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St3MoR
Spain3256 Posts
On October 06 2014 08:23 NeoIllusions wrote: Uzi is a confirmed god in my book. Every other ADC is lackluster, imp and Deft included. I'm a believer since last year | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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St3MoR
Spain3256 Posts
a god | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
I don't have much fondness for CN teams but watching Uzi play on the big stage is a delight. | ||
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meowmasta85
721 Posts
whether uzi is a god or not is sort of irrelevant here if the duo of uzi/zero is >>>> everyone else. just imo | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On October 06 2014 08:27 Alaric wrote: I mean, it's not like he's bad or anything, but on that play everyone was all "Uzi the god" when without the Exhaust and the shields (at least 2) he'd have died after only 2 from EDG died. As I said, jumping forward and autoing people is the easy part, staying alive is another one, which rested more on Zero's shoulders during that play imo. Yeah clicking e and then d much harder than w>right click on someone>right click back.Having the balls and confidence that your team will follow up perfectly is hard and zero didn't do anything special.Uzi also dodged the kha jump by going back the same time kha started jumping. Yea would agree with above post.They have looked like the best duo at worlds so far. | ||
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
On October 06 2014 05:58 meowmasta85 wrote: lol i guarantee you shrc would still wipe the floor against TSM in a bo5. C9 now on the other hand would be a great match that could go the distance. I just see the Chinese have much better mechanics and hence outplay potential. The rotations , or solid "macro" based play as the announcers would call it, only matter if the players are of similar abilities. I don't see that being the case here. Lol we saw C9 almost take games from Najin/Blue from pure strategical play. China's teams might have slightly better mechanics, but C9's map movements are really good, i doubt the chinese teams could keep up. | ||
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meowmasta85
721 Posts
On October 06 2014 08:35 IMoperator wrote: Lol we saw C9 almost take games from Najin/Blue from pure strategical play. China's teams might have slightly better mechanics, but C9's map movements are really good, i doubt the chinese teams could keep up. yeah C9 really really impressed me, i think they are a solid level above tsm. i wish they (riot) would schedule more international tourneys with equal representation from all sides, but that doesn't help rito out at all from a monetary perspective. they'd have to host the tournament (money), give out prizes (more money), and on top of it, there's no benefit to saying one region is better than another (even if NA beats out China imo). They do better building the hype for an annual tourney like this so that more people tune in, which generates profit. if they were to do this more often, i think they would lose out. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
But seriously, sometimes inSec and Uzi have no rights to play like they do, thank God that Zero is Korean support. | ||
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Shiznick
United States2200 Posts
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asymptotech
United States295 Posts
On October 06 2014 09:11 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: But seriously, sometimes inSec and Uzi have no rights to play like they do, thank God that Zero is Korean support. That's such a ridiculous statement. If you have that much confidence in your teamates, that's exactly how you should play. That is the primary reason why Uzi is "that good." (I'm not going to say "the best" or "top 3" or whatever, no point in arguing over arbitrary levels.) When I used to watch Aphro stream adc way back in the day, he more than any other player, made me continually gawk at how confident he was in himself. He would do plays, and as I was watching, even with having the gathered knowledge of watching it in action, knew that if I was in the same situation 30 seconds from then, I wouldn't pull it off: not from lack of mechanics, but from lack of confidence/balls/whatever word you want to use. Sure, he died from time to time. Yet, somehow over the course of a few hundred games he was [easily] a few hundred elo higher than I was. Doublelift's reactions to Uzi were genuine. Because he was doing the exact same thing, but this time, instead of pure self confidence it was confidence in *everyone*. I remember specifically the fight in red side jungle where Ryze was hiding in the wraiths and tried to burst him down over the wall my wife said "he's getting too much credit, he was too far forward there." And yet, Janna and Ori both had shields available, they used them, Janna ulted, and they got two more kills. Yes, he absolutely forced his teamates to react to his aggressiveness...and they did. That is not a mistake on his part, that is the strongest type of play you can make. What is the point of having a "Korean support" if you are not going to utilize the fact that your team has such a thing to the absolute fullest potential. Will it lead to mistakes? Sure. Michael Jordan missed three pointers. Roger Federer has sent backhands wide. Pete Rose struck out. Each of them went back out, did their best, and performed at such a level that critics of their respective trades would, at times, label their performances as art. The internet wants 'top tier' to be some unapproachable perfectness. It isn't, and it never will be. That's not how competition works. I don't think Uzi is to LoL what MJ was to the 90's NBA; but I do think that he was really, really impressive last night. Edit: those are probably the wrong sports analogies since they deal with purely self confidence as opposed to the confidence in others I was talking about. More accurate would be to say that a point guard will miss an assist because his teamate fails to convert the jumper. That doesn't make an incorrect play even if the result was less-than-ideal. Having confidence in your teammates to perform at the highest level is how team-play reaches a higher level. Because that same point guard will make that pass again, and if said teammate really is that good, they will convert a high enough percentage of those plays to be a net positive for the team's performance in the long run. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On October 06 2014 09:11 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Getting robbed from imp/Mata vs Uzi/Zero is only disappointment in Worlds, tbh, everything else is going as expected, outside of EDG being lackluster, at least, NaMei won't be hyped as legendary adc now by everyone who hadn't seen a single LPL game. But seriously, sometimes inSec and Uzi have no rights to play like they do, thank God that Zero is Korean support. this might sound like I'm contradicting myself from ealier but I don't think it's completely unrealistic for SHRC to make the final, Najin is definitely a notch below the Samsung teams, and they have struggled vs. strong teams going 1-1 vs. c9 and honestly looking like the 2nd best team vs. [A] even in a split. There are korean teams who didn't make it to worlds I'd rather not face than Najin at this time if I was SHRC, Especially when you consider their bot is exploitable. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On October 06 2014 10:05 asymptotech wrote: That's such a ridiculous statement. If you have that much confidence in your teamates, that's exactly how you should play. That is the primary reason why Uzi is "that good." (I'm not going to say "the best" or "top 3" or whatever, no point in arguing over arbitrary levels.) When I used to watch Aphro stream adc way back in the day, he more than any other player, made me continually gawk at how confident he was in himself. He would do plays, and as I was watching, even with having the gathered knowledge of watching it in action, knew that if I was in the same situation 30 seconds from then, I wouldn't pull it off: not from lack of mechanics, but from lack of confidence/balls/whatever word you want to use. Sure, he died from time to time. Yet, somehow over the course of a few hundred games he was [easily] a few hundred elo higher than I was. Doublelift's reactions to Uzi were genuine. Because he was doing the exact same thing, but this time, instead of pure self confidence it was confidence in *everyone*. I remember specifically the fight in red side jungle where Ryze was hiding in the wraiths and tried to burst him down over the wall my wife said "he's getting too much credit, he was too far forward there." And yet, Janna and Ori both had shields available, they used them, Janna ulted, and they got two more kills. Yes, he absolutely forced his teamates to react to his aggressiveness...and they did. That is not a mistake on his part, that is the strongest type of play you can make. What is the point of having a "Korean support" if you are not going to utilize the fact that your team has such a thing to the absolute fullest potential. Will it lead to mistakes? Sure. Michael Jordan missed three pointers. Roger Federer has sent backhands wide. Pete Rose struck out. Each of them went back out, did their best, and performed at such a level that critics of their respective trades would, at times, label their performances as art. The internet wants 'top tier' to be some unapproachable perfectness. It isn't, and it never will be. That's not how competition works. I don't think Uzi is to LoL what MJ was to the 90's NBA; but I do think that he was really, really impressive last night. Edit: those are probably the wrong sports analogies since they deal with purely self confidence as opposed to the confidence in others I was talking about. More accurate would be to say that a point guard will miss an assist because his teamate fails to convert the jumper. That doesn't make an incorrect play even if the result was less-than-ideal. Having confidence in your teammates to perform at the highest level is how team-play reaches a higher level. Because that same point guard will make that pass again, and if said teammate really is that good, they will convert a high enough percentage of those plays to be a net positive for the team's performance in the long run. It's really hard to rate Uzi in all-times best ranking, like, are you going to put him over imp, WeiXiao and 2013 Piglet? Will you even put him over 2012 Doublelift, nowdays Deft, current NaMei or future ohQ? There is a thing which people tend to overlook - Uzi doesn't perform like tonight every important BoX, i'd argue that he performed on same level last time when Royal Club won Chinese Regionals against OMG and then beat them at Worlds, so, basically, year ago. General Uzi tends to destroy laning, then die somewhere stupidly or not die because there is guy like Zero, who can salvage himself for adc. Will any other support do same? Like, you don't see Mata peeling for imp whole fight, not walking away from him 24/7 and still imp performs on probably even higher level CONSTANTLY. Same was with Piglet in 2013, he was able to make those plays consistently, not drawing whole team attention and Pooh perma-peeling for him and so on. Zero's game sense is just out of this world though, i just hope that he finds legit first echelon team if he leaves Starhorn. KT B, what did you do :D On October 06 2014 10:34 Slusher wrote: this might sound like I'm contradicting myself from ealier but I don't think it's completely unrealistic for SHRC to make the final, Najin is definitely a notch below the Samsung teams, and they have struggled vs. strong teams going 1-1 vs. c9 and honestly looking like the 2nd best team vs. [A] even in a split. There are korean teams who didn't make it to worlds I'd rather not face than Najin at this time if I was SHRC, Especially when you consider their bot is exploitable. Najin will ban Ryze though. Save and Ggoong will be able to drag Shield to mid-game safely and Zefa will play something like Corki anyway, just to be safe. I can see Starhorn winning 1 game, probably, even 2, because Shield tend to win series 3-2 a lot + Royal Club early game is too tricky sometimes, but series? Especially, after they almost fell apart tonight before EDG just threw, dunno, i'm not counting on it. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On October 06 2014 10:39 Slusher wrote: ofc shield is the favorite but it's a better match up for SHRC than the other Chinese teams imo I'd argue that EDG could be way better matchup for Najin, just because their lanes can give run for money against Najin's + NaMei can safely transition into midgame, but considering EDG form at Worlds, i just will call it as "We drag U and Koro1 down team" and let it be. OMG are inferior Shield, so i'm not expecting anything, SHRC might be interesting but i expect 3-0, tbh. Ryze will be banned and if it happens, even Uzi playing for 200% won't help, Zero will stuck in elo hell. Even though, if inSec decides to randomly camp Save when Cola plays Irelia into random Save's Kassadin or Riven, idc what will he pull, it might work at least in 1 game. | ||
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iKill[ShocK]
Vietnam3530 Posts
Shield > SHRC 3-2 | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 06 2014 10:52 iKill[ShocK] wrote: Shield > OMG 3-2 Shield > SHRC 3-2 If White gets to the finals I think White will win, but if Blue upsets White again, I think Najin matches up pretty well against Blue. On October 06 2014 10:49 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: I'd argue that EDG could be way better matchup for Najin, just because their lanes can give run for money against Najin's + NaMei can safely transition into midgame, but considering EDG form at Worlds, i just will call it as "We drag U and Koro1 down team" and let it be. OMG are inferior Shield, so i'm not expecting anything, SHRC might be interesting but i expect 3-0, tbh. Ryze will be banned and if it happens, even Uzi playing for 200% won't help, Zero will stuck in elo hell. Even though, if inSec decides to randomly camp Save when Cola plays Irelia into random Save's Kassadin or Riven, idc what will he pull, it might work at least in 1 game. I think OMG is a poor matchup for Shield specifically because of how Shield does their best in Bo5s while OMG does their worst in Bo5s. | ||
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iKill[ShocK]
Vietnam3530 Posts
On October 06 2014 10:59 TheYango wrote: If White gets to the finals I think White will win, but if Blue upsets White again, I think Najin matches up pretty well against Blue. I think OMG is a poor matchup for Shield specifically because of how Shield does their best in Bo5s while OMG does their worst in Bo5s. White wants it really bad this year, i think they'll go all the way if they don't get cocky (which they won't vs Blue). Najin has a tough road imo, they will need some exceptional plays for them to take the cup. | ||
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