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Hahahaha what the fuck IMT
On October 12 2017 22:00 Numy wrote:
I haven't watched the fnatic games but looking at the highlights it seems like they gave Caps a lot more resources. Is this true? Did they shift to play with Caps as a carry instead of Rekkles and pray?
Early Broxah camped mid mostly, top once too (first game vs GAM) Later everything went to Rekkles. His (Rekkles') interview after the game vs IMT was surprising - he said they would do everything (almost) the same if they could play the games again.
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I am glad I lost my ban bet. I should know better than to ever bet in a way that suggests pobelter isn't a trash heap
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Never have faith in people who haven't cut their western shit.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
We really gonna start using LS memes on LL now? Cause IMT really didn't play with enough PRESSURE
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I mean when someone makes themselves a joke we can't sit back and let it die can we!?
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unbelievable lmao
if you showed me cody sun's play with no names i would've said it'd be reportable for griefing
they really had to TRY to not qualify lmao
ugh GAM why didn't you make it
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
Move over Renegades - Dignitas quadra execute. This might be the new all-time worst professional League play.
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Remember last year when multiple NA teams only needed a single win in order to get out of groups? I'll hoping for Christmas all over again.
I still likely lose my NA bet, but damn it feels good. It's pretty hilarious that fanatic got in after going 0-3. It's silly really
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While I'm sad GAM didn't make it, I'm glad I got 4/4 in my Pick 'em. Although I'm not sure how the tiebreaker between GAM/IMT goes to GAM, I can't complain.
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On October 13 2017 01:29 chipmonklord17 wrote:
While I'm sad GAM didn't make it, I'm glad I got 4/4 in my Pick 'em. Although I'm not sure how the tiebreaker between GAM/IMT goes to GAM, I can't complain.
Quick look at the Reddit threads and knowing Riot's penchant for stupid tiebreaker rules, GAM probably got 3rd because they lost slower in the tiebreaker games, 43 minutes to 27, since Riot can't be asked to have a final game that has no actual outcome.
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It should be because GAM had faster game time which net them the bye in tiebreaker. Doesn't make sense if the team with the bye finishes 4th instead of 3rd.
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On October 13 2017 01:43 Numy wrote:
It should be because GAM had faster game time which net them the bye in tiebreaker. Doesn't make sense if the team with the bye finishes 4th instead of 3rd.
The fact that it wasn't a 3 team round robin was dumb.
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On October 13 2017 01:56 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 01:43 Numy wrote:
It should be because GAM had faster game time which net them the bye in tiebreaker. Doesn't make sense if the team with the bye finishes 4th instead of 3rd. The fact that it wasn't a 3 team round robin was dumb.
Riot has always sacrificed format for easy viewability. So it's perfectly in line with their stance to force a tiebreaker like this. Don't really see why people getting upset. The chance to be upset was before worlds even started to get them to make a competitive worlds.
We lucky they didn't just use time to decide it all honestly.
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On October 13 2017 02:03 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 01:56 Gahlo wrote:On October 13 2017 01:43 Numy wrote:
It should be because GAM had faster game time which net them the bye in tiebreaker. Doesn't make sense if the team with the bye finishes 4th instead of 3rd. The fact that it wasn't a 3 team round robin was dumb. Riot has always sacrificed format for easy viewability. So it's perfectly in line with their stance to force a tiebreaker like this. Don't really see why people getting upset. The chance to be upset was before worlds even started to get them to make a competitive worlds. We lucky they didn't just use time to decide it all honestly.
I didn't know they went with yet another shit tiebreaker system, because as a fan I shouldn't have to know "What nonsense are they going to do if there's a 3way tie for 2nd?" Whether I know before or now doesn't make Riot's bad decision okay or above criticism. By the time the ruleset for Worlds was done, it was too late to get it changed anyway. Besides, Riot doesn't care, otherwise they wouldn't have made that tiebreaker setup in the first place.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On October 13 2017 02:26 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 02:03 Numy wrote:On October 13 2017 01:56 Gahlo wrote:On October 13 2017 01:43 Numy wrote:
It should be because GAM had faster game time which net them the bye in tiebreaker. Doesn't make sense if the team with the bye finishes 4th instead of 3rd. The fact that it wasn't a 3 team round robin was dumb. Riot has always sacrificed format for easy viewability. So it's perfectly in line with their stance to force a tiebreaker like this. Don't really see why people getting upset. The chance to be upset was before worlds even started to get them to make a competitive worlds. We lucky they didn't just use time to decide it all honestly. I didn't know they went with yet another shit tiebreaker system, because as a fan I shouldn't have to know "What nonsense are they going to do if there's a 3way tie for 2nd?" Whether I know before or now doesn't make Riot's bad decision okay or above criticism. By the time the ruleset for Worlds was done, it was too late to get it changed anyway. Besides, Riot doesn't care, otherwise they wouldn't have made that tiebreaker setup in the first place.
TIL that it actually matters who is 3rd and 4th, because it affects the prize money.
Using game time is deeply unsatisfying. But the other two proposed changes here are even worse. A three-way round robin does not guarantee you a result and could go on forever. And playing an additional, ultra sad match between IMT and GAM is pathetic and will never happen.
I honestly don't think it'd be so bad if they just randomly drew who got the bye. But game time is the known tiebreaker and has been used for a few seasons now, and also has the least distorting effect on the game compared to say, # of kills. So if the teams know about it ahead of time, they can't complain it's unfair.
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They should just play double elimination bo3 groups like GSL, but then you won't get bo1 upsets so that's never going to happen.
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still better than a cointoss :D
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On October 13 2017 02:55 GrandInquisitor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 02:26 Gahlo wrote:On October 13 2017 02:03 Numy wrote:On October 13 2017 01:56 Gahlo wrote:On October 13 2017 01:43 Numy wrote:
It should be because GAM had faster game time which net them the bye in tiebreaker. Doesn't make sense if the team with the bye finishes 4th instead of 3rd. The fact that it wasn't a 3 team round robin was dumb. Riot has always sacrificed format for easy viewability. So it's perfectly in line with their stance to force a tiebreaker like this. Don't really see why people getting upset. The chance to be upset was before worlds even started to get them to make a competitive worlds. We lucky they didn't just use time to decide it all honestly. I didn't know they went with yet another shit tiebreaker system, because as a fan I shouldn't have to know "What nonsense are they going to do if there's a 3way tie for 2nd?" Whether I know before or now doesn't make Riot's bad decision okay or above criticism. By the time the ruleset for Worlds was done, it was too late to get it changed anyway. Besides, Riot doesn't care, otherwise they wouldn't have made that tiebreaker setup in the first place. TIL that it actually matters who is 3rd and 4th, because it affects the prize money. Using game time is deeply unsatisfying. But the other two proposed changes here are even worse. A three-way round robin does not guarantee you a result and could go on forever. And playing an additional, ultra sad match between IMT and GAM is pathetic and will never happen. I honestly don't think it'd be so bad if they just randomly drew who got the bye. But game time is the known tiebreaker and has been used for a few seasons now, and also has the least distorting effect on the game compared to say, # of kills. So if the teams know about it ahead of time, they can't complain it's unfair.
Prize money, people's pickems, who has the chance to get out of the group. Lots of things.
Gives even more credence do use the Champions group stage Bo2 format. More incrementality will produce cleaner rankings.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On October 13 2017 03:39 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 02:55 GrandInquisitor wrote:On October 13 2017 02:26 Gahlo wrote:On October 13 2017 02:03 Numy wrote:On October 13 2017 01:56 Gahlo wrote:On October 13 2017 01:43 Numy wrote:
It should be because GAM had faster game time which net them the bye in tiebreaker. Doesn't make sense if the team with the bye finishes 4th instead of 3rd. The fact that it wasn't a 3 team round robin was dumb. Riot has always sacrificed format for easy viewability. So it's perfectly in line with their stance to force a tiebreaker like this. Don't really see why people getting upset. The chance to be upset was before worlds even started to get them to make a competitive worlds. We lucky they didn't just use time to decide it all honestly. I didn't know they went with yet another shit tiebreaker system, because as a fan I shouldn't have to know "What nonsense are they going to do if there's a 3way tie for 2nd?" Whether I know before or now doesn't make Riot's bad decision okay or above criticism. By the time the ruleset for Worlds was done, it was too late to get it changed anyway. Besides, Riot doesn't care, otherwise they wouldn't have made that tiebreaker setup in the first place. TIL that it actually matters who is 3rd and 4th, because it affects the prize money. Using game time is deeply unsatisfying. But the other two proposed changes here are even worse. A three-way round robin does not guarantee you a result and could go on forever. And playing an additional, ultra sad match between IMT and GAM is pathetic and will never happen. I honestly don't think it'd be so bad if they just randomly drew who got the bye. But game time is the known tiebreaker and has been used for a few seasons now, and also has the least distorting effect on the game compared to say, # of kills. So if the teams know about it ahead of time, they can't complain it's unfair. Prize money, people's pickems, who has the chance to get out of the group. Lots of things. Gives even more credence do use the Champions group stage Bo2 format. More incrementality will produce cleaner rankings.
I don't see how the 3rd-4th place tiebreaker matters for who gets out of the group. And I said "actually matters", which is why I excluded pick'ems. No one cares about your pickem, sorry.
Also you mean Champions League Bo2? Because a Bo2 based on aggregate goals obviously doesn't work in League so I don't know how that would work here either.
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On October 13 2017 03:44 GrandInquisitor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2017 03:39 Gahlo wrote:On October 13 2017 02:55 GrandInquisitor wrote:On October 13 2017 02:26 Gahlo wrote:On October 13 2017 02:03 Numy wrote:On October 13 2017 01:56 Gahlo wrote:On October 13 2017 01:43 Numy wrote:
It should be because GAM had faster game time which net them the bye in tiebreaker. Doesn't make sense if the team with the bye finishes 4th instead of 3rd. The fact that it wasn't a 3 team round robin was dumb. Riot has always sacrificed format for easy viewability. So it's perfectly in line with their stance to force a tiebreaker like this. Don't really see why people getting upset. The chance to be upset was before worlds even started to get them to make a competitive worlds. We lucky they didn't just use time to decide it all honestly. I didn't know they went with yet another shit tiebreaker system, because as a fan I shouldn't have to know "What nonsense are they going to do if there's a 3way tie for 2nd?" Whether I know before or now doesn't make Riot's bad decision okay or above criticism. By the time the ruleset for Worlds was done, it was too late to get it changed anyway. Besides, Riot doesn't care, otherwise they wouldn't have made that tiebreaker setup in the first place. TIL that it actually matters who is 3rd and 4th, because it affects the prize money. Using game time is deeply unsatisfying. But the other two proposed changes here are even worse. A three-way round robin does not guarantee you a result and could go on forever. And playing an additional, ultra sad match between IMT and GAM is pathetic and will never happen. I honestly don't think it'd be so bad if they just randomly drew who got the bye. But game time is the known tiebreaker and has been used for a few seasons now, and also has the least distorting effect on the game compared to say, # of kills. So if the teams know about it ahead of time, they can't complain it's unfair. Prize money, people's pickems, who has the chance to get out of the group. Lots of things. Gives even more credence do use the Champions group stage Bo2 format. More incrementality will produce cleaner rankings. I don't see how the 3rd-4th place tiebreaker matters for who gets out of the group. And I said "actually matters", which is why I excluded pick'ems. No one cares about your pickem, sorry.
I care :[
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