Samsung win the 2017 World Championship! - Page 47

On October 14 2017 03:33 JimmiC wrote:
Well taliyah was banned, and Corki would have meant 3 adcs not sure that would have worked out great. I think the EZ jungle was the issue tbh

On October 14 2017 05:03 Numy wrote:


In an ideal world that may be true but the way esports works that decidedly not true. Players normally have far more power than coaches. This makes the dynamic shifted in the players area. So traditional sport coach could bench a star player if he doesn't want to follow the team but in esports? You don't see that all that often. Coaches have to work within the limitations the players provide.

It's just not fair on them to say they have ultimate responsibility without knowing if they are given the power that comes with that responsibility.

On October 14 2017 06:50 iCanada wrote:
I'm with GI.

For example I think C9 plays whatever the fuck Reapered wants.

As Huni plays whatever the fuck kKoma wants. If you can't manage to make your players play things that are good i think you're doing it wrong.

On October 14 2017 06:27 GrandInquisitor wrote:

I hear what you're saying, but I think that that kind of attitude holds back esports. A coach that gets to blame his players is betraying his obligations to the team. A coach is hired by a team, not the players. The team is the one he owes a duty to, and part of that job includes aligning the players with the team.

If you cannot convince your players to act in the best interest of the team, you have some bad players, but you are also failing in your role as a coach. Because if your players always acted in the best interest of the team, there would be no need for you. The very reason a team hires you is to make your players perform.

On October 14 2017 04:38 cLutZ wrote:


To clarify, not trash, but also probably not worth picking.

Jarvan to me is easy, he's a decent laner but not great in the jungle, so I think his "flex" value is massively overrated. If you pick him early and they force you to put him jungle, that is a big 'L'.

Shen is shen, yes, but I think it just seems like he does nothing most games. Most teams cant use him properly.

Ori, I don't think is Ori. She is simply losing lane over and over this tournament, and the only good ball deliverer is Rakan. Plus, with toplane tanks as they are its increasingly improbable to get good ults. Obviously if you can its GG ala SKT-EDG, but that is not reliable.

Ryze we mostly agree, although I am more negative on Ryze. Havent seen any good ults and it seems like people are mostly using it to greed for farm.

Varus and Lulu I very much disagree. Their laning has been good, but not stellar. Perhaps theoretically it should be better than it has played out so far. Also Varus ult has been much less relevant than I'd have thought, for the same reason that Ori ults are not impactful this tournament. Pray is the only good Varus so far, that means nothing about the pick's strength because LZ is smashing people (same with Khan and Jarvan). Lulu is not as good at abusing Censer as people seem to think. She is a good compromise pick, but people are treating her as a first rotation, which she is not.

On October 14 2017 09:06 dsyxelic wrote:


? he is perfectly fine in the jungle
it is fairly trivial to gank mid and top with him and having a high cc terrain building tank from the jungle is never bad. obviously you're not going to him over sejuani or something in the jungle, but its a decent pick. You're massively underrating him if you don't think he is worth picking.

That is a case of shit team, not shit champion. Key difference. Decent to good teams have been using him well.

She's not picked to win lane. Also she's not even picked that much lol. The few times she was played she did not lose lane besides Faker playing it vs lucian counter and getting hard camped as well as Optimus who you cannot expect to win lane with her. I don't get how you come to a conclusion from these Worlds that ori makes you lose lane and therefore is not worth picking lol. She's an ok champ and will see play simply BECAUSE she has that game changing ulti even if its not reliable.

There were some great Ryze ultis for baron plays and roams. Not too hard to find.

Lulu is not picked first because of ardent abusing. It's just a huge plus that she gets to use ardent. Also alot of these comps rely on the ADC to deal most of the damage and lulu excels at enabling that even without ardent. Literally all her skills are very useful to her adc. She also wins pretty much every support matchup currently in the meta. You can't just ignore that.

Varus laning has been very good. Look at these stats:

He's been played the 4th most and has a good number of games played by both good and bad ADC's alike. These are all the ADC's who have been played at least 20 times.

he has by far the highest FB%, which makes sense since he is an easy lane to gank for especially after pre6 and generally has the stronger lane.
he has by far the lowest FB% which again follows a similar lane of thought above where his laning is strong so it is easier to establish vision and win any 3v3/4v4/etc. that occurs.
he has by far the highest CSD at 10. This isn't coincidence that he's up nearly 8+ cs in every matchup on average.
he has by far the highest GD at 10. Averaging more than 200+ over his competitors. He gets the first turret early which is huge.
his DPM is 2nd only to kogmaw (duh tank shredders)
all while requiring the last gold% on average

he has very small fall-off in damage in this tank meta, has great utility, wins lane

what more do you need from an ADC? his main knock is the lack of mobility which xayah and trist excel at, but if you want something that is more useful early you take varus.

you cannot tell me with a straight face that you're actually wondering if varus is worth picking in today's meta

On October 14 2017 14:01 zer0das wrote:
It is really depressing how badly FW have bled this lead away. I don't know how you have like a 6k lead with 4 dragons, and an ardent support, and somehow piss that all away back to a state of near equality.

On October 14 2017 14:19 iCanada wrote:
The rum is ready for the NA week 2 explosion.

<_<