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oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-06 02:17:56
October 06 2014 02:16 GMT
#2941
On October 06 2014 11:02 iKill[ShocK] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2014 10:59 TheYango wrote:
On October 06 2014 10:52 iKill[ShocK] wrote:
Shield > OMG 3-2
Shield > SHRC 3-2
Shield -> White 3-2 lol jk

If White gets to the finals I think White will win, but if Blue upsets White again, I think Najin matches up pretty well against Blue.

On October 06 2014 10:49 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On October 06 2014 10:39 Slusher wrote:
ofc shield is the favorite but it's a better match up for SHRC than the other Chinese teams imo


I'd argue that EDG could be way better matchup for Najin, just because their lanes can give run for money against Najin's + NaMei can safely transition into midgame, but considering EDG form at Worlds, i just will call it as "We drag U and Koro1 down team" and let it be.

OMG are inferior Shield, so i'm not expecting anything, SHRC might be interesting but i expect 3-0, tbh. Ryze will be banned and if it happens, even Uzi playing for 200% won't help, Zero will stuck in elo hell.

Even though, if inSec decides to randomly camp Save when Cola plays Irelia into random Save's Kassadin or Riven, idc what will he pull, it might work at least in 1 game.

I think OMG is a poor matchup for Shield specifically because of how Shield does their best in Bo5s while OMG does their worst in Bo5s.

White wants it really bad this year, i think they'll go all the way if they don't get cocky (which they won't vs Blue). Najin has a tough road imo, they will need some exceptional plays for them to take the cup.


Najin will be outclassed by White in lanes but if Shield vs Blue happens, they have already lost in finals once to dade and Co this season, Reach knows where did they lose clearly and if Save doesn't choke again, they have everything.

White are just matched bad against Blue because Blue finds the way to not lose early and they're simply teamfighting better than anyone on this planet.
If DanDy doesn't throw games randomly though, they have a shot.

On October 06 2014 10:59 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2014 10:52 iKill[ShocK] wrote:
Shield > OMG 3-2
Shield > SHRC 3-2
Shield -> White 3-2 lol jk

If White gets to the finals I think White will win, but if Blue upsets White again, I think Najin matches up pretty well against Blue.

Show nested quote +
On October 06 2014 10:49 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On October 06 2014 10:39 Slusher wrote:
ofc shield is the favorite but it's a better match up for SHRC than the other Chinese teams imo


I'd argue that EDG could be way better matchup for Najin, just because their lanes can give run for money against Najin's + NaMei can safely transition into midgame, but considering EDG form at Worlds, i just will call it as "We drag U and Koro1 down team" and let it be.

OMG are inferior Shield, so i'm not expecting anything, SHRC might be interesting but i expect 3-0, tbh. Ryze will be banned and if it happens, even Uzi playing for 200% won't help, Zero will stuck in elo hell.

Even though, if inSec decides to randomly camp Save when Cola plays Irelia into random Save's Kassadin or Riven, idc what will he pull, it might work at least in 1 game.

I think OMG is a poor matchup for Shield specifically because of how Shield does their best in Bo5s while OMG does their worst in Bo5s.


Ye, i agree, we'll see though.
But it's perfect bracket for watch and Co, if they don't make finals, uh.

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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 06 2014 02:22 GMT
#2942
Call me crazy, but I think SHR actually has 50:50 chance of beating White Shield.
liftlift > tsm
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35154 Posts
October 06 2014 02:25 GMT
#2943
On October 06 2014 11:22 wei2coolman wrote:
Call me crazy, but I think SHR actually has 50:50 chance of beating White Shield.

You're crazy.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
October 06 2014 02:33 GMT
#2944
they have the playmakers...shield is pretty meh across the board. will come down to pick/bans and who did their homework. (lol completely dismissing OMG here)
I come in for the scraps
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
October 06 2014 03:24 GMT
#2945
is world's going to be in an hour and a half again today?
Bronze player stuck in platinum
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7222 Posts
October 06 2014 03:27 GMT
#2946
Nah, 3 hours from then.
日本語が分かりますか
riyanme
Profile Joined September 2010
Philippines940 Posts
October 06 2014 04:46 GMT
#2947
this time ill root for najin to win the worlds...
for winning means they "slaughtered" 4 korean teams along the way which is undeniably insanely hard...
-
GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
October 06 2014 05:04 GMT
#2948
i'm pumped for the OMG 3-0 :D
Jo Byung Se #1 fan | CJ_Rush(reborn) fan | Liquid'Jinro(ret) fan | Liquid'Taeja fan | oGsTheSuperNada fan | Iris[gm](ret) fan |
O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
October 06 2014 05:29 GMT
#2949
On October 06 2014 10:35 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2014 10:05 asymptotech wrote:
On October 06 2014 09:11 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
But seriously, sometimes inSec and Uzi have no rights to play like they do, thank God that Zero is Korean support.


That's such a ridiculous statement. If you have that much confidence in your teamates, that's exactly how you should play. That is the primary reason why Uzi is "that good." (I'm not going to say "the best" or "top 3" or whatever, no point in arguing over arbitrary levels.) When I used to watch Aphro stream adc way back in the day, he more than any other player, made me continually gawk at how confident he was in himself. He would do plays, and as I was watching, even with having the gathered knowledge of watching it in action, knew that if I was in the same situation 30 seconds from then, I wouldn't pull it off: not from lack of mechanics, but from lack of confidence/balls/whatever word you want to use. Sure, he died from time to time. Yet, somehow over the course of a few hundred games he was [easily] a few hundred elo higher than I was.

Doublelift's reactions to Uzi were genuine. Because he was doing the exact same thing, but this time, instead of pure self confidence it was confidence in *everyone*. I remember specifically the fight in red side jungle where Ryze was hiding in the wraiths and tried to burst him down over the wall my wife said "he's getting too much credit, he was too far forward there." And yet, Janna and Ori both had shields available, they used them, Janna ulted, and they got two more kills. Yes, he absolutely forced his teamates to react to his aggressiveness...and they did. That is not a mistake on his part, that is the strongest type of play you can make. What is the point of having a "Korean support" if you are not going to utilize the fact that your team has such a thing to the absolute fullest potential. Will it lead to mistakes? Sure. Michael Jordan missed three pointers. Roger Federer has sent backhands wide. Pete Rose struck out. Each of them went back out, did their best, and performed at such a level that critics of their respective trades would, at times, label their performances as art. The internet wants 'top tier' to be some unapproachable perfectness. It isn't, and it never will be. That's not how competition works. I don't think Uzi is to LoL what MJ was to the 90's NBA; but I do think that he was really, really impressive last night.

Edit: those are probably the wrong sports analogies since they deal with purely self confidence as opposed to the confidence in others I was talking about. More accurate would be to say that a point guard will miss an assist because his teamate fails to convert the jumper. That doesn't make an incorrect play even if the result was less-than-ideal. Having confidence in your teammates to perform at the highest level is how team-play reaches a higher level. Because that same point guard will make that pass again, and if said teammate really is that good, they will convert a high enough percentage of those plays to be a net positive for the team's performance in the long run.


It's really hard to rate Uzi in all-times best ranking, like, are you going to put him over imp, WeiXiao and 2013 Piglet? Will you even put him over 2012 Doublelift, nowdays Deft, current NaMei or future ohQ?

There is a thing which people tend to overlook - Uzi doesn't perform like tonight every important BoX, i'd argue that he performed on same level last time when Royal Club won Chinese Regionals against OMG and then beat them at Worlds, so, basically, year ago.

General Uzi tends to destroy laning, then die somewhere stupidly or not die because there is guy like Zero, who can salvage himself for adc. Will any other support do same? Like, you don't see Mata peeling for imp whole fight, not walking away from him 24/7 and still imp performs on probably even higher level CONSTANTLY. Same was with Piglet in 2013, he was able to make those plays consistently, not drawing whole team attention and Pooh perma-peeling for him and so on.

Zero's game sense is just out of this world though, i just hope that he finds legit first echelon team if he leaves Starhorn.
KT B, what did you do :D




Dig Zero
Fan of the Jangbanger
ShootAnonymous
Profile Joined May 2014
1948 Posts
October 06 2014 06:01 GMT
#2950
On October 06 2014 14:29 O-ops wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2014 10:35 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On October 06 2014 10:05 asymptotech wrote:
On October 06 2014 09:11 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
But seriously, sometimes inSec and Uzi have no rights to play like they do, thank God that Zero is Korean support.


That's such a ridiculous statement. If you have that much confidence in your teamates, that's exactly how you should play. That is the primary reason why Uzi is "that good." (I'm not going to say "the best" or "top 3" or whatever, no point in arguing over arbitrary levels.) When I used to watch Aphro stream adc way back in the day, he more than any other player, made me continually gawk at how confident he was in himself. He would do plays, and as I was watching, even with having the gathered knowledge of watching it in action, knew that if I was in the same situation 30 seconds from then, I wouldn't pull it off: not from lack of mechanics, but from lack of confidence/balls/whatever word you want to use. Sure, he died from time to time. Yet, somehow over the course of a few hundred games he was [easily] a few hundred elo higher than I was.

Doublelift's reactions to Uzi were genuine. Because he was doing the exact same thing, but this time, instead of pure self confidence it was confidence in *everyone*. I remember specifically the fight in red side jungle where Ryze was hiding in the wraiths and tried to burst him down over the wall my wife said "he's getting too much credit, he was too far forward there." And yet, Janna and Ori both had shields available, they used them, Janna ulted, and they got two more kills. Yes, he absolutely forced his teamates to react to his aggressiveness...and they did. That is not a mistake on his part, that is the strongest type of play you can make. What is the point of having a "Korean support" if you are not going to utilize the fact that your team has such a thing to the absolute fullest potential. Will it lead to mistakes? Sure. Michael Jordan missed three pointers. Roger Federer has sent backhands wide. Pete Rose struck out. Each of them went back out, did their best, and performed at such a level that critics of their respective trades would, at times, label their performances as art. The internet wants 'top tier' to be some unapproachable perfectness. It isn't, and it never will be. That's not how competition works. I don't think Uzi is to LoL what MJ was to the 90's NBA; but I do think that he was really, really impressive last night.

Edit: those are probably the wrong sports analogies since they deal with purely self confidence as opposed to the confidence in others I was talking about. More accurate would be to say that a point guard will miss an assist because his teamate fails to convert the jumper. That doesn't make an incorrect play even if the result was less-than-ideal. Having confidence in your teammates to perform at the highest level is how team-play reaches a higher level. Because that same point guard will make that pass again, and if said teammate really is that good, they will convert a high enough percentage of those plays to be a net positive for the team's performance in the long run.


It's really hard to rate Uzi in all-times best ranking, like, are you going to put him over imp, WeiXiao and 2013 Piglet? Will you even put him over 2012 Doublelift, nowdays Deft, current NaMei or future ohQ?

There is a thing which people tend to overlook - Uzi doesn't perform like tonight every important BoX, i'd argue that he performed on same level last time when Royal Club won Chinese Regionals against OMG and then beat them at Worlds, so, basically, year ago.

General Uzi tends to destroy laning, then die somewhere stupidly or not die because there is guy like Zero, who can salvage himself for adc. Will any other support do same? Like, you don't see Mata peeling for imp whole fight, not walking away from him 24/7 and still imp performs on probably even higher level CONSTANTLY. Same was with Piglet in 2013, he was able to make those plays consistently, not drawing whole team attention and Pooh perma-peeling for him and so on.

Zero's game sense is just out of this world though, i just hope that he finds legit first echelon team if he leaves Starhorn.
KT B, what did you do :D




Dig Zero

The saga of #LongsufferingZero continues

Go go OMG, just put up good games and I'll be happy.
(Though my heart really wants you to win. Irrational love of San and rational love of Gogoing+Lovelin(g). )
RIP DotA Kings | BurNIng : Mushi : iceiceice : LaNm : MMY!
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
October 06 2014 06:59 GMT
#2951
y is this schedule different today

fuuck
WriterXiao8~~
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
October 06 2014 07:48 GMT
#2952
Plz Cool be the hero OMG needs =(.
GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
October 06 2014 08:04 GMT
#2953
lol krepo and montecristo with the sweet schnapz, and doublelift just waves --;
Jo Byung Se #1 fan | CJ_Rush(reborn) fan | Liquid'Jinro(ret) fan | Liquid'Taeja fan | oGsTheSuperNada fan | Iris[gm](ret) fan |
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
October 06 2014 08:11 GMT
#2954
WHAT? KAKAO AND ROOKIE WANT JOIN CHINESE TEAM?? THEY GONNA FOLLOW INSEC???
ShootAnonymous
Profile Joined May 2014
1948 Posts
October 06 2014 08:19 GMT
#2955
Bad translation, bad!!!

Loveling said that was Watch was well-known/famous, not popular!
RIP DotA Kings | BurNIng : Mushi : iceiceice : LaNm : MMY!
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
October 06 2014 08:19 GMT
#2956
Everytime I watch Riot's streams it always takes a second to kick in just how absolutely good the production value is compared to every other Western esport by a country mile.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
October 06 2014 08:19 GMT
#2957
I understand the Prophet Crumbzz section is meant to be a bit of humor, but the little blessing and head bow at the end just made me giggle more than it should have.
Haasts
Profile Joined October 2011
New Zealand4445 Posts
October 06 2014 08:20 GMT
#2958
Praying for Lovelin to show up big tonight.
PaniaoftheReef in Path of Exile TotA SSF SC // Lovelin fanclub // GreenTea #1
JSH
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4109 Posts
October 06 2014 08:20 GMT
#2959
All hail Crumbledore
"It's called a miracle because it doesn't happen" - Just like my chances of reaching C- on ICCUP
iKill[ShocK]
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Vietnam3530 Posts
October 06 2014 08:21 GMT
#2960
wow jayce ban wtf
<3 Kim Taeyeon
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