EPTHaving Shipthur and Zion in fantasy works fine as well <3
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[NA LCS] Summer 2014 Week 2 - Page 79
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Having Shipthur and Zion in fantasy works fine as well <3 Gogog Dignitas | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 02 2014 16:12 zulu_nation8 wrote: so basically you're arguing lee sin is more op than shyvanna, good for you. False equivalence. You have to compare the opportunity costs in realistic way. Crumbz Lee Sin vs Amazing Volibear + Zion: Jax vs Dyrus: Shyv. vs tsm lee sin bans. Crumbz 2nd tier jungler he's supposedly "comfortable" with vs Amazings Volibear. Zion (supposedly on Shyv, despite Jax being opened, and this is fucking Zion we're talking about). vs Dyrus's other top lane pick, such as renekton etc etc. 2nd scenario is much closer in terms of team comps in isolation between dig and tsm. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 02 2014 16:20 zulu_nation8 wrote: its just about playing mobile/versatile/safe junglers and people circlejerking over it. There's no way khazix is in any way "inherently" better than for example vi in any comp. As soon as someone busts out the kayle, all the sheep are gonna shit themselves over how the "jungler meta" has changed. Meanwhile, no jungle kayle picks anywhere. Must be because pro player rather not play the most effective thing, and rather circle jerk FotM's. What a ridiculous sentiment. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On June 02 2014 16:17 O-ops wrote: What? Crumbz played those 4 all 6 games lol. Where did he show that he can play something outside those 4? last split, the split before the last. ur baiting me into this but I used to talk to him alot and would spectate his games. He has the biggest jungler pool in NA with meteos probably. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On June 02 2014 16:22 wei2coolman wrote: Meanwhile, no jungle kayle picks anywhere. Must be because pro player rather not play the most effective thing, and rather circle jerk FotM's. What a ridiculous sentiment. when kayle starts getting played in LCS I'm gonna quote this post and I hope you'll know enough to ask for a self-ban out of shame. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 02 2014 16:22 zulu_nation8 wrote: when kayle starts getting played in LCS I'm gonna quote this post and I hope you'll know enough to ask for a self-ban out of shame. inb4 all 4 current junglers eat fat rito nerfs. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On June 02 2014 16:19 wei2coolman wrote: False equivalence. You have to compare the opportunity costs in realistic way. Crumbz Lee Sin vs Amazing Volibear + Zion: Jax vs Dyrus: Shyv. vs tsm lee sin bans. Crumbz 2nd tier jungler he's supposedly "comfortable" with vs Amazings Volibear. Zion (supposedly on Shyv, despite Jax being opened, and this is fucking Zion we're talking about). vs Dyrus's other top lane pick, such as renekton etc etc. 2nd scenario is much closer in terms of team comps in isolation between dig and tsm. yes I am arguing the first scenario is better for TSM, if you try to argue how the game turned out is proof that it's not then i will stop responding. | ||
O-ops
United States4236 Posts
On June 02 2014 16:22 zulu_nation8 wrote: last split, the split before the last. ur baiting me into this but I used to talk to him alot and would spectate his games. He has the biggest jungler pool in NA with meteos probably. The last split they both have 2 junglers that's not the 4 that went positive. And you know, that's ignoring all the random shit about different oppositions and teammates because that doesn't fuck up the stats at all. So crumbz said he can play a bunch of junglers. Great. Let's ignore the personal bias for a sec. I've no doubt he can get dia1/challengers on like 7 diff junglers no problem. But so can like, every junglers than currently played in the lcs. And guess what: that shit doesn't cut it here. I'm also willing to bet a limb here saying you don't get to obs the private scrims either, and that's like the one place they actually played serious as a team outside of official games. Voyboy also said he can play mid. hue. By the way, you talk with him and obs his game, but what's your basis for comparison when you don't talk to and obs amazing? Actually, what's your basis for verifying his statement is true at all against A-class competition? | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Jax has a 60% winrate against shyv in toplane match up in diamond league. Yeah, i know its not pro play, but i think it says a lot about why we're seeing tons of jax bans and shyv going through bans more often. | ||
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Ym1r
United States1164 Posts
Those junglers just offer so much more than some thing like Kayle that takes time to ramp up to effectively work. The point of jungling in pro games is to put pressure down early not sit in the jungle and farm forever until you come out with your core items. That's why you see more spirit stone items than feral flares. In some cases carry junglers do come out but that is very rare. Putting carries in lanes much more ideal. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
Well eveyr team except for eg because snoopeh somehow manages to stay pro without playing lee. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
http://lol.gamepedia.com/Amazing who has the bigger jungler pool I wonder? I also watch EU LCS, it's pretty clear amazing can only lee. Sry shouldnt've namedropped, no I don't watch his scrims. I know he picks up new junglers very fast and is open to trying out new things. But I've also been around enough to know every jungler has their biases, he didn't think xin was strong prenerf xin until around the time everyone else thought so, then he thought xin was the strongest when that was never true. Right now I don't think khazix is strong at all but he still gets picked/banned. It'll take time before this "meta" gets broken, but probably just 1-2 weeks. Either way I'm confident TSM made the best decision at the time in taking shyv. Monte is wrong, etc, etc. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 02 2014 16:36 AsnSensation wrote: Every teams probably gonna run the same pick strategy vs tsm on blueside until certain junglers get nerfed/buffed.. Well eveyr team except for eg because snoopeh somehow manages to stay pro without playing lee. He rather play j4 and build mobility boots first | ||
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O-ops
United States4236 Posts
It's also funny how they both went positive on only 2 champions outside of the top 4 out of like all those champions they played. Grats, Crumbz proved that he can lose with more junglers? That says alot. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On June 02 2014 16:39 O-ops wrote: Funny how we looked at the same thing. It's also funny how they both went positive on only 2 champions outside of the top 4 out of like all those champions they played. Grats, Crumbz proved that he can lose with more junglers? That says alot. how does win/lose matter if we're just talking about jungler pool? The fact he picks those means he's confident with those champs enough to play them in competitive whereas amazing is not and gets shit on every time hes not on Lee. | ||
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O-ops
United States4236 Posts
On June 02 2014 16:40 zulu_nation8 wrote: how does win/lose matter if we're just talking about jungler pool? The fact he picks those means he's confident with those champs enough to play them in competitive whereas amazing is not and gets shit on every time hes not on Lee. Being confident and actually doing something with it are two different things rofl. Crumbz confident with 9 champs, went 1 positive with 2 champs. What the fuck impact does that do to other teams lol. | ||
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