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On June 02 2014 15:47 O-ops wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 15:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
let's say kha/eve/elise are banned, jungler A aka Diginitas Crumbzz can play xin and lee, jungler B aka TSM Amazing can only play lee.
If team Solomid bans lee, jungler A aka Dignitas Crumbzz can still play xin, jungler B aka TSM Amazing will have to play a champion he doesn't know
If team Dignitas does not ban lee, jungler A aka Dignitas Crumbzz picks lee, jungler B aka TSM Amazing will have to play a champion he doesn't know
This is assuming team Dignitas bans lee instead of shyvana, which they would pick if team Solomid picks lee.
In which of these scenarios does banning lee make sense?
Shyv is ilke 27-3 both region's splits combined so far this season. Are you monte? ....so with this edited post, where is the assumption that crumbz can play xin is coming from? Haven't touched xin once last split either, out of the 8 junglers he played. It's like, every jungler plays those 4 and pretty much only those 4. I don't even know why you are assuming that these other junglers had some secret tech outside those 4 that make them such bullies over amazing when he had to pick something other than kha/elise/lee/eve. They're all equally shitty lol, which make banning lee sin even more tempting since without jungle pressure there are no one that can cleanly beat dyrus top and bjerg mid. Bot's rather iffy but they're still nowhere near Wiz/Daydream.
crumbz is good at xin/kayle/vi/wu, I'm sure he wouldn'tve cared if he had to play any of those vs. something Amazing couldn't play.
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On June 02 2014 15:47 Ym1r wrote:
Definitely banning Lee Sin would have been the better choice for TSM.
The bans were obviously targeted towards Amazing to make him uncomfortable as possible, so removing all the great junglers from the pool makes both teams have stupid subpar junglers.
If they ban Lee Sin and dig took Shyvana first, there's still jax open. It's much better match than giving them a great jungler while your team is stuck with a useless jungler.
Dyrus can't jax and I don't think jax is nearly as good as shyv
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On June 02 2014 15:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 15:47 O-ops wrote:On June 02 2014 15:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
let's say kha/eve/elise are banned, jungler A aka Diginitas Crumbzz can play xin and lee, jungler B aka TSM Amazing can only play lee.
If team Solomid bans lee, jungler A aka Dignitas Crumbzz can still play xin, jungler B aka TSM Amazing will have to play a champion he doesn't know
If team Dignitas does not ban lee, jungler A aka Dignitas Crumbzz picks lee, jungler B aka TSM Amazing will have to play a champion he doesn't know
This is assuming team Dignitas bans lee instead of shyvana, which they would pick if team Solomid picks lee.
In which of these scenarios does banning lee make sense?
Shyv is ilke 27-3 both region's splits combined so far this season. Are you monte? ....so with this edited post, where is the assumption that crumbz can play xin is coming from? Haven't touched xin once last split either, out of the 8 junglers he played. It's like, every jungler plays those 4 and pretty much only those 4. I don't even know why you are assuming that these other junglers had some secret tech outside those 4 that make them such bullies over amazing when he had to pick something other than kha/elise/lee/eve. They're all equally shitty lol, which make banning lee sin even more tempting since without jungle pressure there are no one that can cleanly beat dyrus top and bjerg mid. Bot's rather iffy but they're still nowhere near Wiz/Daydream. crumbz is good at xin/kayle/vi/wu, I'm sure he wouldn'tve cared if he had to play any of those vs. something Amazing couldn't play.
Except the fact that he keeps picking lee sin/elise this split over that other stuff, cuz they're clearly contested picks in the current meta.
On June 02 2014 15:51 zulu_nation8 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 15:47 Ym1r wrote:
Definitely banning Lee Sin would have been the better choice for TSM.
The bans were obviously targeted towards Amazing to make him uncomfortable as possible, so removing all the great junglers from the pool makes both teams have stupid subpar junglers.
If they ban Lee Sin and dig took Shyvana first, there's still jax open. It's much better match than giving them a great jungler while your team is stuck with a useless jungler. Dyrus can't jax and I don't think jax is nearly as good as shyv
Except every single team disagrees with this, cuz jax eating far more bans than shyv.
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hey, i'm talking about if crumbz is better at non top 4 champs than amazing is, the answer is obviously yes, if the top 4 are banned, it is of my opinion that crumbz would feel more comfortable with whatever jungler he picks than amazing with w/e jungler he picks. That is the topic of my current argument.
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On June 02 2014 15:53 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 15:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:On June 02 2014 15:47 O-ops wrote:On June 02 2014 15:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
let's say kha/eve/elise are banned, jungler A aka Diginitas Crumbzz can play xin and lee, jungler B aka TSM Amazing can only play lee.
If team Solomid bans lee, jungler A aka Dignitas Crumbzz can still play xin, jungler B aka TSM Amazing will have to play a champion he doesn't know
If team Dignitas does not ban lee, jungler A aka Dignitas Crumbzz picks lee, jungler B aka TSM Amazing will have to play a champion he doesn't know
This is assuming team Dignitas bans lee instead of shyvana, which they would pick if team Solomid picks lee.
In which of these scenarios does banning lee make sense?
Shyv is ilke 27-3 both region's splits combined so far this season. Are you monte? ....so with this edited post, where is the assumption that crumbz can play xin is coming from? Haven't touched xin once last split either, out of the 8 junglers he played. It's like, every jungler plays those 4 and pretty much only those 4. I don't even know why you are assuming that these other junglers had some secret tech outside those 4 that make them such bullies over amazing when he had to pick something other than kha/elise/lee/eve. They're all equally shitty lol, which make banning lee sin even more tempting since without jungle pressure there are no one that can cleanly beat dyrus top and bjerg mid. Bot's rather iffy but they're still nowhere near Wiz/Daydream. crumbz is good at xin/kayle/vi/wu, I'm sure he wouldn'tve cared if he had to play any of those vs. something Amazing couldn't play. Except the fact that he keeps picking lee sin/elise this split over that other stuff, cuz they're clearly contested picks in the current meta. Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 15:51 zulu_nation8 wrote:On June 02 2014 15:47 Ym1r wrote:
Definitely banning Lee Sin would have been the better choice for TSM.
The bans were obviously targeted towards Amazing to make him uncomfortable as possible, so removing all the great junglers from the pool makes both teams have stupid subpar junglers.
If they ban Lee Sin and dig took Shyvana first, there's still jax open. It's much better match than giving them a great jungler while your team is stuck with a useless jungler. Dyrus can't jax and I don't think jax is nearly as good as shyv Except every single team disagrees with this, cuz jax eating far more bans than shyv.
they're wrong, and what does it matter if dyrus doesn't play jax
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On June 02 2014 15:54 zulu_nation8 wrote:
hey, i'm talking about if crumbz is better at non top 4 champs than amazing is, the answer is obviously yes, if the top 4 are banned, it is of my opinion that crumbz would feel more comfortable with whatever jungler he picks than amazing with w/e jungler he picks. That is the topic of my current argument.
wat.
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On June 02 2014 15:54 zulu_nation8 wrote:
hey, i'm talking about if crumbz is better at non top 4 champs than amazing is, the answer is obviously yes, if the top 4 are banned, it is of my opinion that crumbz would feel more comfortable with whatever jungler he picks than amazing with w/e jungler he picks. That is the topic of my current argument.
Crumbz on lee sin = really comfortable + lee sin is strong vs amazing: uncomfortable and on 2nd tier jungler
vs
Crumbz on (x jungler you think he's comfortable + 2nd tier jungler) on vs amazing : uncomfortable 2nd tier jungler.
the "lee sin is strong compared to 2nd tier jungler" component is a big enough reason to warrant the ban.
On June 02 2014 15:55 zulu_nation8 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 15:53 wei2coolman wrote:On June 02 2014 15:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:On June 02 2014 15:47 O-ops wrote:On June 02 2014 15:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
let's say kha/eve/elise are banned, jungler A aka Diginitas Crumbzz can play xin and lee, jungler B aka TSM Amazing can only play lee.
If team Solomid bans lee, jungler A aka Dignitas Crumbzz can still play xin, jungler B aka TSM Amazing will have to play a champion he doesn't know
If team Dignitas does not ban lee, jungler A aka Dignitas Crumbzz picks lee, jungler B aka TSM Amazing will have to play a champion he doesn't know
This is assuming team Dignitas bans lee instead of shyvana, which they would pick if team Solomid picks lee.
In which of these scenarios does banning lee make sense?
Shyv is ilke 27-3 both region's splits combined so far this season. Are you monte? ....so with this edited post, where is the assumption that crumbz can play xin is coming from? Haven't touched xin once last split either, out of the 8 junglers he played. It's like, every jungler plays those 4 and pretty much only those 4. I don't even know why you are assuming that these other junglers had some secret tech outside those 4 that make them such bullies over amazing when he had to pick something other than kha/elise/lee/eve. They're all equally shitty lol, which make banning lee sin even more tempting since without jungle pressure there are no one that can cleanly beat dyrus top and bjerg mid. Bot's rather iffy but they're still nowhere near Wiz/Daydream. crumbz is good at xin/kayle/vi/wu, I'm sure he wouldn'tve cared if he had to play any of those vs. something Amazing couldn't play. Except the fact that he keeps picking lee sin/elise this split over that other stuff, cuz they're clearly contested picks in the current meta. On June 02 2014 15:51 zulu_nation8 wrote:On June 02 2014 15:47 Ym1r wrote:
Definitely banning Lee Sin would have been the better choice for TSM.
The bans were obviously targeted towards Amazing to make him uncomfortable as possible, so removing all the great junglers from the pool makes both teams have stupid subpar junglers.
If they ban Lee Sin and dig took Shyvana first, there's still jax open. It's much better match than giving them a great jungler while your team is stuck with a useless jungler. Dyrus can't jax and I don't think jax is nearly as good as shyv Except every single team disagrees with this, cuz jax eating far more bans than shyv. they're wrong, and what does it matter if dyrus doesn't play jax
yeah, the top 8 teams in NA are wrong. Cuz you know so much better bly. Jax is way shittier than Shyv, that's why Jax has eaten like a 90% ban rate. lol.
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On June 02 2014 15:57 O-ops wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 15:54 zulu_nation8 wrote:
hey, i'm talking about if crumbz is better at non top 4 champs than amazing is, the answer is obviously yes, if the top 4 are banned, it is of my opinion that crumbz would feel more comfortable with whatever jungler he picks than amazing with w/e jungler he picks. That is the topic of my current argument. wat.
what I meant was, if khazix, elise, evelyn, and lee sin are all banned, then crumbz would still have the advantage because he has a wider jungler pool than amazing. Next time you need clarification feel free to ask.
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On June 02 2014 15:57 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 15:54 zulu_nation8 wrote:
hey, i'm talking about if crumbz is better at non top 4 champs than amazing is, the answer is obviously yes, if the top 4 are banned, it is of my opinion that crumbz would feel more comfortable with whatever jungler he picks than amazing with w/e jungler he picks. That is the topic of my current argument. Crumbz on lee sin = really comfortable + lee sin is strong vs amazing: uncomfortable and on 2nd tier jungler vs Crumbz on (x jungler you think he's comfortable + 2nd tier jungler) on vs amazing : uncomfortable 2nd tier jungler. the "lee sin is strong compared to 2nd tier jungler" component is a big enough reason to warrant the ban. Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 15:55 zulu_nation8 wrote:On June 02 2014 15:53 wei2coolman wrote:On June 02 2014 15:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:On June 02 2014 15:47 O-ops wrote:On June 02 2014 15:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
let's say kha/eve/elise are banned, jungler A aka Diginitas Crumbzz can play xin and lee, jungler B aka TSM Amazing can only play lee.
If team Solomid bans lee, jungler A aka Dignitas Crumbzz can still play xin, jungler B aka TSM Amazing will have to play a champion he doesn't know
If team Dignitas does not ban lee, jungler A aka Dignitas Crumbzz picks lee, jungler B aka TSM Amazing will have to play a champion he doesn't know
This is assuming team Dignitas bans lee instead of shyvana, which they would pick if team Solomid picks lee.
In which of these scenarios does banning lee make sense?
Shyv is ilke 27-3 both region's splits combined so far this season. Are you monte? ....so with this edited post, where is the assumption that crumbz can play xin is coming from? Haven't touched xin once last split either, out of the 8 junglers he played. It's like, every jungler plays those 4 and pretty much only those 4. I don't even know why you are assuming that these other junglers had some secret tech outside those 4 that make them such bullies over amazing when he had to pick something other than kha/elise/lee/eve. They're all equally shitty lol, which make banning lee sin even more tempting since without jungle pressure there are no one that can cleanly beat dyrus top and bjerg mid. Bot's rather iffy but they're still nowhere near Wiz/Daydream. crumbz is good at xin/kayle/vi/wu, I'm sure he wouldn'tve cared if he had to play any of those vs. something Amazing couldn't play. Except the fact that he keeps picking lee sin/elise this split over that other stuff, cuz they're clearly contested picks in the current meta. On June 02 2014 15:51 zulu_nation8 wrote:On June 02 2014 15:47 Ym1r wrote:
Definitely banning Lee Sin would have been the better choice for TSM.
The bans were obviously targeted towards Amazing to make him uncomfortable as possible, so removing all the great junglers from the pool makes both teams have stupid subpar junglers.
If they ban Lee Sin and dig took Shyvana first, there's still jax open. It's much better match than giving them a great jungler while your team is stuck with a useless jungler. Dyrus can't jax and I don't think jax is nearly as good as shyv Except every single team disagrees with this, cuz jax eating far more bans than shyv. they're wrong, and what does it matter if dyrus doesn't play jax yeah, the top 8 teams in NA are wrong. Cuz you know so much better bly. Jax is way shittier than Shyv, that's why Jax has eaten like a 90% ban rate. lol.
not as the cost of giving up shyv, with or without jax being banned. the jax bans are either target bans vs. zion, or when teams are first picking shyvanna, I just looked it up. Why do you make me do this shit.
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are you guys still arguing because you believe in what you're saying or you just don't want me being right, I can't tell.
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On June 02 2014 16:00 zulu_nation8 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 15:57 wei2coolman wrote:On June 02 2014 15:54 zulu_nation8 wrote:
hey, i'm talking about if crumbz is better at non top 4 champs than amazing is, the answer is obviously yes, if the top 4 are banned, it is of my opinion that crumbz would feel more comfortable with whatever jungler he picks than amazing with w/e jungler he picks. That is the topic of my current argument. Crumbz on lee sin = really comfortable + lee sin is strong vs amazing: uncomfortable and on 2nd tier jungler vs Crumbz on (x jungler you think he's comfortable + 2nd tier jungler) on vs amazing : uncomfortable 2nd tier jungler. the "lee sin is strong compared to 2nd tier jungler" component is a big enough reason to warrant the ban. On June 02 2014 15:55 zulu_nation8 wrote:On June 02 2014 15:53 wei2coolman wrote:On June 02 2014 15:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:On June 02 2014 15:47 O-ops wrote:On June 02 2014 15:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
let's say kha/eve/elise are banned, jungler A aka Diginitas Crumbzz can play xin and lee, jungler B aka TSM Amazing can only play lee.
If team Solomid bans lee, jungler A aka Dignitas Crumbzz can still play xin, jungler B aka TSM Amazing will have to play a champion he doesn't know
If team Dignitas does not ban lee, jungler A aka Dignitas Crumbzz picks lee, jungler B aka TSM Amazing will have to play a champion he doesn't know
This is assuming team Dignitas bans lee instead of shyvana, which they would pick if team Solomid picks lee.
In which of these scenarios does banning lee make sense?
Shyv is ilke 27-3 both region's splits combined so far this season. Are you monte? ....so with this edited post, where is the assumption that crumbz can play xin is coming from? Haven't touched xin once last split either, out of the 8 junglers he played. It's like, every jungler plays those 4 and pretty much only those 4. I don't even know why you are assuming that these other junglers had some secret tech outside those 4 that make them such bullies over amazing when he had to pick something other than kha/elise/lee/eve. They're all equally shitty lol, which make banning lee sin even more tempting since without jungle pressure there are no one that can cleanly beat dyrus top and bjerg mid. Bot's rather iffy but they're still nowhere near Wiz/Daydream. crumbz is good at xin/kayle/vi/wu, I'm sure he wouldn'tve cared if he had to play any of those vs. something Amazing couldn't play. Except the fact that he keeps picking lee sin/elise this split over that other stuff, cuz they're clearly contested picks in the current meta. On June 02 2014 15:51 zulu_nation8 wrote:On June 02 2014 15:47 Ym1r wrote:
Definitely banning Lee Sin would have been the better choice for TSM.
The bans were obviously targeted towards Amazing to make him uncomfortable as possible, so removing all the great junglers from the pool makes both teams have stupid subpar junglers.
If they ban Lee Sin and dig took Shyvana first, there's still jax open. It's much better match than giving them a great jungler while your team is stuck with a useless jungler. Dyrus can't jax and I don't think jax is nearly as good as shyv Except every single team disagrees with this, cuz jax eating far more bans than shyv. they're wrong, and what does it matter if dyrus doesn't play jax yeah, the top 8 teams in NA are wrong. Cuz you know so much better bly. Jax is way shittier than Shyv, that's why Jax has eaten like a 90% ban rate. lol. not as the cost of giving up shyv, with or without jax being banned. t he jax bans are either target bans vs. zion, or when teams are first picking shyvanna, I just looked it up. Why do you make me do this shit.
Are you mentally ill? rofl, all the jax bans this split have been targeted fucking every toplaner.
Also, lets put this in perspective. TSM banned Kass/Leblanc/Lucian. You telling me they couldn't sac the lucian ban for a lee sin ban here?
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On June 02 2014 15:55 zulu_nation8 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 15:53 wei2coolman wrote:On June 02 2014 15:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:On June 02 2014 15:47 O-ops wrote:On June 02 2014 15:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
let's say kha/eve/elise are banned, jungler A aka Diginitas Crumbzz can play xin and lee, jungler B aka TSM Amazing can only play lee.
If team Solomid bans lee, jungler A aka Dignitas Crumbzz can still play xin, jungler B aka TSM Amazing will have to play a champion he doesn't know
If team Dignitas does not ban lee, jungler A aka Dignitas Crumbzz picks lee, jungler B aka TSM Amazing will have to play a champion he doesn't know
This is assuming team Dignitas bans lee instead of shyvana, which they would pick if team Solomid picks lee.
In which of these scenarios does banning lee make sense?
Shyv is ilke 27-3 both region's splits combined so far this season. Are you monte? ....so with this edited post, where is the assumption that crumbz can play xin is coming from? Haven't touched xin once last split either, out of the 8 junglers he played. It's like, every jungler plays those 4 and pretty much only those 4. I don't even know why you are assuming that these other junglers had some secret tech outside those 4 that make them such bullies over amazing when he had to pick something other than kha/elise/lee/eve. They're all equally shitty lol, which make banning lee sin even more tempting since without jungle pressure there are no one that can cleanly beat dyrus top and bjerg mid. Bot's rather iffy but they're still nowhere near Wiz/Daydream. crumbz is good at xin/kayle/vi/wu, I'm sure he wouldn'tve cared if he had to play any of those vs. something Amazing couldn't play. Except the fact that he keeps picking lee sin/elise this split over that other stuff, cuz they're clearly contested picks in the current meta. On June 02 2014 15:51 zulu_nation8 wrote:On June 02 2014 15:47 Ym1r wrote:
Definitely banning Lee Sin would have been the better choice for TSM.
The bans were obviously targeted towards Amazing to make him uncomfortable as possible, so removing all the great junglers from the pool makes both teams have stupid subpar junglers.
If they ban Lee Sin and dig took Shyvana first, there's still jax open. It's much better match than giving them a great jungler while your team is stuck with a useless jungler. Dyrus can't jax and I don't think jax is nearly as good as shyv Except every single team disagrees with this, cuz jax eating far more bans than shyv. they're wrong, and what does it matter if dyrus doesn't play jax
It doesn't matter if dyrus play anything against these 3 teams since they know Dyrus would get shit on with any pick if his jungler gives him less pressure than theirs. All three games, Dyrus received a grand total of 0 target ban.
These three teams know their junglers are good. They're not gonna give a shit about shy's record lol.
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On June 02 2014 15:58 zulu_nation8 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 15:57 O-ops wrote:On June 02 2014 15:54 zulu_nation8 wrote:
hey, i'm talking about if crumbz is better at non top 4 champs than amazing is, the answer is obviously yes, if the top 4 are banned, it is of my opinion that crumbz would feel more comfortable with whatever jungler he picks than amazing with w/e jungler he picks. That is the topic of my current argument. wat. what I meant was, if khazix, elise, evelyn, and lee sin are all banned, then crumbz would still have the advantage because he has a wider jungler pool than amazing. Next time you need clarification feel free to ask.
wat
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On June 02 2014 16:04 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 16:00 zulu_nation8 wrote:On June 02 2014 15:57 wei2coolman wrote:On June 02 2014 15:54 zulu_nation8 wrote:
hey, i'm talking about if crumbz is better at non top 4 champs than amazing is, the answer is obviously yes, if the top 4 are banned, it is of my opinion that crumbz would feel more comfortable with whatever jungler he picks than amazing with w/e jungler he picks. That is the topic of my current argument. Crumbz on lee sin = really comfortable + lee sin is strong vs amazing: uncomfortable and on 2nd tier jungler vs Crumbz on (x jungler you think he's comfortable + 2nd tier jungler) on vs amazing : uncomfortable 2nd tier jungler. the "lee sin is strong compared to 2nd tier jungler" component is a big enough reason to warrant the ban. On June 02 2014 15:55 zulu_nation8 wrote:On June 02 2014 15:53 wei2coolman wrote:On June 02 2014 15:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:On June 02 2014 15:47 O-ops wrote:On June 02 2014 15:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
let's say kha/eve/elise are banned, jungler A aka Diginitas Crumbzz can play xin and lee, jungler B aka TSM Amazing can only play lee.
If team Solomid bans lee, jungler A aka Dignitas Crumbzz can still play xin, jungler B aka TSM Amazing will have to play a champion he doesn't know
If team Dignitas does not ban lee, jungler A aka Dignitas Crumbzz picks lee, jungler B aka TSM Amazing will have to play a champion he doesn't know
This is assuming team Dignitas bans lee instead of shyvana, which they would pick if team Solomid picks lee.
In which of these scenarios does banning lee make sense?
Shyv is ilke 27-3 both region's splits combined so far this season. Are you monte? ....so with this edited post, where is the assumption that crumbz can play xin is coming from? Haven't touched xin once last split either, out of the 8 junglers he played. It's like, every jungler plays those 4 and pretty much only those 4. I don't even know why you are assuming that these other junglers had some secret tech outside those 4 that make them such bullies over amazing when he had to pick something other than kha/elise/lee/eve. They're all equally shitty lol, which make banning lee sin even more tempting since without jungle pressure there are no one that can cleanly beat dyrus top and bjerg mid. Bot's rather iffy but they're still nowhere near Wiz/Daydream. crumbz is good at xin/kayle/vi/wu, I'm sure he wouldn'tve cared if he had to play any of those vs. something Amazing couldn't play. Except the fact that he keeps picking lee sin/elise this split over that other stuff, cuz they're clearly contested picks in the current meta. On June 02 2014 15:51 zulu_nation8 wrote:On June 02 2014 15:47 Ym1r wrote:
Definitely banning Lee Sin would have been the better choice for TSM.
The bans were obviously targeted towards Amazing to make him uncomfortable as possible, so removing all the great junglers from the pool makes both teams have stupid subpar junglers.
If they ban Lee Sin and dig took Shyvana first, there's still jax open. It's much better match than giving them a great jungler while your team is stuck with a useless jungler. Dyrus can't jax and I don't think jax is nearly as good as shyv Except every single team disagrees with this, cuz jax eating far more bans than shyv. they're wrong, and what does it matter if dyrus doesn't play jax yeah, the top 8 teams in NA are wrong. Cuz you know so much better bly. Jax is way shittier than Shyv, that's why Jax has eaten like a 90% ban rate. lol. not as the cost of giving up shyv, with or without jax being banned. t he jax bans are either target bans vs. zion, or when teams are first picking shyvanna, I just looked it up. Why do you make me do this shit. Are you mentally ill? rofl, all the jax bans this split have been targeted fucking every toplaner.
you see, when a top laner such as Dyrus doesn't play jax competitively, teams do not need to, and have not banned it against him; hence the difference between a targeted jax ban vs. someone who plays it very well like zion and a non target, general ban such as kassadin, shyvana, etc.
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On June 02 2014 16:05 O-ops wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 15:58 zulu_nation8 wrote:On June 02 2014 15:57 O-ops wrote:On June 02 2014 15:54 zulu_nation8 wrote:
hey, i'm talking about if crumbz is better at non top 4 champs than amazing is, the answer is obviously yes, if the top 4 are banned, it is of my opinion that crumbz would feel more comfortable with whatever jungler he picks than amazing with w/e jungler he picks. That is the topic of my current argument. wat. what I meant was, if khazix, elise, evelyn, and lee sin are all banned, then crumbz would still have the advantage because he has a wider jungler pool than amazing. Next time you need clarification feel free to ask. wat
Crumbz has a wide jungler pool, he plays a lot of junglers, Amazing doesn't play a lot of junglers and thus has a narrow jungler pool, as shown thus far in NA Summer split.
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Ust watched the vod, holy shit kiwikid with the fucking god bubble on turtle.
Classic na baron throw twice in a single game
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On June 02 2014 16:04 O-ops wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 15:55 zulu_nation8 wrote:On June 02 2014 15:53 wei2coolman wrote:On June 02 2014 15:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:On June 02 2014 15:47 O-ops wrote:On June 02 2014 15:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
let's say kha/eve/elise are banned, jungler A aka Diginitas Crumbzz can play xin and lee, jungler B aka TSM Amazing can only play lee.
If team Solomid bans lee, jungler A aka Dignitas Crumbzz can still play xin, jungler B aka TSM Amazing will have to play a champion he doesn't know
If team Dignitas does not ban lee, jungler A aka Dignitas Crumbzz picks lee, jungler B aka TSM Amazing will have to play a champion he doesn't know
This is assuming team Dignitas bans lee instead of shyvana, which they would pick if team Solomid picks lee.
In which of these scenarios does banning lee make sense?
Shyv is ilke 27-3 both region's splits combined so far this season. Are you monte? ....so with this edited post, where is the assumption that crumbz can play xin is coming from? Haven't touched xin once last split either, out of the 8 junglers he played. It's like, every jungler plays those 4 and pretty much only those 4. I don't even know why you are assuming that these other junglers had some secret tech outside those 4 that make them such bullies over amazing when he had to pick something other than kha/elise/lee/eve. They're all equally shitty lol, which make banning lee sin even more tempting since without jungle pressure there are no one that can cleanly beat dyrus top and bjerg mid. Bot's rather iffy but they're still nowhere near Wiz/Daydream. crumbz is good at xin/kayle/vi/wu, I'm sure he wouldn'tve cared if he had to play any of those vs. something Amazing couldn't play. Except the fact that he keeps picking lee sin/elise this split over that other stuff, cuz they're clearly contested picks in the current meta. On June 02 2014 15:51 zulu_nation8 wrote:On June 02 2014 15:47 Ym1r wrote:
Definitely banning Lee Sin would have been the better choice for TSM.
The bans were obviously targeted towards Amazing to make him uncomfortable as possible, so removing all the great junglers from the pool makes both teams have stupid subpar junglers.
If they ban Lee Sin and dig took Shyvana first, there's still jax open. It's much better match than giving them a great jungler while your team is stuck with a useless jungler. Dyrus can't jax and I don't think jax is nearly as good as shyv Except every single team disagrees with this, cuz jax eating far more bans than shyv. they're wrong, and what does it matter if dyrus doesn't play jax It doesn't matter if dyrus play anything against these 3 teams since they know Dyrus would get shit on with any pick if his jungler gives him less pressure than theirs. All three games, Dyrus received a grand total of 0 target ban. These three teams know their junglers are good. They're not gonna give a shit about shy's record lol.
so basically you're arguing lee sin is more op than shyvanna, good for you.
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i think the argument is:
monte and others think that there are 4 jungle champions that are clearly a tier above the rest, if the opponent bans 3 of those, you should ban the fourth so you dont end up playing one of the second tier jungle vs a tier 1 jungle.
bly thinks that there are other equivalently strong jungle champion and that each player's familiarity with each champions more than makes up for champion's inherent strengths disparity.
About monte attention whoring on twitter with his comment.. of course he is, that's what twitter is for, getting your name out there and all that stuff.
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On June 02 2014 16:07 zulu_nation8 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2014 16:05 O-ops wrote:On June 02 2014 15:58 zulu_nation8 wrote:On June 02 2014 15:57 O-ops wrote:On June 02 2014 15:54 zulu_nation8 wrote:
hey, i'm talking about if crumbz is better at non top 4 champs than amazing is, the answer is obviously yes, if the top 4 are banned, it is of my opinion that crumbz would feel more comfortable with whatever jungler he picks than amazing with w/e jungler he picks. That is the topic of my current argument. wat. what I meant was, if khazix, elise, evelyn, and lee sin are all banned, then crumbz would still have the advantage because he has a wider jungler pool than amazing. Next time you need clarification feel free to ask. wat Crumbz has a wide jungler pool, he plays a lot of junglers, Amazing doesn't play a lot of junglers and thus has a narrow jungler pool, as shown thus far in NA Summer split.
What?
Crumbz played those 4 all 6 games lol.
Where did he show that he can play something outside those 4?
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It was obvious from the bans that dig were going to first pick Lee Sin regardless of what TSM banned (Unless they banned Lee Sin). TSM should have read it and at least put the game on even ground with two useless junglers who don't exert as much pressure as the top 4.
If Shyv is stronger than Lee Sin, why didn't dig take her over Lee Sin? It's because they were not scared of either Dyrus Jax nor Dyrus Shyvana (or just Dyrus in general) cause he has terrible carry potential. They took Lee Sin to remove any sort of pressure Amazing could have put out.
Dig put a lot of faith in their solo laners, especially Zion to ban all three junglers, and it paid off.
I highly doubt Dig would do this to CLG. Dexter doesn't necessarily have a wide pool either, but they would leave up Shyv or Jax for Seraph.
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