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Join the LiquidLegends 2017 Worlds Pick'em Group! Ban bets!! Ban bets will continue for the duration of Worlds. You can place bet at any phase of Worlds; on individual games, series, whatever your heart desires. Bans will be enacted the day after Worlds ends, to ensure everyone can still post on LL while Worlds is ongoing. glhf~ - Winners in bold - better, better's win condition, bettee [ban duration for loser] - Yorbon, EDG fails to make it out of groups, vs DarkCore [1 week] - Sleight, Fnatic doesn't make it out of groups, vs AlterKot [2:1 weeks] - Apex, Gigabyte getting out of groups as a 1st place seed + TSM will finish 1st in their groups + Samsung will fail to qualify from their group + C9 will get out of their groups, vs JimmiC [1 week] - geript, Korean teams will win a combined 17 or more games in Groups, vs Gahlo [1 month] - geript, NA teams will win a combined 7 or less games in Groups, vs Torchise [1 month] - zer0das, SKT doesn't win Worlds, vs no one [1 year] - Zato-1, NA teams combined wins will be greater than or equal to EU teams combined wins, vs Yorbon [1 month] | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
On October 14 2017 01:25 chipmonklord17 wrote: I still can't believe there were people with faith in IMT at all, but that's just me. Pretty sure I'm going 3/4 in pick 'ems group unless EDG goes ham. Any games worth watching from today? Honestly it wasn't so much that I thought IMT would play great, but rather that GAM would not have the strength to win multiple games. G2 vs RNG was a great game, and I guess RNG vs SSG because it was the placement defining game. Other games were meh, unless you want to see Perkz's Yasuo in an otherwise meh game. Technically EDG could still make it through, kind of like how Fnatic did it. Honestly these groups with one clear favourite are a nightmare to play in, because every single game counts and there are no free wins, so tie breakers are a very real threat, meaning teams will probably be exhausted. | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
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Sent.
Poland9198 Posts
Misfits vs Flash Wolves - why are you such a disappointment FW? Team World Elite vs Team SoloMid - Doubletilt will carry Chyna Flash Wolves vs Team World Elite Team SoloMid vs Misfits - ugly 50 minute win Team SoloMid vs Flash Wolves - ugly 40 minute win Misfits vs Team World Elite - WE will try too hard and fail Tiebreakers: TSM and WE advance | ||
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
On October 13 2017 15:04 cLutZ wrote: Picks I suspect might be trash, but are getting picked a lot: Jarvan Shen Lulu Varus Ori Ryze (Obviously the Faker Ryze corollary applies) trash? jarvan is a great flex pick that is effective both jg and top. top has really nice matchups especially vs the tanks and allows so much flexibility. team can play around top with the nice balance of damage/cc jarvan brings, or they can play around mid/bot since jarvan doesn't need much help and can escape ganks pretty well. and if jarvan goes mid/bot to assist he is great at that too. shen is shen. as long as he is not actual trash tier he will be relevant in pro play. he is not actual trash tier and this meta is decent for tanks. of course he will be played alot lulu uses ardent, is probably the best laning support right now, excellent utility. what more do you want? the ability to polymorph that even blocks baron steals? hm varus is also one of the best laning if not the best adc for it. and paired with lulu you cannot beat this lane. is just the better version of ashe right now with his ability to tank shred and provide lots of cc from the botlane as well as winning the lane. ori is ori. similar to shen as in she will always be relevant in pro play if not trash. zone control, good range, and game changing shockwave are all too valuable. though I do agree picking it into lucian is no bueno ryze is the only one I'm not as sold on but he is obviously not trash. though I do think he is picked more than I expected. teams have been pretty good at using his ult though so maybe thats why? | ||
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Gahlo
United States35153 Posts
On October 14 2017 02:19 Sent. wrote: Predictions for tomorrow Misfits vs Flash Wolves - why are you such a disappointment FW? Team World Elite vs Team SoloMid - Doubletilt will carry Chyna Flash Wolves vs Team World Elite Team SoloMid vs Misfits - ugly 50 minute win Team SoloMid vs Flash Wolves - ugly 40 minute win Misfits vs Team World Elite - WE will try too hard and fail Tiebreakers: TSM and WE advance In that order? | ||
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Sent.
Poland9198 Posts
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On October 14 2017 01:25 chipmonklord17 wrote: I still can't believe there were people with faith in IMT at all, but that's just me. Pretty sure I'm going 3/4 in pick 'ems group unless EDG goes ham. Any games worth watching from today? I mean considering you refused to bet against IMT it's pretty tacky to call out people for thinking they could get out Just my opinion though | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
They never lose that marines game without 3 losing lanes, no wave clear, and a losing jungle duel. Like what exactly was IMTs win condition in that game? Hope to jesus GAM didn't make a play for 25 minutes? Their draft was worse than anything I've ever seen in solo queue. Imagine if they had a Taliyah or a Corki instead of Ryze... does the same thing team comp wise but would have waveclear and wouldn't get shit stomped by the Syndra. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On October 14 2017 03:37 Numy wrote: Drafting is almost never purely the coach. It's mostly a combination of both especially in western teams. Letting the players off the hook is just wrong. They didn't get out because they played poorly. The coach always has ultimate responsibility for the draft. If you allow your players veto authority over your draft, you must accept the consequences of that decision. That doesn't mean the players aren't also to blame. But a coach's job by definition is to do things players don't or can't do. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35153 Posts
On October 14 2017 03:59 GrandInquisitor wrote: The coach always has ultimate responsibility for the draft. If you allow your players veto authority over your draft, you must accept the consequences of that decision. That doesn't mean the players aren't also to blame. But a coach's job by definition is to do things players don't or can't do. If Azir is the best mid in the meta and your mid laner can't play it, it isn't the coaches' fault for not picking it and spending bans on it. | ||
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On October 14 2017 04:14 Gahlo wrote: If Azir is the best mid in the meta and your mid laner can't play it, it isn't the coaches' fault for not picking it and spending bans on it. Again - players share the blame, of course, but the coach is the one responsible for figuring out how to deal with the players they have. You go to war with the army you have, not the army you want, and if you're coaching a mid laner who can't play Azir, then it's your job to deal with the issue: either by designing teamcomps to punish Azir, or by designing a draft that avoids the issue. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On October 14 2017 02:19 dsyxelic wrote: trash? jarvan is a great flex pick that is effective both jg and top. top has really nice matchups especially vs the tanks and allows so much flexibility. team can play around top with the nice balance of damage/cc jarvan brings, or they can play around mid/bot since jarvan doesn't need much help and can escape ganks pretty well. and if jarvan goes mid/bot to assist he is great at that too. shen is shen. as long as he is not actual trash tier he will be relevant in pro play. he is not actual trash tier and this meta is decent for tanks. of course he will be played alot lulu uses ardent, is probably the best laning support right now, excellent utility. what more do you want? the ability to polymorph that even blocks baron steals? hm varus is also one of the best laning if not the best adc for it. and paired with lulu you cannot beat this lane. is just the better version of ashe right now with his ability to tank shred and provide lots of cc from the botlane as well as winning the lane. ori is ori. similar to shen as in she will always be relevant in pro play if not trash. zone control, good range, and game changing shockwave are all too valuable. though I do agree picking it into lucian is no bueno ryze is the only one I'm not as sold on but he is obviously not trash. though I do think he is picked more than I expected. teams have been pretty good at using his ult though so maybe thats why? To clarify, not trash, but also probably not worth picking. Jarvan to me is easy, he's a decent laner but not great in the jungle, so I think his "flex" value is massively overrated. If you pick him early and they force you to put him jungle, that is a big 'L'. Shen is shen, yes, but I think it just seems like he does nothing most games. Most teams cant use him properly. Ori, I don't think is Ori. She is simply losing lane over and over this tournament, and the only good ball deliverer is Rakan. Plus, with toplane tanks as they are its increasingly improbable to get good ults. Obviously if you can its GG ala SKT-EDG, but that is not reliable. Ryze we mostly agree, although I am more negative on Ryze. Havent seen any good ults and it seems like people are mostly using it to greed for farm. Varus and Lulu I very much disagree. Their laning has been good, but not stellar. Perhaps theoretically it should be better than it has played out so far. Also Varus ult has been much less relevant than I'd have thought, for the same reason that Ori ults are not impactful this tournament. Pray is the only good Varus so far, that means nothing about the pick's strength because LZ is smashing people (same with Khan and Jarvan). Lulu is not as good at abusing Censer as people seem to think. She is a good compromise pick, but people are treating her as a first rotation, which she is not. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
(As an example of non pray Varus carry) | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On October 14 2017 03:59 GrandInquisitor wrote: The coach always has ultimate responsibility for the draft. If you allow your players veto authority over your draft, you must accept the consequences of that decision. That doesn't mean the players aren't also to blame. But a coach's job by definition is to do things players don't or can't do. In an ideal world that may be true but the way esports works that decidedly not true. Players normally have far more power than coaches. This makes the dynamic shifted in the players area. So traditional sport coach could bench a star player if he doesn't want to follow the team but in esports? You don't see that all that often. Coaches have to work within the limitations the players provide. It's just not fair on them to say they have ultimate responsibility without knowing if they are given the power that comes with that responsibility. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On October 14 2017 04:49 Slusher wrote: G2 vs FB is probably auto loss due to Yasuo pick if not for Varus being disgusting (As an example of non pray Varus carry) They only won that game because Trist was terrible and kept getting hit by last breath... Also, in general, most teams can't take advantage of the Rageblade timing, so those teams should stop picking varus/kog or build them for lategame instead. | ||
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