------
Original Message Medic:
WIth that logic, what was the point in claiming Vet now? You got protected, you just needed to say you were protected. Not that you were a vet (which means they won't try and hit you again most likely) While the plan prior gave them incentive to try and kill you.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message L:
The reasoning is pretty obvious; The job of a vet is to get hit. Claiming when we don't achieve the goal that we set out to achieve under conditions when I know i'm going to get hit (I've been hit on day 2 or day 3 for five games in a row) completely invalidates the role.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message Medic:
I still think you should of role claimed earlier and don't get why you didn't, I don't get the reasoning. Even if Ace said he checked Judge, before he even came forward with that I think I said the Vet should of role called then.

Read from the bottom upwards.

I haven't asked the medic if I can post this, so I've taken the liberty of slightly changing his statements so that its harder to figure out who he is from the writing style. The meaning and content of his questions, however, are not changed, and besides for the single bold note I put in, my messages, however, are directly copy/pasted.


Why did you leave out the most recent message(s)?
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
October 29 2009 14:48 GMT
#1014
On October 29 2009 23:46 Scamp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2009 23:21 Amber[LighT] wrote:
I think the recent votes for L is pretty laughable. I think people tried to bandwagon thinking Qatol meant 10 KST this morning


Out of respect of the organizers who have asked us to refrain from personal attacks, I will only say that this thought is exceptionally retarded.

Also Ace thought you were mafia and Ace is never wrong.


With that logic L and I must be mafia.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
October 29 2009 14:50 GMT
#1015
And I must be retarded since the three of you decided it would be a good idea to go ahead and vote for L despite the lack of discussion. Last night when I went to sleep the vote seemed to be Vivi vs. Chez vs. Redtooth and now you want to throw in L too? One day at a time bro we'll get to everyone on the list don't worry.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
October 29 2009 14:56 GMT
#1016
On October 29 2009 22:24 L wrote:
Okay, so someone asked me why I claimed, and I dealt with the question best to my knowledge, while talking to the medic in PMs. Here's a transcript of what was said. Feel free to ask me anymore questions.

Show nested quote +
Original Message L :
Different situation today gave me a different goal. Because I was claimed to, and I now have the ability to form a group of confirmed townies. In order to confirm myself I needed to reach out and ask to see if a second DT was in the game. The only alternative would have been to out you to the public to get blue names, but the problem would be that you would die in the process.

At this point I don't want to die for the above reasons whereas before I wanted to get hit. Now that they know i'm going to take 2 days of full kp, i'm almost unhittable from a mafia perspective which gives me enough protection to stay alive while a DT finishes their sanity check and then confirms my role. At that point I become a mouth for every blue in the game, and we win relatively quickly.
-----------------------------------------
Original Message Medic:
WIth that logic, what was the point in claiming Vet now? You got protected, you just needed to say you were protected. Not that you were a vet (which means they won't try and hit you again most likely) While the plan prior gave them incentive to try and kill you.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message L:
The reasoning is pretty obvious; The job of a vet is to get hit. Claiming when we don't achieve the goal that we set out to achieve under conditions when I know i'm going to get hit (I've been hit on day 2 or day 3 for five games in a row) completely invalidates the role.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message Medic:
I still think you should of role claimed earlier and don't get why you didn't, I don't get the reasoning. Even if Ace said he checked Judge, before he even came forward with that I think I said the Vet should of role called then.

Read from the bottom upwards.

I haven't asked the medic if I can post this, so I've taken the liberty of slightly changing his statements so that its harder to figure out who he is from the writing style. The meaning and content of his questions, however, are not changed, and besides for the single bold note I put in, my messages, however, are directly copy/pasted.



So you become a mouthpiece for the blues, and we win the game relatively quickly. Excellent.

A DT needs at least two nights to determine their sanity, and that's assuming they're able to check people who actually die. So we need three nights of NO HELP FROM YOU in order for the DTs to confirm their sanities. That's 6KP worth of mafia kills, and that's the best-case scenerio. Furthermore the DT hasn't checked anyone alive at this point so they need even more nights to get any useful information.

So considering you want to be the mouth of all the blues in the game, and also considering your plan takes over three nights to execute, how about giving us some ideas on who to lynch or what to look for? Because that would, you know, be helpful.

Why are you ignoring all of my posts? And the date and times of these messages would be nice.
Cheese is good for you!
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
October 29 2009 14:57 GMT
#1017
On October 29 2009 23:50 Amber[LighT] wrote:
And I must be retarded since the three of you decided it would be a good idea to go ahead and vote for L despite the lack of discussion. Last night when I went to sleep the vote seemed to be Vivi vs. Chez vs. Redtooth and now you want to throw in L too? One day at a time bro we'll get to everyone on the list don't worry.


lol, dude

there's hardly been a page's worth of discussion on the merits of lynching any of those players

seriously i can boil it down for you nice and fast

chezinu - we want to lynch him because he posts random shit
vivi - guys like Ace say he is stupid
redtooth - some voting thing?

the short answer is that the discussion on those 3 is limited and devoid of quality information.

And no, time is not on the towns side as we cannot afford to miss lynches. If L is not lying mafia just won't hit him, and that's 1 less person they need to kill already.
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
October 29 2009 15:07 GMT
#1018
On October 29 2009 23:50 Amber[LighT] wrote:
And I must be retarded since the three of you decided it would be a good idea to go ahead and vote for L despite the lack of discussion. Last night when I went to sleep the vote seemed to be Vivi vs. Chez vs. Redtooth and now you want to throw in L too? One day at a time bro we'll get to everyone on the list don't worry.


Hey I didn't call you retarded. Just the thought of a bandwagon of not enough people before a mistaken deadline even though that's been constant throughout the whole game.

I don't know what you're trying to pull here but I posted up my reasoning quite clearly. Please point me to the excellent discussion on Vivi that prompted you to vote for him.

On October 28 2009 23:04 Amber[LighT] wrote:
I voted for Vivi57 for the lynch simply because I'm going to allow someone else make the call today. I'll admit I fucked up pushing for Ace yesterday, but I took a path that the town had taken in the past with RCing Detectives.


And that someone is, apparently, SugiuraMidori. So why does SugiuraMidori get to make the call for you?
Cheese is good for you!
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
October 29 2009 15:22 GMT
#1019
On October 30 2009 00:07 Scamp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2009 23:50 Amber[LighT] wrote:
And I must be retarded since the three of you decided it would be a good idea to go ahead and vote for L despite the lack of discussion. Last night when I went to sleep the vote seemed to be Vivi vs. Chez vs. Redtooth and now you want to throw in L too? One day at a time bro we'll get to everyone on the list don't worry.


Hey I didn't call you retarded. Just the thought of a bandwagon of not enough people before a mistaken deadline even though that's been constant throughout the whole game.

I don't know what you're trying to pull here but I posted up my reasoning quite clearly. Please point me to the excellent discussion on Vivi that prompted you to vote for him.

Show nested quote +
On October 28 2009 23:04 Amber[LighT] wrote:
I voted for Vivi57 for the lynch simply because I'm going to allow someone else make the call today. I'll admit I fucked up pushing for Ace yesterday, but I took a path that the town had taken in the past with RCing Detectives.


And that someone is, apparently, SugiuraMidori. So why does SugiuraMidori get to make the call for you?


Up until today she's put more effort into this game than you did. All of a sudden you want to analyze the town and actually take part in discussion. Voting for Vivi is more than just "I'm following sugiura," but when you think about it, let's take out of the people that aren't doing much to contribute. These people are worse than inactives, and sometimes mafia will have about 50% of their team play the inactive role so they stay under the radar. This is such a typical case especially when the mayor and pardoner are not red (which I believe is the case in this game).

I'm not saying because you didn't post in the past two day cycles that you're opinion is worthless to me, but let's try to take to take a logical approach and separate the town into groups..... ugh i was talking to my boss about something and completely lost my train of thought with this. Let me get back to this when it pops in my head again
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
October 29 2009 15:23 GMT
#1020
On October 29 2009 23:56 Scamp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2009 22:24 L wrote:
Okay, so someone asked me why I claimed, and I dealt with the question best to my knowledge, while talking to the medic in PMs. Here's a transcript of what was said. Feel free to ask me anymore questions.

Original Message L :
Different situation today gave me a different goal. Because I was claimed to, and I now have the ability to form a group of confirmed townies. In order to confirm myself I needed to reach out and ask to see if a second DT was in the game. The only alternative would have been to out you to the public to get blue names, but the problem would be that you would die in the process.

At this point I don't want to die for the above reasons whereas before I wanted to get hit. Now that they know i'm going to take 2 days of full kp, i'm almost unhittable from a mafia perspective which gives me enough protection to stay alive while a DT finishes their sanity check and then confirms my role. At that point I become a mouth for every blue in the game, and we win relatively quickly.
-----------------------------------------
Original Message Medic:
WIth that logic, what was the point in claiming Vet now? You got protected, you just needed to say you were protected. Not that you were a vet (which means they won't try and hit you again most likely) While the plan prior gave them incentive to try and kill you.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message L:
The reasoning is pretty obvious; The job of a vet is to get hit. Claiming when we don't achieve the goal that we set out to achieve under conditions when I know i'm going to get hit (I've been hit on day 2 or day 3 for five games in a row) completely invalidates the role.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message Medic:
I still think you should of role claimed earlier and don't get why you didn't, I don't get the reasoning. Even if Ace said he checked Judge, before he even came forward with that I think I said the Vet should of role called then.

Read from the bottom upwards.

I haven't asked the medic if I can post this, so I've taken the liberty of slightly changing his statements so that its harder to figure out who he is from the writing style. The meaning and content of his questions, however, are not changed, and besides for the single bold note I put in, my messages, however, are directly copy/pasted.



So you become a mouthpiece for the blues, and we win the game relatively quickly. Excellent.

A DT needs at least two nights to determine their sanity, and that's assuming they're able to check people who actually die. So we need three nights of NO HELP FROM YOU in order for the DTs to confirm their sanities. That's 6KP worth of mafia kills, and that's the best-case scenerio. Furthermore the DT hasn't checked anyone alive at this point so they need even more nights to get any useful information.

So considering you want to be the mouth of all the blues in the game, and also considering your plan takes over three nights to execute, how about giving us some ideas on who to lynch or what to look for? Because that would, you know, be helpful.

Why are you ignoring all of my posts? And the date and times of these messages would be nice.


Except that the DT has already checked me on day 1 and can already confirm that if i'm blue, i'm vet. I need 1 more lynch for him to be certain of his sanity if we don't hit another blue, which is why we're pre-picking someone tonight to get that squared away. More to the point, how is this 'no help from me'. What do you want me to do? Shoot a magic wand at the game and magically make us win on day 3?

That's why he claimed to me; because all the facts add up.

And i'm not ignoring you. The entire set of PMs was given out specifically because you asked why I claimed. I'm rather glad you're actually posting this game; whether its because you knew i'd try to kill you if you stayed silent or because you're not mafia for once is still up in the air for me, but at least you aren't suicide bombing me.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
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