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It'll be interesting to see if Irelia makes a comeback. Whether or not she becomes a staple Top Lane or just a niche pick. I definitely prefer her over the Renek/Trundle/Mundo that we saw so much of in spring.
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Problem is innox can't carry when he plays carries. Just watch zspartan. His tank play isn't the best, it's acceptable. But everytime he's on jax and lee sin, he has such a big impact in his lane. He constantly draws 2 to 3 people to his lane every game he's on high impact champs. Innox just doesn't have the same impact.
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My problem with irelia is that the current tops also require an absurd amount of time left alone with all the freezing going around so the top pick generally has to be worth the risk of 4v5 should the other team decide that they want their top to get involved earlier. Jax/Ryze and to a lesser extent shyv are all completely worth leaving alone for later game payoff while lulu and again to a lesser extent shyvana can join the team for the 5v4s without being useless due to base stats on shyvana's passive and ult or lulu's itemless utility. Irelia kind of struggles in both regards, she needs the items to be useful so when starved she needs time alone but giving space for an irelia to freeze is never as worth it as it would be to give the same to jax/ryze/shyv.
When jax gets his first item the other team has to react, they have to send multiple people unless someone is absurdly ahead that can duel jax or you have someone like ziggs who can remotely waveclear. Irelia doesn't carry such risks, you can send your equally starved top and she's not going to rofl all over him or insta take turrets like jax does with his tri.
Irelia definitely has her place, in a straight standard 1v1 given the chance to keep pace with her counterpart and hit her item timings at a reasonable point she can still gigglestomp the midgame for her team but at this point expecting 1v1 is a massive risk to teams.
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On May 26 2014 02:13 Fusilero wrote:
My problem with irelia is that the current tops also require an absurd amount of time left alone with all the freezing going around so the top pick generally has to be worth the risk of 4v5 should the other team decide that they want their top to get involved earlier. Jax/Ryze and to a lesser extent shyv are all completely worth leaving alone for later game payoff while lulu and again to a lesser extent shyvana can join the team for the 5v4s without being useless due to base stats on shyvana's passive and ult or lulu's itemless utility. Irelia kind of struggles in both regards, she needs the items to be useful so when starved she needs time alone but giving space for an irelia to freeze is never as worth it as it would be to give the same to jax/ryze/shyv.
When jax gets his first item the other team has to react, they have to send multiple people unless someone is absurdly ahead that can duel jax or you have someone like ziggs who can remotely waveclear. Irelia doesn't carry such risks, you can send your equally starved top and she's not going to rofl all over him or insta take turrets like jax does with his tri.
Irelia definitely has her place, in a straight standard 1v1 given the chance to keep pace with her counterpart and hit her item timings at a reasonable point she can still gigglestomp the midgame for her team but at this point expecting 1v1 is a massive risk to teams.
OGN finals convinced me that Irelia is worth it.
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Am I the only one who doesn't really care about the quality of casting as long as it isn't terrible? I just like the shouting and hype while stuff happens.
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On May 26 2014 02:26 ticklishmusic wrote:
Am I the only one who doesn't really care about the quality of casting as long as it isn't terrible? I just like the shouting and hype while stuff happens.
That's a statement anyone can agree with and still mean totally different things, because "terrible" is very vague at best.
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On May 26 2014 02:24 Sleight wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 02:13 Fusilero wrote:
My problem with irelia is that the current tops also require an absurd amount of time left alone with all the freezing going around so the top pick generally has to be worth the risk of 4v5 should the other team decide that they want their top to get involved earlier. Jax/Ryze and to a lesser extent shyv are all completely worth leaving alone for later game payoff while lulu and again to a lesser extent shyvana can join the team for the 5v4s without being useless due to base stats on shyvana's passive and ult or lulu's itemless utility. Irelia kind of struggles in both regards, she needs the items to be useful so when starved she needs time alone but giving space for an irelia to freeze is never as worth it as it would be to give the same to jax/ryze/shyv.
When jax gets his first item the other team has to react, they have to send multiple people unless someone is absurdly ahead that can duel jax or you have someone like ziggs who can remotely waveclear. Irelia doesn't carry such risks, you can send your equally starved top and she's not going to rofl all over him or insta take turrets like jax does with his tri.
Irelia definitely has her place, in a straight standard 1v1 given the chance to keep pace with her counterpart and hit her item timings at a reasonable point she can still gigglestomp the midgame for her team but at this point expecting 1v1 is a massive risk to teams. OGN finals convinced me that Irelia is worth it.
The thing with Irelia is she works really well if your team comp and gameplan is built around along with her item timings. It feels as if many of these western Irelia picks are just kind of for the sake of it instead of being built around a solid gameplan and comp. That's why you get so many games where she looks useless.
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On May 26 2014 02:32 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 02:24 Sleight wrote:On May 26 2014 02:13 Fusilero wrote:
My problem with irelia is that the current tops also require an absurd amount of time left alone with all the freezing going around so the top pick generally has to be worth the risk of 4v5 should the other team decide that they want their top to get involved earlier. Jax/Ryze and to a lesser extent shyv are all completely worth leaving alone for later game payoff while lulu and again to a lesser extent shyvana can join the team for the 5v4s without being useless due to base stats on shyvana's passive and ult or lulu's itemless utility. Irelia kind of struggles in both regards, she needs the items to be useful so when starved she needs time alone but giving space for an irelia to freeze is never as worth it as it would be to give the same to jax/ryze/shyv.
When jax gets his first item the other team has to react, they have to send multiple people unless someone is absurdly ahead that can duel jax or you have someone like ziggs who can remotely waveclear. Irelia doesn't carry such risks, you can send your equally starved top and she's not going to rofl all over him or insta take turrets like jax does with his tri.
Irelia definitely has her place, in a straight standard 1v1 given the chance to keep pace with her counterpart and hit her item timings at a reasonable point she can still gigglestomp the midgame for her team but at this point expecting 1v1 is a massive risk to teams. OGN finals convinced me that Irelia is worth it. The thing with Irelia is she works really well if your team comp and gameplan is built around along with her item timings. It feels as if many of these western Irelia picks are just kind of for the sake of it instead of being built around a solid gameplan and comp. That's why you get so many games where she looks useless.
That's kind of an easier way to summarise my point, irelia is a champion with clear timings. She's not a champion that can be picked whatever you need a plan and to be able to utilise her midgame strength otherwise she blows. Part of this gameplan is getting her to that midgame, if you pick irelia, get laneswapped and she's starving for 30 minutes then the irelia pick failed the team needs to be prepared to force standard lanes if they want irelia otherwise you're going to miss the timings and you now don't have a top laner.
Jax/shyvana and ryze don't have such constraints, the team is under no pressure to hit a certain timing by drafting them because those three will more smoothly scale up. As the game progresses they get stronger and they stay stronger (Well perhaps with some exceptions with shyv when trundle is around).
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Well said, Fusilero. But if you pair Irelia's huge midgame power spike with Graves and one of the big 3 junglers (dont count KZ), you can just shut out later scaling comps. It takes planning and execution, something in scant supply outside of Korea
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I feel like people's opinion of irelia's late game is vastly tainted by the eu lcs's (ironically) mid game build.
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On May 26 2014 01:04 TitusVI wrote:
Remember yesterday when innox had kha zix and he decided to attack two people withhis ult instead of running away.
He died trying to kill one while he could go away easily and i think that situation shows that he tries things that don't work and doesn't take it very serious or he is just deluded in what he can do.
If you're talking about the gank for first blood, Dexter had a pink ward so he couldn't have stealthed away. That's when he decided to try to trade 1v1 because he couldn't get away unless Dexter+Seraph misplayed.
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On May 26 2014 02:51 ExceliosBeyond wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 01:04 TitusVI wrote:
Remember yesterday when innox had kha zix and he decided to attack two people withhis ult instead of running away.
He died trying to kill one while he could go away easily and i think that situation shows that he tries things that don't work and doesn't take it very serious or he is just deluded in what he can do. If you're talking about the gank for first blood, Dexter had a pink ward so he couldn't have stealthed away. That's when he decided to try to trade 1v1 because he couldn't get away unless Dexter+Seraph misplayed.
yes right checked the vod there was a pink ward
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On May 26 2014 02:24 Sleight wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 02:13 Fusilero wrote:
My problem with irelia is that the current tops also require an absurd amount of time left alone with all the freezing going around so the top pick generally has to be worth the risk of 4v5 should the other team decide that they want their top to get involved earlier. Jax/Ryze and to a lesser extent shyv are all completely worth leaving alone for later game payoff while lulu and again to a lesser extent shyvana can join the team for the 5v4s without being useless due to base stats on shyvana's passive and ult or lulu's itemless utility. Irelia kind of struggles in both regards, she needs the items to be useful so when starved she needs time alone but giving space for an irelia to freeze is never as worth it as it would be to give the same to jax/ryze/shyv.
When jax gets his first item the other team has to react, they have to send multiple people unless someone is absurdly ahead that can duel jax or you have someone like ziggs who can remotely waveclear. Irelia doesn't carry such risks, you can send your equally starved top and she's not going to rofl all over him or insta take turrets like jax does with his tri.
Irelia definitely has her place, in a straight standard 1v1 given the chance to keep pace with her counterpart and hit her item timings at a reasonable point she can still gigglestomp the midgame for her team but at this point expecting 1v1 is a massive risk to teams. OGN finals convinced me that Irelia is worth it.
With how bad Save played in finals and how hard Shield choked, l0l.
Irelia is definitely good. She has her bad matchup against Jax but that's basically it, in other matchups she feels stable at least.
But with Irelia you just have to press right after you got triforce-randuins or even after triforce and teams sometimes go farm more with Irelia and just don't have same impact. And ye, i agree, Irelia in those freezing situations just sucks hard because she can't hit her 20 minutes timing and sometimes you just can't risk it.
On May 26 2014 02:48 Slusher wrote:
I feel like people's opinion of irelia's late game is vastly tainted by the eu lcs's (ironically) mid game build.
Wickd didn't go this speed build, you just go alacrity always on Irelia, it's k.
And he's only Irelia to watch in EU.
OKAY, ANYWAY.
CAN CURSE, EG AND COL GO 0-4?
CAN DIGNITAS AND LMQ GO 4-0?
CAN CLG BEAT C9 OR IT WAS FLUKE YESTERDAY?
On May 26 2014 04:02 orzeu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 03:58 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On May 26 2014 02:24 Sleight wrote:On May 26 2014 02:13 Fusilero wrote:
My problem with irelia is that the current tops also require an absurd amount of time left alone with all the freezing going around so the top pick generally has to be worth the risk of 4v5 should the other team decide that they want their top to get involved earlier. Jax/Ryze and to a lesser extent shyv are all completely worth leaving alone for later game payoff while lulu and again to a lesser extent shyvana can join the team for the 5v4s without being useless due to base stats on shyvana's passive and ult or lulu's itemless utility. Irelia kind of struggles in both regards, she needs the items to be useful so when starved she needs time alone but giving space for an irelia to freeze is never as worth it as it would be to give the same to jax/ryze/shyv.
When jax gets his first item the other team has to react, they have to send multiple people unless someone is absurdly ahead that can duel jax or you have someone like ziggs who can remotely waveclear. Irelia doesn't carry such risks, you can send your equally starved top and she's not going to rofl all over him or insta take turrets like jax does with his tri.
Irelia definitely has her place, in a straight standard 1v1 given the chance to keep pace with her counterpart and hit her item timings at a reasonable point she can still gigglestomp the midgame for her team but at this point expecting 1v1 is a massive risk to teams. OGN finals convinced me that Irelia is worth it. With how bad Save played in finals and how hard Shield choked, l0l. Irelia is definitely good. She has her bad matchup against Jax but that's basically it, in other matchups she feels stable at least. But with Irelia you just have to press right after you got triforce-randuins or even after triforce and teams sometimes go farm more with Irelia and just don't have same impact. And ye, i agree, Irelia in those freezing situations just sucks hard because she can't hit her 20 minutes timing and sometimes you just can't risk it. On May 26 2014 02:48 Slusher wrote:
I feel like people's opinion of irelia's late game is vastly tainted by the eu lcs's (ironically) mid game build. Wickd didn't go this speed build, you just go alacrity always on Irelia, it's k. And he's only Irelia to watch in EU. OKAY, ANYWAY. CAN CURSE, EG AND COL GO 0-4? CAN DIGNITAS AND LMQ GO 4-0? CAN CLG BEAT C9 OR IT WAS FLUKE YESTERDAY? Kevin is good Irelia also.
Kev1n and Wickd has pretty same playstyles in laning phase, but ye, i agree.
Darien used to be a very good Irelia but welp.
Oh God, dat cocoon hitbox.
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On May 26 2014 03:58 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 02:24 Sleight wrote:On May 26 2014 02:13 Fusilero wrote:
My problem with irelia is that the current tops also require an absurd amount of time left alone with all the freezing going around so the top pick generally has to be worth the risk of 4v5 should the other team decide that they want their top to get involved earlier. Jax/Ryze and to a lesser extent shyv are all completely worth leaving alone for later game payoff while lulu and again to a lesser extent shyvana can join the team for the 5v4s without being useless due to base stats on shyvana's passive and ult or lulu's itemless utility. Irelia kind of struggles in both regards, she needs the items to be useful so when starved she needs time alone but giving space for an irelia to freeze is never as worth it as it would be to give the same to jax/ryze/shyv.
When jax gets his first item the other team has to react, they have to send multiple people unless someone is absurdly ahead that can duel jax or you have someone like ziggs who can remotely waveclear. Irelia doesn't carry such risks, you can send your equally starved top and she's not going to rofl all over him or insta take turrets like jax does with his tri.
Irelia definitely has her place, in a straight standard 1v1 given the chance to keep pace with her counterpart and hit her item timings at a reasonable point she can still gigglestomp the midgame for her team but at this point expecting 1v1 is a massive risk to teams. OGN finals convinced me that Irelia is worth it. With how bad Save played in finals and how hard Shield choked, l0l. Irelia is definitely good. She has her bad matchup against Jax but that's basically it, in other matchups she feels stable at least. But with Irelia you just have to press right after you got triforce-randuins or even after triforce and teams sometimes go farm more with Irelia and just don't have same impact. And ye, i agree, Irelia in those freezing situations just sucks hard because she can't hit her 20 minutes timing and sometimes you just can't risk it. Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 02:48 Slusher wrote:
I feel like people's opinion of irelia's late game is vastly tainted by the eu lcs's (ironically) mid game build. Wickd didn't go this speed build, you just go alacrity always on Irelia, it's k. And he's only Irelia to watch in EU. OKAY, ANYWAY. CAN CURSE, EG AND COL GO 0-4? CAN DIGNITAS AND LMQ GO 4-0? CAN CLG BEAT C9 OR IT WAS FLUKE YESTERDAY?
Kevin is good Irelia also.
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On May 26 2014 04:02 orzeu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 03:58 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On May 26 2014 02:24 Sleight wrote:On May 26 2014 02:13 Fusilero wrote:
My problem with irelia is that the current tops also require an absurd amount of time left alone with all the freezing going around so the top pick generally has to be worth the risk of 4v5 should the other team decide that they want their top to get involved earlier. Jax/Ryze and to a lesser extent shyv are all completely worth leaving alone for later game payoff while lulu and again to a lesser extent shyvana can join the team for the 5v4s without being useless due to base stats on shyvana's passive and ult or lulu's itemless utility. Irelia kind of struggles in both regards, she needs the items to be useful so when starved she needs time alone but giving space for an irelia to freeze is never as worth it as it would be to give the same to jax/ryze/shyv.
When jax gets his first item the other team has to react, they have to send multiple people unless someone is absurdly ahead that can duel jax or you have someone like ziggs who can remotely waveclear. Irelia doesn't carry such risks, you can send your equally starved top and she's not going to rofl all over him or insta take turrets like jax does with his tri.
Irelia definitely has her place, in a straight standard 1v1 given the chance to keep pace with her counterpart and hit her item timings at a reasonable point she can still gigglestomp the midgame for her team but at this point expecting 1v1 is a massive risk to teams. OGN finals convinced me that Irelia is worth it. With how bad Save played in finals and how hard Shield choked, l0l. Irelia is definitely good. She has her bad matchup against Jax but that's basically it, in other matchups she feels stable at least. But with Irelia you just have to press right after you got triforce-randuins or even after triforce and teams sometimes go farm more with Irelia and just don't have same impact. And ye, i agree, Irelia in those freezing situations just sucks hard because she can't hit her 20 minutes timing and sometimes you just can't risk it. On May 26 2014 02:48 Slusher wrote:
I feel like people's opinion of irelia's late game is vastly tainted by the eu lcs's (ironically) mid game build. Wickd didn't go this speed build, you just go alacrity always on Irelia, it's k. And he's only Irelia to watch in EU. OKAY, ANYWAY. CAN CURSE, EG AND COL GO 0-4? CAN DIGNITAS AND LMQ GO 4-0? CAN CLG BEAT C9 OR IT WAS FLUKE YESTERDAY? Kevin is good Irelia also.
How can you discuss good EU tops without #BestTopEU
Aaaaand both of vooby's champs are gone, rest in pepperonis
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Am i still banned?
Anyway I dislike the irelia pick into shyv. You are at a slight disvantage in lane, mid game is pretty equal and late game shyv has more impact
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ackerman shyv gonna destroy
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