EPTOn November 07 2017 09:36 NeoIllusions wrote:
No, it’d pain me more to bold your name. >_>
No, it’d pain me more to bold your name. >_>
Cry into all those Summoner Cups.
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Gahlo
United States35147 Posts
Cry into all those Summoner Cups. | ||
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On November 07 2017 06:14 chipmonklord17 wrote: Who would you call the greatest NA player of all time then? Like I get what your saying about him being all together mediocre mechanically (for pro standards) but who could you give the title to? I'd say it would have to be someone on the original C9 roster, doublelift, or MAYBE a pobelter or Xmithe but I can't really see the justification for anyone else but Hai. He's been to worlds on multiple rolls, performs pretty well for NA standards at said worlds, and has plenty of titles under his belt. Plus he's the best NA In Game Leader of all time EDIT: I'm assuming you're not copping out and saying Bjerg as an answer as he's not NA, despite what Riot says I'm out of my depth for this particular topic, so bear with me. I personally think Doublelift is the greatest North American player of all-time. Hai may have an argument as the greatest North American player if you limit the time frame to the post-LCS era, but I think there is merit to be found in the fact that Doublelift has always been a highly sought after commodity within the North American region ever since he qualified for the Season 1 World Championship as the second seed from the region. Hai was far more effective than Doublelift as a whole package in Season 3, and in Season 4, but Doublelift's entire career spans from Season 1 to Season 7, and I think you'll be hard pressed to find an argument that Hai was relevant at the top level for longer than Doublelift. Further more, Doubelift in Season 2 reached greater heights as a player than Hai ever did either as a leader or a carrying threat. I don't quite buy into the self-assessment from Doublelift that he was second only to WeiXiao, but it cannot be denied that he indeed was a world class player. He proved his worth with the performance of his life-time at IPL 5 where he literally hard carried his team to a sixth place position in a tournament that had Team WE, Fnatic, Taipei Assassins, Moscow 5, CLG EU, and Azubu Blaze. For all of Doublelift's faults, he had an uncanny ability get gold leads for himself, and make most of his supreme mechanical ability, which indeed was superlative at the time. It was somewhat straightforward to nullify him as a player due to his one dimensional nature, but under the right set of circumstances, his ability to carry was nearly unmatched by any other AD carry apart from a select few. For example, while I certainly don't think Doublelift would have made Najin Sword a stronger team even if he had a solid grasp of the Korean language due to his limited capacities as a player as a whole, I also believe that PraY would have struggled to match Doublelift's finest performance at IPL 5, being a force of nature despite having Locodoco as his support. Doubelift at the peak of his performance, under the right set of circumstances, did have almost no equals specifically at playing his somewhat flawed playstyle. I do believe that Doublelift did take let things get to his head way too much after being perhaps the second best performing AD carry during IPL 5, and projecting that performance as the entirety of his level throughout Season 2. Perhaps he thought he had nothing left to prove after such a performance, and thought the rest of his years would be him out performing subpar opponents like Woong and Yellowpete, and even if his team lost, he would still be praised by his fans as the second best AD carry in the world. I thought Doublelift was over as a player after watching him regress as a player mechanically, while maintaining his stubborn one dimensional approach to the game, with what seemed like a terrible attitude as a team player. A player aspiring to be the best in the world shouldn't lose to hilariously bad teams like Velocity eSports ever, no matter what the situation. While Hai was having the performance of his life time, Doublelift was out there doing his best to ruin his legacy by abusing his position of power as the most popular and in demand North American player, instead of taking his region to the next level by working on himself and his team who needed him so desperately to take matters into his own hands. I think Doublelift has been both a blessing and curse to the North American region. While I think Hai had the right idea and mindset, and believe that Doublelift spent half his career trying to sabotage every opportunity he was given to be truly great, I still think Doublelift was by far the greater player of the two. Hai simply does not have longetivity on his side, and he himself failed to evolve as a more complete player, and all I see now is an energetic, charismatic guy who can convince his teammates to trust in his gimmicky calls in hopes that their opponents aren't good enough to punish them for it. Hai could have been the greatest North American player, but Doublelift, as flawed and troubled as he was, has been in general more valuable as a player apart from a couple of years where he was legitimately the embodiment of everything wrong with the North American region: terrible work ethic, corrosive communication skills, entitlement, delusions of grandeur, and rationalization of the lack of results. It's like he learnt the worst traits of Chauster, then applied them himself once he had the authority that an in form Chauster once had, when in reality I truly believe that Chauster's attitude towards competitive League of Legends was one of the major reasons why CLG's fall from grace from the absolute pinnacle of the world took place. My thoughts on the matter as an outsider looking in. I prefer Hai, but think higher of Doublelift. | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On November 07 2017 08:21 chipmonklord17 wrote: The best North American player can't be a Dane. The question wasn't, who's the best player in NALCS, but who is the best North American player. I personally think its between Hai and Doublelift with Hai edging him out. I kind of forgot Aphro but I suppose he goes on that list of 'justifiable' candidates. I don't understand the focus on nationality instead of where they play. Is Keane KR or NA? Is Huhi EU, NA, or KR? If you really want you can exclude imports, but Bjergsen would qualify then in any event. But sure, if you're focused on nationality, I think that the rank order goes Doublelift > Hai > Sneaky > Aphro. I think Sneaky beats out Aphro given the fact that I don't think Sneaky's ever had a bad split. I concur with letmelose's analysis of Hai's limitations, but I rank him highly nevertheless because of the tremendous impact he had on the scene when C9 debuted. Imagine where NA might be today if C9 had not joined. On a side note, I was reading some of the old TL:FE on the great BW players and boy do I miss that. League is really lacking in quality high-end written content compared to what we had in the BW days. No God of the Battlefield for Faker yet. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35147 Posts
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
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nimdil
Poland3748 Posts
On November 07 2017 23:44 GrandInquisitor wrote: On a side note, I was reading some of the old TL:FE on the great BW players and boy do I miss that. League is really lacking in quality high-end written content compared to what we had in the BW days. No God of the Battlefield for Faker yet. Ver switched from SC to Dota2 so you have this gem: http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/dota-2-general/472373-strategy-over-skill-alliance-ascendant No GotB for LoL | ||
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YourFavoriteBro
Belgium1 Post
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