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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On May 25 2014 22:43 Lylat wrote:
TLERS ARE ALWAYS RIGHT !
No seriously, I think people criticize Quickshot and Riv mostly, I've not seen a lot of people bashing Kobe, Jatt or Deficio. And Monte is respected by most TLers too
Kobe is most handsome bastard in whole Riot community, how can you bash him. He and Jatt are my favourite casters by far in NA and not only in NA.
Deficio made sick progress already, from what was in Week 1 last split, now it's completely different shoutcaster.
Quickshot is good in desk host and play-by-play, he's just trying to do what he can't, probably at some point he will improve but right now - no.
Rivington isn't bad in general as well, thing is that he often stutters at some point and start slowpoking + he can tunnel something for 10 minutes when it didn't matter at all. But his voice is nice and beard+vest = sick comp.
Phreak is good as well but he messes up with bad eel jokes sometimes to restore balance in the world, Deman/Joe are stable, i prefer Joe to Leigh, but they're legally good.
And Monte-Doa-Chobra trio is just sick, i hadn't seen a lot of people bashing them at some point. I just hope that Locodoco will join them at some point in casters team for Champions/Masters.
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On May 25 2014 23:40 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2014 22:43 Lylat wrote:
TLERS ARE ALWAYS RIGHT !
No seriously, I think people criticize Quickshot and Riv mostly, I've not seen a lot of people bashing Kobe, Jatt or Deficio. And Monte is respected by most TLers too Kobe is most handsome bastard in whole Riot community, how can you bash him. He and Jatt are my favourite casters by far in NA and not only in NA. Deficio made sick progress already, from what was in Week 1 last split, now it's completely different shoutcaster. Quickshot is good in desk host and play-by-play, he's just trying to do what he can't, probably at some point he will improve but right now - no. Rivington isn't bad in general as well, thing is that he often stutters at some point and start slowpoking + he can tunnel something for 10 minutes when it didn't matter at all. But his voice is nice and beard+vest = sick comp. Phreak is good as well but he messes up with bad eel jokes sometimes to restore balance in the world, Deman/Joe are stable, i prefer Joe to Leigh, but they're legally good. And Monte-Doa-Chobra trio is just sick, i hadn't seen a lot of people bashing them at some point. I just hope that Locodoco will join them at some point in casters team for Champions/Masters.
I don't think my sides would survive a Lococast.
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Monte has his flaws but the majority of them would be solved by some other western analyst getting on his level
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On May 25 2014 23:25 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2014 23:04 orzeu wrote:
Just watched games from yesterday. I have no idea why no one is punishing Zyra pick. It's so easy to kill her with jungler (especially with ignite on her). For example at 3:20 in Dig vs C9 Meteos just needed to go top instead of doing wraiths.
Also I like how retarded Hai is and ignite Shipthur for no reason at lvl 5. Think the ignite was to make sure shipthur didn't keep going on Hai. He wasn't sure if he was going to all in with his ignite or not so he just blew it early to either force shipthur to back off or try get a trade for his death. Don't see at all how it was retarded.
It was. Shiphtur used q and e on Hai and he was still at 550 hp. There was no way that he would kill him and also he saw Crumbzz going back for wolves. Crumbzz pick up one wave, so Dig lost nothing.
Hai didn't get 6 first from that and he backed anyway, so he didn't get any advantage from using ignite and he lost lane pressure.
Around 8:45 when Dig invade blue Hai doesn't have ignite, so even if C9 didn't missplay that and was in 2vs2 situation they would lost blue, because of no having ignite.
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Finally watched C9 vs Dig and EG vs CLG
<3 Dig looking super solid, didn't expect such a clear win vs C9 especially but Hai's tf looked pretty terrible although he was shutdown pretty hard by amazing CrumbzSin.
clg makes some weird decisions like that bluebuff contest 4v5 into almost a throw but they still look pretty good and can improve further <3 ma boy seraph playing pretty good.
I think if EG ran something like Shyvana instead of Lee/kha and give Altec empty lane farm they could have legit won the 2 games yesterday but I guess naa we won't ever see Innox on anything other than his "carry" champs that are useless post 25minutes.
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Monte is a dogmatist. His viewpoint of the game is deep but narrow. I enjoy him.
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i don't understand the consistent criticisms of innox's play or his champ selection
the kid has been playing out of his mind this whole split, all of relegations, and the last 5 weeks or so of last split. he's not flame, and his play isn't flawless, but he's extremely good and has the potential to be the strongest top laner NA by next split if not by the end of this split
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United States37500 Posts
On May 26 2014 00:50 gtrsrs wrote:
i don't understand the consistent criticisms of innox's play or his champ selection
the kid has been playing out of his mind this whole split, all of relegations, and the last 5 weeks or so of last split. he's not flame, and his play isn't flawless, but he's extremely good and has the potential to be the strongest top laner NA by next split if not by the end of this split
I get that as team manager, you want to be there to defend your players. But I'm not sure if you're just randomly saying stuff or if you actually believe InnoX will become as good as Balls or Dyrus. If he somehow becomes the strongest top lane NA, that effectively means he's going to be better than Pobelter and will hard carry EG in the majority of your games.
I honestly don't see that happening.
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Remember yesterday when innox had kha zix and he decided to attack two people withhis ult instead of running away.
He died trying to kill one while he could go away easily and i think that situation shows that he tries things that don't work and doesn't take it very serious or he is just deluded in what he can do.
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Watching the EG games makes me feel like they have the knowledge and mechanics to be a good team in NA, but their execution just falls short.
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My fav casters are Joe, Deficio, Monte and Kobe. Joe is just great play-by-play without pretending he knows a lot about league. Deficio knows a lot about league, perphaps the most out of all the casters, and generally knows how to share that knowledge. Monte may not know everything about the game, but he knows more than anyone else about pro teams and is the best at explaining high-level strategies. Both Kobe and Jatt know their shit, but it's actually Jatt who gives me the vibe that Monte gives to most people - that he's the arrogant "I know best" guy who will often say stuff like "oh this player should do this and WHY DIDNT THIS PLAYER DO THIS?", and in recent streams he said a lot of inacurate/wrong stuff. I actually don't mind Riv, but Quickshot is really annoying.
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On May 26 2014 01:04 TitusVI wrote:
Remember yesterday when innox had kha zix and he decided to attack two people withhis ult instead of running away.
He died trying to kill one while he could go away easily and i think that situation shows that he tries things that don't work and doesn't take it very serious or he is just deluded in what he can do.
And remember when he started out a level and a half and 10 Cs up on an irelia at level 1 with 0 farm, and, all during the laning phase, Irelia caught up on both? Yeah, neither Balls nor Dyrus would screw up that lead.
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On May 26 2014 00:56 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 00:50 gtrsrs wrote:
i don't understand the consistent criticisms of innox's play or his champ selection
the kid has been playing out of his mind this whole split, all of relegations, and the last 5 weeks or so of last split. he's not flame, and his play isn't flawless, but he's extremely good and has the potential to be the strongest top laner NA by next split if not by the end of this split I get that as team manager, you want to be there to defend your players. But I'm not sure if you're just randomly saying stuff or if you actually believe InnoX will become as good as Balls or Dyrus. If he somehow becomes the strongest top lane NA, that effectively means he's going to be better than Pobelter and will hard carry EG in the majority of your games. I honestly don't see that happening.
all the more pleasantly surprised for you to be when it does
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United States37500 Posts
On May 26 2014 01:25 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 00:56 NeoIllusions wrote:On May 26 2014 00:50 gtrsrs wrote:
i don't understand the consistent criticisms of innox's play or his champ selection
the kid has been playing out of his mind this whole split, all of relegations, and the last 5 weeks or so of last split. he's not flame, and his play isn't flawless, but he's extremely good and has the potential to be the strongest top laner NA by next split if not by the end of this split I get that as team manager, you want to be there to defend your players. But I'm not sure if you're just randomly saying stuff or if you actually believe InnoX will become as good as Balls or Dyrus. If he somehow becomes the strongest top lane NA, that effectively means he's going to be better than Pobelter and will hard carry EG in the majority of your games. I honestly don't see that happening. all the more pleasantly surprised for you to be when it does
So you think InnoX is going to become a better player than Pobelter or Altec at their respective roles?
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to be fair to gtr, it seems like playing top lane tanks well isn't as valuable as it was last split, so he should improve this split, best top na though sounds like coachspeak
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unless the meta drastically shifts, innox will never be a valuable player just by the nature of his champ pool. he really puts a load on his ad/mid back by not being able to play things that can make them better.
A good example would be the game where he got crushed as lee and made it so snoopeh had to camp top, something you really never want to be doing considering how much better ad/mid scales so you want to get them better. Think of the game as the jungler being the point guard and top being the center. You are there to protect the rim and play defense, if you get some blocks and rebounds you did your job unless you are a star center.
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United States37500 Posts
On May 26 2014 01:39 VayneAuthority wrote:
unless the meta drastically shifts, innox will never be a valuable player just by the nature of his champ pool. he really puts a load on his ad/mid back by not being able to play things that can make them better.
Like what? I'm wondering if this is more than your typical Renekton/Jax picks that going on in the current Top Lane meta.
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On May 26 2014 00:56 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 00:50 gtrsrs wrote:
i don't understand the consistent criticisms of innox's play or his champ selection
the kid has been playing out of his mind this whole split, all of relegations, and the last 5 weeks or so of last split. he's not flame, and his play isn't flawless, but he's extremely good and has the potential to be the strongest top laner NA by next split if not by the end of this split I get that as team manager, you want to be there to defend your players. But I'm not sure if you're just randomly saying stuff or if you actually believe InnoX will become as good as Balls or Dyrus. If he somehow becomes the strongest top lane NA, that effectively means he's going to be better than Pobelter and will hard carry EG in the majority of your games. I honestly don't see that happening.
he's been sipping the EG cola.
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On May 26 2014 01:41 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 01:39 VayneAuthority wrote:
unless the meta drastically shifts, innox will never be a valuable player just by the nature of his champ pool. he really puts a load on his ad/mid back by not being able to play things that can make them better. Like what? I'm wondering if this is more than your typical Renekton/Jax picks that going on in the current Top Lane meta.
Every top must be able to play Shyvana WELL or they are doing their team a disservice. Irelia and Jax are two other strong top choices. Trundle is a great fallback, but Renekton is a poor pick given how prevalent laneswaps are unless you can force the 1v1.
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