[S4WC] Quarterfinals - Page 145

On October 05 2014 19:26 Maluk wrote:
So assuming Najin wins tomorrow we'd get a Ro4 with 17 out of 20 players from Korea and 4 Korean head coaches ? Lol.

On October 05 2014 20:15 riyanme wrote:

LOL! having a korean on a team does wonders~

On October 05 2014 19:20 IMoperator wrote:

Nah, this year I'd say NA/EU are definitely stronger. EDG got a free group, TSM went 1-1 against SHRC, and then completely threw the game to not have the tiebreaker and OMG was literally 1 auto attack from a 1-1 to Fnatic. Saying China stomping anyone who isnt korean is pretty untrue..

On October 05 2014 20:59 Zergneedsfood wrote:


Bo1 doesn't give you any idea of how a BoX series would go.

On October 05 2014 21:30 IMoperator wrote:

Yeah, but looking at the overall level of play, Chinese teams still seem really weak. They're literally only good at teamfighting. They have absolutely 0 concept of macro strategy, which is why the rest of this worlds is really pointless to watch because whichever team goes up against one of the samsung teams in the finals will just get dumpstered unless they snowball ridiculously hard off the early game. This EDG/Royal game was entertaining to watch just because of how stupid the teams play, but with good mechanics. Every chinese game goes like this: standard lanes -> around 10 minutes have a fight at dragon or 3/4 man dive somewhere -> group mid and dance around baron until one team gets caught

It's amazing that after all this time, the team with the "best rotations" was EDG, and they looked awful in that regard.

On October 05 2014 21:47 nimdil wrote:
The one thing I'm disappointed is rather small hero pool. It's rare game that i.e. neither support is Janna/Thresh/Nami. ADC is mostly Tristana, Twitch, Lucian, Corki or Kog'Maw. Junglers? Kha'zix, Lee Sin, Rengar, J4, Elise. Etc. It's rather disappointing that half of the champoins were neither banned nor chosen.

On October 05 2014 21:41 Zergneedsfood wrote:


Yeah, against Korean teams they're going to get shit on. I think I said it earlier in one of the threads but the most generous outcome, I feel, if a Chinese team makes the finals (which is already dubious since Najin is here) is a 3-1. The most likely outcome is they just get 3-0'd.

But I think you're completely overrating "macro strategy" which is such a buzz word that Monte keeps using and I think it's just sad people just vomit it back out as if it's some kind of all encompassing end all be all way to become gods at a game.

Unfortunately C9 is not on the other side of the bracket, so all we can do here is spout rhetoric, but you also make it sound like NA/EU teams are so far ahead in "macro" strategy that it would actually matter, which I think is just a nebulous and unsubstantiated claim.

On October 05 2014 22:23 IMoperator wrote:
Eh, I might be overrating western teams a bit, but I do think TSM/C9/Alliance would win bo5's vs. the chinese teams if it came down to it. I'm disappointed that we only got to see TSM vs. RC and OMG vs. Fnatic/LMQ (since those are the 2 weakest western teams from the whole strategy point of view, with TSM only slightly above them). I mean, EDG (considered the best strategic chinese team) dominated the LPL pretty hard over this past year, and then they looked awful at Worlds, certainly not on the level of C9 or Alliance (when they're not shitting the bed and losing to Kabuum).

But you're right, we can't really compare the teams' strength since they didn't end up playing each other. I want some more international tournaments so we can judge each regions strength better, rito pls.

On October 05 2014 19:13 Slow Motion wrote:

Yeah but he was considered by many to be the best ADC in China. I think that's a pretty meaningful title to have for that particular position.

On October 06 2014 02:10 Fusilero wrote:
Wexaio was the best Chinese ADC in LPL summer anyway, shame that world elite collapsed on his head.