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On October 13 2017 15:47 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 15:04 cLutZ wrote:
Picks I suspect might be trash, but are getting picked a lot:
Jarvan
Shen
Lulu
Varus
Ori
Ryze (Obviously the Faker Ryze corollary applies) I don't think Lulu is trash, but she's definitely highly overrated. Still strong, but not S tier. The others look correct, not sure who else I might add.
Interesting. Lulu is one that IMO is going to lose some team the finals/semis. I'm convinced a team will think "we can trade Lulu + a power pick for Janna/Rakan" and they will get smashed. Every team I've seen win with Lulu, would have won harder if they picked Karma.
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United States37500 Posts
Lulu's utility is not to be understated.
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I'm not sure if I prefer LZ winning so Pray/Gorilla can get a title or if SSG wins so Ambition can get a title. I really hope SKT doesn't win though.
In other news, if Samsung beats RNG, then I think I'm better than 50/50 to win my Korea bet. The downside being I think I'm 25% at best to win the NA bet; C9 would have to what 0-3 and TSM would have to 1-2? C9 going 0-3 is maybe 35%; C9 and IMT grabbing 4 games out of 9 really hurt.
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Isn't Uzi grabbing Vayne over Sivir just dumb. I get there's 5 ADC bans but damn not a fan of RNG's p/b
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On October 13 2017 16:07 NeoIllusions wrote:
Lulu's utility is not to be understated.
Entirely possible, but currently it seems people think she is a censor abuser. and they go +5 in lane and think its a win. I dont understand the +5 minions win.
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On October 13 2017 15:04 cLutZ wrote:
Picks I suspect might be trash, but are getting picked a lot:
Jarvan
Shen
Lulu
Varus
Ori
Ryze (Obviously the Faker Ryze corollary applies)
I actually would say that Varus is heavily underrated. while his lategame isn't as good as Kog his spike is pretty close, and comes with his ulti. I was actually thinking earlier today, I think he's just the better Kog in this meta. his ult is just so good, if you hit the other teams frontline tank with it the tendrils zone off his team while you melt him down on top of his Grevious patch, and he also opens burst of the 3 stacks from his ulti popping. Basically he's the ultimate front to back carry if he can catch out their tank.
Shen- If you can not blind pick him I think he's great, especially now with ppl starting to play more warrior jg
Lulu- Don't agree at all
Ori- Agree
Ryze-I think Ryze is good the same way Cho is good, you can pick him if you want to ignore mid and not get destroyed, otherwise yea he seems pretty un impactful outside of a couple key plays.
J4-Agree
my "pls stop picking" Kogmaw.
On October 13 2017 16:26 geript wrote:
Isn't Uzi grabbing Vayne over Sivir just dumb. I get there's 5 ADC bans but damn not a fan of RNG's p/b
Pretty sure they just let him pick Vayne cause it's FB
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Jarvan
Shen
Lulu
Varus
Ori
Ryze (Obviously the Faker Ryze corollary applies)
Lane J4 looks pretty good atm (maybe because those who play him there are good at it), jungle J4 has been OK.
Just looked it up, Shen has seen moderate ban rates and has ~50% win rate. Most of the games he lost were not really because of the champion. He's solid, just not broken, which is actually nice for once.
Lulu is dope tier along with Janna right now. Besides Rakan, who I rate slightly under those two because he is banned so much, she is stupidly strong right now.
I love Varus, just don't think many teams can play him well. People really underestimate his power spike and his late game damage, he's basically a mini-Kog with a better team fighting presence due to ult.
I'm OK with Ori not being meta right now. Still think she's a viable pick though, just not a standard safe one.
I thought Perkz played a mean Ryze, and yeah, Faker's Ryze is busted.
Honestly my currently underwhelming pick this Worlds has been Kog, especially into the Twitch matchup. He wins lane almost every time against the rat, but in team fights Twitch just seems to wreck way harder. His dps just doesn't seem to be able to bust through tanks at a reasonable rate, even in the lategame. I've seen so many games this Worlds where Kog was hitting non stop but still lost the team fight somehow, meanwhile Twitch magically three shots enemy team in the jungle.
Alright, picked the whole group correctly 
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Dam rip Pickems. I had too much faith in Korea.
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God damn it, one game away from having a correct pick'em again. Will probably have the rest wrong too because of EDG and FW 
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Oh yeah, EDG completely destroyed my picks for the group, but I'm hoping for another complete Pick'Em for Group D to make up for it.
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Canada2764 Posts
Group C was really nice. I feel like all 4 teams showed up to some extent; a little disappointed G2 couldn't make it work vs Samsung, but goddamn Royal are so fucking good. Honestly I'm rooting for Royal vs Longzhu finals this year, they're two teams who really know how to be aggressive early where as Samsung and SKT are suffering because they're too content to fall behind. Watching Uzi play in this meta is beautiful.
Also, that draft vs 1907 needed more damage than Sivir, didn't it? Plus Uzi is an incredibly good Vayne player. I don't think Galio/Cho/Sej will do enough to make a Sivir worthwhile, they needed a real high-damage ADC.
In terms of picks I think people will lose games for, I haven't been impressed by Lulu much so far. I also think people are way underrating Rakan, especially in Korean teams. They're so good at having synergy built up that giving them Rakan and letting them make these crazy ult comebacks seems silly. I don't really love Rek'sai either, although it's good early game, but these Rek'sai + Kog comps seem bad to me. Rek'sai just isn't good late game and doesn't offer enough in a Kog/Janna comp.
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Lulu is great and has done great. Issue is teams picking Lulu over Janna then building a teamcomp that can't peel that well. Teams are using lulu as a janna light but that doesn't work at all. Lulu thrives when you are on the play being aggressive and proactive. Rakan is great too but a lot harder to execute.
The take away from worlds so far for me as been, "Be proactive!". Constantly see teams doing well that are taking the fight to the enemy. A team like GAM manages to almost make it through groups just by sticking to their gameplan and not letting enemy dictate. Then on the inverse you see a team like IMT go from being proactive and doing decently well to a team that's too afraid to make a move going 0-4.
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Canada2764 Posts
On October 13 2017 21:12 Numy wrote:
Lulu is great and has done great. Issue is teams picking Lulu over Janna then building a teamcomp that can't peel that well. Teams are using lulu as a janna light but that doesn't work at all. Lulu thrives when you are on the play being aggressive and proactive. Rakan is great too but a lot harder to execute.
The take away from worlds so far for me as been, "Be proactive!". Constantly see teams doing well that are taking the fight to the enemy. A team like GAM manages to almost make it through groups just by sticking to their gameplan and not letting enemy dictate. Then on the inverse you see a team like IMT go from being proactive and doing decently well to a team that's too afraid to make a move going 0-4.
Yeah, being proactive is definitely key. That's why I think Royal is so good right now - of all the group stage teams they might be the most successfully proactive (outside of that G2 game where I think they suffered due to having Kog) and that matters a lot. Lulu can be good, but I think teams are using it wrong and prioritizing it so far.
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Later Geript, see you in a month. =]
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I really hope C9 and TSM make it out of groups, IMT such a huge disappointment tbh
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I mean I thought imt would get out but only because the group was so bad.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
IMT got one of the easiest groups in the history of worlds to advance out of, especially given their pool seed. A Pool 2 team needing to only beat FNC/GAM to advance to Worlds QF is a gift, and the fact that they didn't advance must be a huge disappointment.
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On October 13 2017 23:16 Gahlo wrote:
Later Geript, see you in a month. =]
At least get your facts straight... you know it's gonna be 2
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On October 14 2017 00:12 geript wrote:At least get your facts straight... you know it's gonna be 2
I don't care about other people's bets. Only mine.
On October 13 2017 23:57 GrandInquisitor wrote:
IMT got one of the easiest groups in the history of worlds to advance out of, especially given their pool seed. A Pool 2 team needing to only beat FNC/GAM to advance to Worlds QF is a gift, and the fact that they didn't advance must be a huge disappointment.
Yeah, they really shat the bed in that group. So many things could have bounced their way. Rough meta for their team makeup too.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On October 14 2017 00:36 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 23:57 GrandInquisitor wrote:
IMT got one of the easiest groups in the history of worlds to advance out of, especially given their pool seed. A Pool 2 team needing to only beat FNC/GAM to advance to Worlds QF is a gift, and the fact that they didn't advance must be a huge disappointment. Yeah, they really shat the bed in that group. So many things could have bounced their way. Rough meta for their team makeup too.
What if Cody Sun didn't fatfinger flash?
What if Flame hadn't Q'd everyone out of Pobelter's shockwave?
What if the nexus had 10 more HP?
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