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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
June 02 2014 06:49 GMT
#1541
On June 02 2014 15:47 O-ops wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 15:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
let's say kha/eve/elise are banned, jungler A aka Diginitas Crumbzz can play xin and lee, jungler B aka TSM Amazing can only play lee.

If team Solomid bans lee, jungler A aka Dignitas Crumbzz can still play xin, jungler B aka TSM Amazing will have to play a champion he doesn't know
If team Dignitas does not ban lee, jungler A aka Dignitas Crumbzz picks lee, jungler B aka TSM Amazing will have to play a champion he doesn't know

This is assuming team Dignitas bans lee instead of shyvana, which they would pick if team Solomid picks lee.

In which of these scenarios does banning lee make sense?

Shyv is ilke 27-3 both region's splits combined so far this season. Are you monte?


....so with this edited post, where is the assumption that crumbz can play xin is coming from? Haven't touched xin once last split either, out of the 8 junglers he played.

It's like, every jungler plays those 4 and pretty much only those 4. I don't even know why you are assuming that these other junglers had some secret tech outside those 4 that make them such bullies over amazing when he had to pick something other than kha/elise/lee/eve. They're all equally shitty lol, which make banning lee sin even more tempting since without jungle pressure there are no one that can cleanly beat dyrus top and bjerg mid. Bot's rather iffy but they're still nowhere near Wiz/Daydream.


crumbz is good at xin/kayle/vi/wu, I'm sure he wouldn'tve cared if he had to play any of those vs. something Amazing couldn't play.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
June 02 2014 06:51 GMT
#1542
On June 02 2014 15:47 Ym1r wrote:
Definitely banning Lee Sin would have been the better choice for TSM.

The bans were obviously targeted towards Amazing to make him uncomfortable as possible, so removing all the great junglers from the pool makes both teams have stupid subpar junglers.

If they ban Lee Sin and dig took Shyvana first, there's still jax open. It's much better match than giving them a great jungler while your team is stuck with a useless jungler.


Dyrus can't jax and I don't think jax is nearly as good as shyv
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-02 06:54:26
June 02 2014 06:53 GMT
#1543
On June 02 2014 15:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 15:47 O-ops wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
let's say kha/eve/elise are banned, jungler A aka Diginitas Crumbzz can play xin and lee, jungler B aka TSM Amazing can only play lee.

If team Solomid bans lee, jungler A aka Dignitas Crumbzz can still play xin, jungler B aka TSM Amazing will have to play a champion he doesn't know
If team Dignitas does not ban lee, jungler A aka Dignitas Crumbzz picks lee, jungler B aka TSM Amazing will have to play a champion he doesn't know

This is assuming team Dignitas bans lee instead of shyvana, which they would pick if team Solomid picks lee.

In which of these scenarios does banning lee make sense?

Shyv is ilke 27-3 both region's splits combined so far this season. Are you monte?


....so with this edited post, where is the assumption that crumbz can play xin is coming from? Haven't touched xin once last split either, out of the 8 junglers he played.

It's like, every jungler plays those 4 and pretty much only those 4. I don't even know why you are assuming that these other junglers had some secret tech outside those 4 that make them such bullies over amazing when he had to pick something other than kha/elise/lee/eve. They're all equally shitty lol, which make banning lee sin even more tempting since without jungle pressure there are no one that can cleanly beat dyrus top and bjerg mid. Bot's rather iffy but they're still nowhere near Wiz/Daydream.


crumbz is good at xin/kayle/vi/wu, I'm sure he wouldn'tve cared if he had to play any of those vs. something Amazing couldn't play.

Except the fact that he keeps picking lee sin/elise this split over that other stuff, cuz they're clearly contested picks in the current meta.
On June 02 2014 15:51 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 15:47 Ym1r wrote:
Definitely banning Lee Sin would have been the better choice for TSM.

The bans were obviously targeted towards Amazing to make him uncomfortable as possible, so removing all the great junglers from the pool makes both teams have stupid subpar junglers.

If they ban Lee Sin and dig took Shyvana first, there's still jax open. It's much better match than giving them a great jungler while your team is stuck with a useless jungler.


Dyrus can't jax and I don't think jax is nearly as good as shyv


Except every single team disagrees with this, cuz jax eating far more bans than shyv.
liftlift > tsm
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
June 02 2014 06:54 GMT
#1544
hey, i'm talking about if crumbz is better at non top 4 champs than amazing is, the answer is obviously yes, if the top 4 are banned, it is of my opinion that crumbz would feel more comfortable with whatever jungler he picks than amazing with w/e jungler he picks. That is the topic of my current argument.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
June 02 2014 06:55 GMT
#1545
On June 02 2014 15:53 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 15:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:47 O-ops wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
let's say kha/eve/elise are banned, jungler A aka Diginitas Crumbzz can play xin and lee, jungler B aka TSM Amazing can only play lee.

If team Solomid bans lee, jungler A aka Dignitas Crumbzz can still play xin, jungler B aka TSM Amazing will have to play a champion he doesn't know
If team Dignitas does not ban lee, jungler A aka Dignitas Crumbzz picks lee, jungler B aka TSM Amazing will have to play a champion he doesn't know

This is assuming team Dignitas bans lee instead of shyvana, which they would pick if team Solomid picks lee.

In which of these scenarios does banning lee make sense?

Shyv is ilke 27-3 both region's splits combined so far this season. Are you monte?


....so with this edited post, where is the assumption that crumbz can play xin is coming from? Haven't touched xin once last split either, out of the 8 junglers he played.

It's like, every jungler plays those 4 and pretty much only those 4. I don't even know why you are assuming that these other junglers had some secret tech outside those 4 that make them such bullies over amazing when he had to pick something other than kha/elise/lee/eve. They're all equally shitty lol, which make banning lee sin even more tempting since without jungle pressure there are no one that can cleanly beat dyrus top and bjerg mid. Bot's rather iffy but they're still nowhere near Wiz/Daydream.


crumbz is good at xin/kayle/vi/wu, I'm sure he wouldn'tve cared if he had to play any of those vs. something Amazing couldn't play.

Except the fact that he keeps picking lee sin/elise this split over that other stuff, cuz they're clearly contested picks in the current meta.
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 15:51 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:47 Ym1r wrote:
Definitely banning Lee Sin would have been the better choice for TSM.

The bans were obviously targeted towards Amazing to make him uncomfortable as possible, so removing all the great junglers from the pool makes both teams have stupid subpar junglers.

If they ban Lee Sin and dig took Shyvana first, there's still jax open. It's much better match than giving them a great jungler while your team is stuck with a useless jungler.


Dyrus can't jax and I don't think jax is nearly as good as shyv


Except every single team disagrees with this, cuz jax eating far more bans than shyv.


they're wrong, and what does it matter if dyrus doesn't play jax
O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
June 02 2014 06:57 GMT
#1546
On June 02 2014 15:54 zulu_nation8 wrote:
hey, i'm talking about if crumbz is better at non top 4 champs than amazing is, the answer is obviously yes, if the top 4 are banned, it is of my opinion that crumbz would feel more comfortable with whatever jungler he picks than amazing with w/e jungler he picks. That is the topic of my current argument.


wat.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-02 06:58:45
June 02 2014 06:57 GMT
#1547
On June 02 2014 15:54 zulu_nation8 wrote:
hey, i'm talking about if crumbz is better at non top 4 champs than amazing is, the answer is obviously yes, if the top 4 are banned, it is of my opinion that crumbz would feel more comfortable with whatever jungler he picks than amazing with w/e jungler he picks. That is the topic of my current argument.

Crumbz on lee sin = really comfortable + lee sin is strong vs amazing: uncomfortable and on 2nd tier jungler

vs

Crumbz on (x jungler you think he's comfortable + 2nd tier jungler) on vs amazing : uncomfortable 2nd tier jungler.

the "lee sin is strong compared to 2nd tier jungler" component is a big enough reason to warrant the ban.
On June 02 2014 15:55 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 15:53 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:47 O-ops wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
let's say kha/eve/elise are banned, jungler A aka Diginitas Crumbzz can play xin and lee, jungler B aka TSM Amazing can only play lee.

If team Solomid bans lee, jungler A aka Dignitas Crumbzz can still play xin, jungler B aka TSM Amazing will have to play a champion he doesn't know
If team Dignitas does not ban lee, jungler A aka Dignitas Crumbzz picks lee, jungler B aka TSM Amazing will have to play a champion he doesn't know

This is assuming team Dignitas bans lee instead of shyvana, which they would pick if team Solomid picks lee.

In which of these scenarios does banning lee make sense?

Shyv is ilke 27-3 both region's splits combined so far this season. Are you monte?


....so with this edited post, where is the assumption that crumbz can play xin is coming from? Haven't touched xin once last split either, out of the 8 junglers he played.

It's like, every jungler plays those 4 and pretty much only those 4. I don't even know why you are assuming that these other junglers had some secret tech outside those 4 that make them such bullies over amazing when he had to pick something other than kha/elise/lee/eve. They're all equally shitty lol, which make banning lee sin even more tempting since without jungle pressure there are no one that can cleanly beat dyrus top and bjerg mid. Bot's rather iffy but they're still nowhere near Wiz/Daydream.


crumbz is good at xin/kayle/vi/wu, I'm sure he wouldn'tve cared if he had to play any of those vs. something Amazing couldn't play.

Except the fact that he keeps picking lee sin/elise this split over that other stuff, cuz they're clearly contested picks in the current meta.
On June 02 2014 15:51 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:47 Ym1r wrote:
Definitely banning Lee Sin would have been the better choice for TSM.

The bans were obviously targeted towards Amazing to make him uncomfortable as possible, so removing all the great junglers from the pool makes both teams have stupid subpar junglers.

If they ban Lee Sin and dig took Shyvana first, there's still jax open. It's much better match than giving them a great jungler while your team is stuck with a useless jungler.


Dyrus can't jax and I don't think jax is nearly as good as shyv


Except every single team disagrees with this, cuz jax eating far more bans than shyv.


they're wrong, and what does it matter if dyrus doesn't play jax

yeah, the top 8 teams in NA are wrong. Cuz you know so much better bly. Jax is way shittier than Shyv, that's why Jax has eaten like a 90% ban rate. lol.
liftlift > tsm
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
June 02 2014 06:58 GMT
#1548
On June 02 2014 15:57 O-ops wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 15:54 zulu_nation8 wrote:
hey, i'm talking about if crumbz is better at non top 4 champs than amazing is, the answer is obviously yes, if the top 4 are banned, it is of my opinion that crumbz would feel more comfortable with whatever jungler he picks than amazing with w/e jungler he picks. That is the topic of my current argument.


wat.


what I meant was, if khazix, elise, evelyn, and lee sin are all banned, then crumbz would still have the advantage because he has a wider jungler pool than amazing. Next time you need clarification feel free to ask.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
June 02 2014 07:00 GMT
#1549
On June 02 2014 15:57 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 15:54 zulu_nation8 wrote:
hey, i'm talking about if crumbz is better at non top 4 champs than amazing is, the answer is obviously yes, if the top 4 are banned, it is of my opinion that crumbz would feel more comfortable with whatever jungler he picks than amazing with w/e jungler he picks. That is the topic of my current argument.

Crumbz on lee sin = really comfortable + lee sin is strong vs amazing: uncomfortable and on 2nd tier jungler

vs

Crumbz on (x jungler you think he's comfortable + 2nd tier jungler) on vs amazing : uncomfortable 2nd tier jungler.

the "lee sin is strong compared to 2nd tier jungler" component is a big enough reason to warrant the ban.
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 15:55 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:53 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:47 O-ops wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
let's say kha/eve/elise are banned, jungler A aka Diginitas Crumbzz can play xin and lee, jungler B aka TSM Amazing can only play lee.

If team Solomid bans lee, jungler A aka Dignitas Crumbzz can still play xin, jungler B aka TSM Amazing will have to play a champion he doesn't know
If team Dignitas does not ban lee, jungler A aka Dignitas Crumbzz picks lee, jungler B aka TSM Amazing will have to play a champion he doesn't know

This is assuming team Dignitas bans lee instead of shyvana, which they would pick if team Solomid picks lee.

In which of these scenarios does banning lee make sense?

Shyv is ilke 27-3 both region's splits combined so far this season. Are you monte?


....so with this edited post, where is the assumption that crumbz can play xin is coming from? Haven't touched xin once last split either, out of the 8 junglers he played.

It's like, every jungler plays those 4 and pretty much only those 4. I don't even know why you are assuming that these other junglers had some secret tech outside those 4 that make them such bullies over amazing when he had to pick something other than kha/elise/lee/eve. They're all equally shitty lol, which make banning lee sin even more tempting since without jungle pressure there are no one that can cleanly beat dyrus top and bjerg mid. Bot's rather iffy but they're still nowhere near Wiz/Daydream.


crumbz is good at xin/kayle/vi/wu, I'm sure he wouldn'tve cared if he had to play any of those vs. something Amazing couldn't play.

Except the fact that he keeps picking lee sin/elise this split over that other stuff, cuz they're clearly contested picks in the current meta.
On June 02 2014 15:51 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:47 Ym1r wrote:
Definitely banning Lee Sin would have been the better choice for TSM.

The bans were obviously targeted towards Amazing to make him uncomfortable as possible, so removing all the great junglers from the pool makes both teams have stupid subpar junglers.

If they ban Lee Sin and dig took Shyvana first, there's still jax open. It's much better match than giving them a great jungler while your team is stuck with a useless jungler.


Dyrus can't jax and I don't think jax is nearly as good as shyv


Except every single team disagrees with this, cuz jax eating far more bans than shyv.


they're wrong, and what does it matter if dyrus doesn't play jax

yeah, the top 8 teams in NA are wrong. Cuz you know so much better bly. Jax is way shittier than Shyv, that's why Jax has eaten like a 90% ban rate. lol.


not as the cost of giving up shyv, with or without jax being banned. the jax bans are either target bans vs. zion, or when teams are first picking shyvanna, I just looked it up. Why do you make me do this shit.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
June 02 2014 07:02 GMT
#1550
are you guys still arguing because you believe in what you're saying or you just don't want me being right, I can't tell.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-02 07:05:29
June 02 2014 07:04 GMT
#1551
On June 02 2014 16:00 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 15:57 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:54 zulu_nation8 wrote:
hey, i'm talking about if crumbz is better at non top 4 champs than amazing is, the answer is obviously yes, if the top 4 are banned, it is of my opinion that crumbz would feel more comfortable with whatever jungler he picks than amazing with w/e jungler he picks. That is the topic of my current argument.

Crumbz on lee sin = really comfortable + lee sin is strong vs amazing: uncomfortable and on 2nd tier jungler

vs

Crumbz on (x jungler you think he's comfortable + 2nd tier jungler) on vs amazing : uncomfortable 2nd tier jungler.

the "lee sin is strong compared to 2nd tier jungler" component is a big enough reason to warrant the ban.
On June 02 2014 15:55 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:53 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:47 O-ops wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
let's say kha/eve/elise are banned, jungler A aka Diginitas Crumbzz can play xin and lee, jungler B aka TSM Amazing can only play lee.

If team Solomid bans lee, jungler A aka Dignitas Crumbzz can still play xin, jungler B aka TSM Amazing will have to play a champion he doesn't know
If team Dignitas does not ban lee, jungler A aka Dignitas Crumbzz picks lee, jungler B aka TSM Amazing will have to play a champion he doesn't know

This is assuming team Dignitas bans lee instead of shyvana, which they would pick if team Solomid picks lee.

In which of these scenarios does banning lee make sense?

Shyv is ilke 27-3 both region's splits combined so far this season. Are you monte?


....so with this edited post, where is the assumption that crumbz can play xin is coming from? Haven't touched xin once last split either, out of the 8 junglers he played.

It's like, every jungler plays those 4 and pretty much only those 4. I don't even know why you are assuming that these other junglers had some secret tech outside those 4 that make them such bullies over amazing when he had to pick something other than kha/elise/lee/eve. They're all equally shitty lol, which make banning lee sin even more tempting since without jungle pressure there are no one that can cleanly beat dyrus top and bjerg mid. Bot's rather iffy but they're still nowhere near Wiz/Daydream.


crumbz is good at xin/kayle/vi/wu, I'm sure he wouldn'tve cared if he had to play any of those vs. something Amazing couldn't play.

Except the fact that he keeps picking lee sin/elise this split over that other stuff, cuz they're clearly contested picks in the current meta.
On June 02 2014 15:51 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:47 Ym1r wrote:
Definitely banning Lee Sin would have been the better choice for TSM.

The bans were obviously targeted towards Amazing to make him uncomfortable as possible, so removing all the great junglers from the pool makes both teams have stupid subpar junglers.

If they ban Lee Sin and dig took Shyvana first, there's still jax open. It's much better match than giving them a great jungler while your team is stuck with a useless jungler.


Dyrus can't jax and I don't think jax is nearly as good as shyv


Except every single team disagrees with this, cuz jax eating far more bans than shyv.


they're wrong, and what does it matter if dyrus doesn't play jax

yeah, the top 8 teams in NA are wrong. Cuz you know so much better bly. Jax is way shittier than Shyv, that's why Jax has eaten like a 90% ban rate. lol.


not as the cost of giving up shyv, with or without jax being banned. the jax bans are either target bans vs. zion, or when teams are first picking shyvanna, I just looked it up. Why do you make me do this shit.

Are you mentally ill? rofl, all the jax bans this split have been targeted fucking every toplaner.

Also, lets put this in perspective. TSM banned Kass/Leblanc/Lucian. You telling me they couldn't sac the lucian ban for a lee sin ban here?
liftlift > tsm
O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
June 02 2014 07:04 GMT
#1552
On June 02 2014 15:55 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 15:53 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:47 O-ops wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
let's say kha/eve/elise are banned, jungler A aka Diginitas Crumbzz can play xin and lee, jungler B aka TSM Amazing can only play lee.

If team Solomid bans lee, jungler A aka Dignitas Crumbzz can still play xin, jungler B aka TSM Amazing will have to play a champion he doesn't know
If team Dignitas does not ban lee, jungler A aka Dignitas Crumbzz picks lee, jungler B aka TSM Amazing will have to play a champion he doesn't know

This is assuming team Dignitas bans lee instead of shyvana, which they would pick if team Solomid picks lee.

In which of these scenarios does banning lee make sense?

Shyv is ilke 27-3 both region's splits combined so far this season. Are you monte?


....so with this edited post, where is the assumption that crumbz can play xin is coming from? Haven't touched xin once last split either, out of the 8 junglers he played.

It's like, every jungler plays those 4 and pretty much only those 4. I don't even know why you are assuming that these other junglers had some secret tech outside those 4 that make them such bullies over amazing when he had to pick something other than kha/elise/lee/eve. They're all equally shitty lol, which make banning lee sin even more tempting since without jungle pressure there are no one that can cleanly beat dyrus top and bjerg mid. Bot's rather iffy but they're still nowhere near Wiz/Daydream.


crumbz is good at xin/kayle/vi/wu, I'm sure he wouldn'tve cared if he had to play any of those vs. something Amazing couldn't play.

Except the fact that he keeps picking lee sin/elise this split over that other stuff, cuz they're clearly contested picks in the current meta.
On June 02 2014 15:51 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:47 Ym1r wrote:
Definitely banning Lee Sin would have been the better choice for TSM.

The bans were obviously targeted towards Amazing to make him uncomfortable as possible, so removing all the great junglers from the pool makes both teams have stupid subpar junglers.

If they ban Lee Sin and dig took Shyvana first, there's still jax open. It's much better match than giving them a great jungler while your team is stuck with a useless jungler.


Dyrus can't jax and I don't think jax is nearly as good as shyv


Except every single team disagrees with this, cuz jax eating far more bans than shyv.


they're wrong, and what does it matter if dyrus doesn't play jax


It doesn't matter if dyrus play anything against these 3 teams since they know Dyrus would get shit on with any pick if his jungler gives him less pressure than theirs. All three games, Dyrus received a grand total of 0 target ban.

These three teams know their junglers are good. They're not gonna give a shit about shy's record lol.
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O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
June 02 2014 07:05 GMT
#1553
On June 02 2014 15:58 zulu_nation8 wrote:
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On June 02 2014 15:57 O-ops wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:54 zulu_nation8 wrote:
hey, i'm talking about if crumbz is better at non top 4 champs than amazing is, the answer is obviously yes, if the top 4 are banned, it is of my opinion that crumbz would feel more comfortable with whatever jungler he picks than amazing with w/e jungler he picks. That is the topic of my current argument.


wat.


what I meant was, if khazix, elise, evelyn, and lee sin are all banned, then crumbz would still have the advantage because he has a wider jungler pool than amazing. Next time you need clarification feel free to ask.


wat
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
June 02 2014 07:06 GMT
#1554
On June 02 2014 16:04 wei2coolman wrote:
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On June 02 2014 16:00 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:57 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:54 zulu_nation8 wrote:
hey, i'm talking about if crumbz is better at non top 4 champs than amazing is, the answer is obviously yes, if the top 4 are banned, it is of my opinion that crumbz would feel more comfortable with whatever jungler he picks than amazing with w/e jungler he picks. That is the topic of my current argument.

Crumbz on lee sin = really comfortable + lee sin is strong vs amazing: uncomfortable and on 2nd tier jungler

vs

Crumbz on (x jungler you think he's comfortable + 2nd tier jungler) on vs amazing : uncomfortable 2nd tier jungler.

the "lee sin is strong compared to 2nd tier jungler" component is a big enough reason to warrant the ban.
On June 02 2014 15:55 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:53 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:47 O-ops wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
let's say kha/eve/elise are banned, jungler A aka Diginitas Crumbzz can play xin and lee, jungler B aka TSM Amazing can only play lee.

If team Solomid bans lee, jungler A aka Dignitas Crumbzz can still play xin, jungler B aka TSM Amazing will have to play a champion he doesn't know
If team Dignitas does not ban lee, jungler A aka Dignitas Crumbzz picks lee, jungler B aka TSM Amazing will have to play a champion he doesn't know

This is assuming team Dignitas bans lee instead of shyvana, which they would pick if team Solomid picks lee.

In which of these scenarios does banning lee make sense?

Shyv is ilke 27-3 both region's splits combined so far this season. Are you monte?


....so with this edited post, where is the assumption that crumbz can play xin is coming from? Haven't touched xin once last split either, out of the 8 junglers he played.

It's like, every jungler plays those 4 and pretty much only those 4. I don't even know why you are assuming that these other junglers had some secret tech outside those 4 that make them such bullies over amazing when he had to pick something other than kha/elise/lee/eve. They're all equally shitty lol, which make banning lee sin even more tempting since without jungle pressure there are no one that can cleanly beat dyrus top and bjerg mid. Bot's rather iffy but they're still nowhere near Wiz/Daydream.


crumbz is good at xin/kayle/vi/wu, I'm sure he wouldn'tve cared if he had to play any of those vs. something Amazing couldn't play.

Except the fact that he keeps picking lee sin/elise this split over that other stuff, cuz they're clearly contested picks in the current meta.
On June 02 2014 15:51 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:47 Ym1r wrote:
Definitely banning Lee Sin would have been the better choice for TSM.

The bans were obviously targeted towards Amazing to make him uncomfortable as possible, so removing all the great junglers from the pool makes both teams have stupid subpar junglers.

If they ban Lee Sin and dig took Shyvana first, there's still jax open. It's much better match than giving them a great jungler while your team is stuck with a useless jungler.


Dyrus can't jax and I don't think jax is nearly as good as shyv


Except every single team disagrees with this, cuz jax eating far more bans than shyv.


they're wrong, and what does it matter if dyrus doesn't play jax

yeah, the top 8 teams in NA are wrong. Cuz you know so much better bly. Jax is way shittier than Shyv, that's why Jax has eaten like a 90% ban rate. lol.


not as the cost of giving up shyv, with or without jax being banned. the jax bans are either target bans vs. zion, or when teams are first picking shyvanna, I just looked it up. Why do you make me do this shit.

Are you mentally ill? rofl, all the jax bans this split have been targeted fucking every toplaner.


you see, when a top laner such as Dyrus doesn't play jax competitively, teams do not need to, and have not banned it against him; hence the difference between a targeted jax ban vs. someone who plays it very well like zion and a non target, general ban such as kassadin, shyvana, etc.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
June 02 2014 07:07 GMT
#1555
On June 02 2014 16:05 O-ops wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 15:58 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:57 O-ops wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:54 zulu_nation8 wrote:
hey, i'm talking about if crumbz is better at non top 4 champs than amazing is, the answer is obviously yes, if the top 4 are banned, it is of my opinion that crumbz would feel more comfortable with whatever jungler he picks than amazing with w/e jungler he picks. That is the topic of my current argument.


wat.


what I meant was, if khazix, elise, evelyn, and lee sin are all banned, then crumbz would still have the advantage because he has a wider jungler pool than amazing. Next time you need clarification feel free to ask.


wat


Crumbz has a wide jungler pool, he plays a lot of junglers, Amazing doesn't play a lot of junglers and thus has a narrow jungler pool, as shown thus far in NA Summer split.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
June 02 2014 07:09 GMT
#1556
Ust watched the vod, holy shit kiwikid with the fucking god bubble on turtle.

Classic na baron throw twice in a single game
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
June 02 2014 07:12 GMT
#1557
On June 02 2014 16:04 O-ops wrote:
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On June 02 2014 15:55 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:53 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:49 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:47 O-ops wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:
let's say kha/eve/elise are banned, jungler A aka Diginitas Crumbzz can play xin and lee, jungler B aka TSM Amazing can only play lee.

If team Solomid bans lee, jungler A aka Dignitas Crumbzz can still play xin, jungler B aka TSM Amazing will have to play a champion he doesn't know
If team Dignitas does not ban lee, jungler A aka Dignitas Crumbzz picks lee, jungler B aka TSM Amazing will have to play a champion he doesn't know

This is assuming team Dignitas bans lee instead of shyvana, which they would pick if team Solomid picks lee.

In which of these scenarios does banning lee make sense?

Shyv is ilke 27-3 both region's splits combined so far this season. Are you monte?


....so with this edited post, where is the assumption that crumbz can play xin is coming from? Haven't touched xin once last split either, out of the 8 junglers he played.

It's like, every jungler plays those 4 and pretty much only those 4. I don't even know why you are assuming that these other junglers had some secret tech outside those 4 that make them such bullies over amazing when he had to pick something other than kha/elise/lee/eve. They're all equally shitty lol, which make banning lee sin even more tempting since without jungle pressure there are no one that can cleanly beat dyrus top and bjerg mid. Bot's rather iffy but they're still nowhere near Wiz/Daydream.


crumbz is good at xin/kayle/vi/wu, I'm sure he wouldn'tve cared if he had to play any of those vs. something Amazing couldn't play.

Except the fact that he keeps picking lee sin/elise this split over that other stuff, cuz they're clearly contested picks in the current meta.
On June 02 2014 15:51 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:47 Ym1r wrote:
Definitely banning Lee Sin would have been the better choice for TSM.

The bans were obviously targeted towards Amazing to make him uncomfortable as possible, so removing all the great junglers from the pool makes both teams have stupid subpar junglers.

If they ban Lee Sin and dig took Shyvana first, there's still jax open. It's much better match than giving them a great jungler while your team is stuck with a useless jungler.


Dyrus can't jax and I don't think jax is nearly as good as shyv


Except every single team disagrees with this, cuz jax eating far more bans than shyv.


they're wrong, and what does it matter if dyrus doesn't play jax


It doesn't matter if dyrus play anything against these 3 teams since they know Dyrus would get shit on with any pick if his jungler gives him less pressure than theirs. All three games, Dyrus received a grand total of 0 target ban.

These three teams know their junglers are good. They're not gonna give a shit about shy's record lol.


so basically you're arguing lee sin is more op than shyvanna, good for you.
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
June 02 2014 07:15 GMT
#1558
i think the argument is:
monte and others think that there are 4 jungle champions that are clearly a tier above the rest, if the opponent bans 3 of those, you should ban the fourth so you dont end up playing one of the second tier jungle vs a tier 1 jungle.

bly thinks that there are other equivalently strong jungle champion and that each player's familiarity with each champions more than makes up for champion's inherent strengths disparity.


About monte attention whoring on twitter with his comment.. of course he is, that's what twitter is for, getting your name out there and all that stuff.
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
June 02 2014 07:17 GMT
#1559
On June 02 2014 16:07 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 16:05 O-ops wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:58 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:57 O-ops wrote:
On June 02 2014 15:54 zulu_nation8 wrote:
hey, i'm talking about if crumbz is better at non top 4 champs than amazing is, the answer is obviously yes, if the top 4 are banned, it is of my opinion that crumbz would feel more comfortable with whatever jungler he picks than amazing with w/e jungler he picks. That is the topic of my current argument.


wat.


what I meant was, if khazix, elise, evelyn, and lee sin are all banned, then crumbz would still have the advantage because he has a wider jungler pool than amazing. Next time you need clarification feel free to ask.


wat


Crumbz has a wide jungler pool, he plays a lot of junglers, Amazing doesn't play a lot of junglers and thus has a narrow jungler pool, as shown thus far in NA Summer split.


What?

Crumbz played those 4 all 6 games lol.

Where did he show that he can play something outside those 4?
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Ym1r
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-02 07:19:01
June 02 2014 07:18 GMT
#1560
It was obvious from the bans that dig were going to first pick Lee Sin regardless of what TSM banned (Unless they banned Lee Sin). TSM should have read it and at least put the game on even ground with two useless junglers who don't exert as much pressure as the top 4.

If Shyv is stronger than Lee Sin, why didn't dig take her over Lee Sin? It's because they were not scared of either Dyrus Jax nor Dyrus Shyvana (or just Dyrus in general) cause he has terrible carry potential. They took Lee Sin to remove any sort of pressure Amazing could have put out.

Dig put a lot of faith in their solo laners, especially Zion to ban all three junglers, and it paid off.

I highly doubt Dig would do this to CLG. Dexter doesn't necessarily have a wide pool either, but they would leave up Shyv or Jax for Seraph.
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