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Ym1r
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1164 Posts
June 02 2014 07:52 GMT
#1581
Even if Kayle gets played it doesn't automatically make her a good jungler.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 02 2014 07:55 GMT
#1582
On June 02 2014 16:51 zulu_nation8 wrote:
yes he was reason for the first jax nerf in beta, etc, etc. But he doesn't play it in competitive. Anyway i'm gonna stop replying to you and when kayle gets played I expect you to ask for a self-ban.

Jax wasn't that competitive of that pick until late last split and starting this split.... pretty sure he brushed up on the highest toplane ban rate champ enough.
liftlift > tsm
O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
June 02 2014 08:00 GMT
#1583
Like, until he can actually show he can hold his own with something outside those 4 against a decent team, nothing can really be said about his apparently vastly superior champ pool.

And he hasn't. When was the last time has anyone been in awe of crumbz' anything? I don't remember any team ever banning something outside fotm vs Dig last season, or they target certain comps instead. In fact, no one cares about Dig's champ pool as a whole. None of their players has any champ good enough to target ban.

If crumbz had anything good in his pocket everyone would pick up on it a long time ago. He isn't some new blood.
Fan of the Jangbanger
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
June 02 2014 10:04 GMT
#1584
On June 02 2014 16:55 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 16:51 zulu_nation8 wrote:
yes he was reason for the first jax nerf in beta, etc, etc. But he doesn't play it in competitive. Anyway i'm gonna stop replying to you and when kayle gets played I expect you to ask for a self-ban.

Jax wasn't that competitive of that pick until late last split and starting this split.... pretty sure he brushed up on the highest toplane ban rate champ enough.

Mostly it was Shen/Renekton/singed/rumble all receiving nerfs, along with the 2v1 meta. Every one of those picks played properly would dunk him 1v1 for many levels, and probably get their team an insurmountable advantage before Jax could scale up.
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
June 02 2014 10:12 GMT
#1585
On June 02 2014 14:27 zulu_nation8 wrote:
if it's obvious, so why do it? show his twitter followers how smart he is? show himself?

It's advertising.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
June 02 2014 10:17 GMT
#1586
On June 02 2014 16:37 zulu_nation8 wrote:
http://lol.gamepedia.com/Crumbzz

http://lol.gamepedia.com/Amazing

who has the bigger jungler pool I wonder?

I also watch EU LCS, it's pretty clear amazing can only lee. Sry shouldnt've namedropped, no I don't watch his scrims. I know he picks up new junglers very fast and is open to trying out new things. But I've also been around enough to know every jungler has their biases, he didn't think xin was strong prenerf xin until around the time everyone else thought so, then he thought xin was the strongest when that was never true.

Right now I don't think khazix is strong at all but he still gets picked/banned. It'll take time before this "meta" gets broken, but probably just 1-2 weeks. Either way I'm confident TSM made the best decision at the time in taking shyv. Monte is wrong, etc, etc.

Khazix did just win C9 a game vs LMQ...

On June 02 2014 16:48 wei2coolman wrote:
Just looked at dyrus's accnt. His 2nd most played champ,is jax at 64.8% winrate. Pretty sure he's profficient at jax.

Dyrus' name in beta was "I play Jax"
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
sataNik[pG]
Profile Joined July 2003
Greece724 Posts
June 02 2014 10:54 GMT
#1587
On June 02 2014 19:12 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 14:27 zulu_nation8 wrote:
if it's obvious, so why do it? show his twitter followers how smart he is? show himself?

It's advertising.


Self advertising is by default every single thing Lord Monte does but here its more than that, its anguish that DIG are doing so well while he predicted them to be bad. In this way he shifts attention from the actuall game outplay to the pick ban phase.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22705 Posts
June 02 2014 10:58 GMT
#1588
Wow, I go to sleep and come back only to find people are still butt hurt over a tweet from Monte?

People like to hear his opinions on things. He gives them that. Stop trying to turn every molehill into an elephant.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
sataNik[pG]
Profile Joined July 2003
Greece724 Posts
June 02 2014 11:34 GMT
#1589
On June 02 2014 19:58 Gorsameth wrote:
Wow, I go to sleep and come back only to find people are still butt hurt over a tweet from Monte?

People like to hear his opinions on things. He gives them that. Stop trying to turn every molehill into an elephant.


Thats blasphemy, Lord Monte doesnt have opinions, he was chosen by God to reveal the absolute truth to us mortals.
Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
June 02 2014 11:58 GMT
#1590
On June 02 2014 16:51 zulu_nation8 wrote:
yes he was reason for the first jax nerf in beta, etc, etc. But he doesn't play it in competitive. Anyway i'm gonna stop replying to you and when kayle gets played I expect you to ask for a self-ban.

Please do, this argument got old a couple pages ago already.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 02 2014 16:15 GMT
#1591
When TOO was playing, did he ever get 3 targetted bans against him?
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 02 2014 16:30 GMT
#1592
On June 03 2014 01:15 Sufficiency wrote:
When TOO was playing, did he ever get 3 targetted bans against him?

S2 maybe? But I doubt it.

Monte's comments about dig weren't too far off imo. Dig got a lot of support staff this split to help out their team. Which is most certainly a huge chunk of dig's recent success.
liftlift > tsm
TitusVI
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany8319 Posts
June 02 2014 16:44 GMT
#1593
On June 02 2014 20:34 sataNik[pG] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 19:58 Gorsameth wrote:
Wow, I go to sleep and come back only to find people are still butt hurt over a tweet from Monte?

People like to hear his opinions on things. He gives them that. Stop trying to turn every molehill into an elephant.


Thats blasphemy, Lord Monte doesnt have opinions, he was chosen by God to reveal the absolute truth to us mortals.


And blasphemy only knows one punishment: death by stoning.
Science>Mechanics
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
June 02 2014 17:14 GMT
#1594
On June 03 2014 01:44 TitusVI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 20:34 sataNik[pG] wrote:
On June 02 2014 19:58 Gorsameth wrote:
Wow, I go to sleep and come back only to find people are still butt hurt over a tweet from Monte?

People like to hear his opinions on things. He gives them that. Stop trying to turn every molehill into an elephant.


Thats blasphemy, Lord Monte doesnt have opinions, he was chosen by God to reveal the absolute truth to us mortals.


And blasphemy only knows one punishment: death by stoning.

I demand trial by combat.
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-02 18:07:50
June 02 2014 17:56 GMT
#1595
On June 03 2014 01:30 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2014 01:15 Sufficiency wrote:
When TOO was playing, did he ever get 3 targetted bans against him?

S2 maybe? But I doubt it.

Monte's comments about dig weren't too far off imo. Dig got a lot of support staff this split to help out their team. Which is most certainly a huge chunk of dig's recent success.


I disagree, I'm about to make an argument that is un-provable and for that I apologize, but my hypothesis is this:

Dig never actually had bad shot calling(or at least it was = to what it is now)

What?surely he must be joking! No friends, I am not joking, I am staking this claim on the basis of options. Lets take for instance our man of the hour Amazing vs. Theoddone, we'd really like to play twitch, but twitch is bad at sieging towers so we need a jungler who can help with pick offs in order to break high ground come late game. In situation a, I have Theoddone I only have once choice because Oddone can't even semi insec, I need Vi. In situation B, I have Amazing well now I have more options I can pick Vi or Leesin, notice how the number of good calls has doubled.

Now I chose to use TSM to illustrate my point because I thought it would be more clear, but the point I am trying to make is when your solo lanes go even at best in every game you are presented with poor shot calling options. rotations are dangerous to make when the other team has a fed mid, split pushing is hard to deal with when the other teams split pusher is stronger than any 1 person on your team, it's hard to prevent deep warding when their mid can play hyper aggressive because he has 0 kill pressure on him.

lets take a look at some options.

Crumbzz: Hey guys QT is fed we should siege a tower!
Cruzer: I can come help but we'll lose top inner for it

not an option.

Crumbzz: there is freefarm top should send QT up there to get it
Scarra: I don't know where Bjergson is.

not an option.

ofc these are genaric made up scenarios, but my point is if you are behind 1:5 calls is good, and in a lot of cases that 1 has some hope based gameplay. When you are ahead 4:5 options can be good, sometimes you can do retarded shit and just bowl them over anyway. I mean Dig has almost thrown at baron twice already this season(improved shot calling lol) but held on to win the game because they were far enough ahead to persevere .

tl;dr I don't believe that Dig has improved shot calling, I just think they are ahead more often. Monte tends to downplay player skill to the point of ridiculousness.
Carrilord has arrived.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 02 2014 18:29 GMT
#1596
On June 02 2014 13:45 Vlanitak wrote:
Dig,gg, 2 weeks down 11 to go. Crossing my fingers, knocking on wood etc etc.

Monte does what Monte does because Monte is as Monte is because Monte does what Monte does.

In other news: won all my fantasy league games this week, good to have 3+ Dig on my teams

You believed all the way. I can respect that. ;_;
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-02 18:38:34
June 02 2014 18:34 GMT
#1597
On June 03 2014 02:56 Slusher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2014 01:30 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 03 2014 01:15 Sufficiency wrote:
When TOO was playing, did he ever get 3 targetted bans against him?

S2 maybe? But I doubt it.

Monte's comments about dig weren't too far off imo. Dig got a lot of support staff this split to help out their team. Which is most certainly a huge chunk of dig's recent success.


I disagree, I'm about to make an argument that is un-provable and for that I apologize, but my hypothesis is this:

Dig never actually had bad shot calling(or at least it was = to what it is now)

What?surely he must be joking! No friends, I am not joking, I am staking this claim on the basis of options. Lets take for instance our man of the hour Amazing vs. Theoddone, we'd really like to play twitch, but twitch is bad at sieging towers so we need a jungler who can help with pick offs in order to break high ground come late game. In situation a, I have Theoddone I only have once choice because Oddone can't even semi insec, I need Vi. In situation B, I have Amazing well now I have more options I can pick Vi or Leesin, notice how the number of good calls has doubled.

Now I chose to use TSM to illustrate my point because I thought it would be more clear, but the point I am trying to make is when your solo lanes go even at best in every game you are presented with poor shot calling options. rotations are dangerous to make when the other team has a fed mid, split pushing is hard to deal with when the other teams split pusher is stronger than any 1 person on your team, it's hard to prevent deep warding when their mid can play hyper aggressive because he has 0 kill pressure on him.

lets take a look at some options.

Crumbzz: Hey guys QT is fed we should siege a tower!
Cruzer: I can come help but we'll lose top inner for it

not an option.

Crumbzz: there is freefarm top should send QT up there to get it
Scarra: I don't know where Bjergson is.

not an option.

ofc these are genaric made up scenarios, but my point is if you are behind 1:5 calls is good, and in a lot of cases that 1 has some hope based gameplay. When you are ahead 4:5 options can be good, sometimes you can do retarded shit and just bowl them over anyway. I mean Dig has almost thrown at baron twice already this season(improved shot calling lol) but held on to win the game because they were far enough ahead to persevere .

tl;dr I don't believe that Dig has improved shot calling, I just think they are ahead more often. Monte tends to downplay player skill to the point of ridiculousness.


It's not even necessarily that they're ahead more often.

If you watch Shiphtur in a teamfight vs. Scarra it's incredible just how much more damage he puts out and how many more skillshots/cc he hits. Dig were ahead or even plenty last split and then Scarra would miss a key spell rotation or skillshot on an important target and they'd lose the teamfight (he even admitted to this on twitter multiple times). Zion is regularly doing more in teamfights than Cruzer did as well. Not to mention the fact that he doesn't automatically lose lane against everyone. A lot of the calls this split feel quite similar to the spring split - especially some of the dicier baron calls. The difference is instead of getting wiped and losing baron, Dig are managing to trade kills even if baron is lost so they don't lose the game off of it.

The shotcalling has certainly improved, but many things have improved for Dig to get them to where they are. Putting out a couple thousand more damage every teamfight just from better mechanics/positioning will help A LOT.

Honestly though, I think that comment by Monte was blown way out of proportion. A better way for him to say it would've been "Don't overhype Dig because they'll need time to adapt and still need to work out kinks in their shotcalling". Dig are performing way better than I expected for a team that just replaced two solo-laners.

Monte does drive me nuts, but I think a lot of what he says on twitter is blown out of proportion.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-02 21:24:09
June 02 2014 21:20 GMT
#1598
Dignitas is in the conversation for top spot this season because their analysis was always good EXCEPT FOR THEIR BARONS. Now that they have Shiphtur and Zionspartan they aren't always playing from a deficit because of Cruzer and their mid doesn't miss an entire rotation because of Scarra (who's a good player, just not consistent, and his champ pool was like Gragas Kat Karth) and I'm pretty sure someone (Hi Vlani) told them to stop doing throw worm so often.

Dig is top 4 for me atm...
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Sleight
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
2471 Posts
June 02 2014 23:28 GMT
#1599
On June 03 2014 06:20 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Dignitas is in the conversation for top spot this season because their analysis was always good EXCEPT FOR THEIR BARONS. Now that they have Shiphtur and Zionspartan they aren't always playing from a deficit because of Cruzer and their mid doesn't miss an entire rotation because of Scarra (who's a good player, just not consistent, and his champ pool was like Gragas Kat Karth) and I'm pretty sure someone (Hi Vlani) told them to stop doing throw worm so often.

Dig is top 4 for me atm...


Top 4 is not a question. At worst they are 3rd. They are the team LMQ wants to be right now and the team that CLG and C9 both need to beat. C9 suffers from Hai being very out of shape. CLG suffers from CLG syndrome + some very uninspiring play by Link. Shiphtur is the make or break point for Dig now and will be the crux in the future. I think C9 will be better prepared come next match.
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TitusVI
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany8319 Posts
June 03 2014 00:44 GMT
#1600
On June 03 2014 02:14 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2014 01:44 TitusVI wrote:
On June 02 2014 20:34 sataNik[pG] wrote:
On June 02 2014 19:58 Gorsameth wrote:
Wow, I go to sleep and come back only to find people are still butt hurt over a tweet from Monte?

People like to hear his opinions on things. He gives them that. Stop trying to turn every molehill into an elephant.


Thats blasphemy, Lord Monte doesnt have opinions, he was chosen by God to reveal the absolute truth to us mortals.


And blasphemy only knows one punishment: death by stoning.

I demand trial by combat.


U want prince Oberyn fighting for you?
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