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ForTehDarkseid
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Don_Julio
2220 Posts
On March 16 2014 08:42 NeoIllusions wrote: This IEM was invitation only. KR has the most strenuous schedule right now. Teams have to prepare for Champions and Masters, so it's actually a surprise that KT B managed to fit it into their schedule. More LPL/GPL teams accepted the invite than NA teams is what you have to presume. Personally, I think after C9's Worlds performance, they're probably the hungriest NA team for international competition. Although not sure why big name teams like CLG, TSM, dig would pass on this opportunity, assuming they got an invite. Fielding a lot of EU teams for an EU event shouldn't be a surprise. Overall, it makes sense, given the situation. Also, the format is fine imo. Edit: @scrubtastic: closing games out in 60 min > not being able to close out games. l0l Millenium and Gambit qualified through IEMs. At least one of the Chinese teams qualified via IEM Singapore. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
On March 16 2014 08:42 NeoIllusions wrote: This IEM was invitation only. KR has the most strenuous schedule right now. Teams have to prepare for Champions and Masters, so it's actually a surprise that KT B managed to fit it into their schedule. More LPL/GPL teams accepted the invite than NA teams is what you have to presume. Personally, I think after C9's Worlds performance, they're probably the hungriest NA team for international competition. Although not sure why big name teams like CLG, TSM, dig would pass on this opportunity, assuming they got an invite. Fielding a lot of EU teams for an EU event shouldn't be a surprise. Overall, it makes sense, given the situation. Also, the format is fine imo. Edit: @scrubtastic: closing games out in 60 min > not being able to close out games. l0l Well, I didn't say it didn't make sense. It just don't feel as a premier tournament like CSGO and SC2, judging by the names. I guess the next International competetion will be Masters? and what will follow after it? | ||
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Anggroth
United Kingdom345 Posts
On March 16 2014 08:41 Gorsameth wrote: How does it favor weaker teams Oo The best 2 go through Only system that is more fair is a full round robin which would be 2 more games per group which they don't have time for. Well the distribution was: 4 - Qualifiers from IEM events (Gambit - Cologne, WE - Shanghai, IG - Singapore & Mill - Sao Paulo). 4 - Invites from 4 major regions (EU, NA, Korea, SEA) no Chinese invite but one region had to be left out for the numbers. As for deserving the invites: Fnatic - placed 2nd at IEM Cologne (highest EU non invite) C9 - placed 3rd/4th at IEM Cologne (only NA team in this IEM season) As Neo said the Korean invite had to fit around Champions and Masters Not sure about TPA - doing damn well in GPL but bombed out in quarterfinals at IEM Singapore | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22065 Posts
Ok so lets do the same format in a Bo3 From the start. 12 games x 1.5 hours each (that is how long IEM is taking. normally it would be 1 hour) = 18 hours for a single group. So you need 3 days to play 2 groups. another day for semi's and the final. You now have a 4 day tournament but only 3 days to do it in. This is as fair as you can expect any Weekend LoL tournament to be. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On March 16 2014 08:02 NeoIllusions wrote: Not that I have 8 teams to put ahead of KT B but Yango told me that Milo has both IM teams ahead of KT B atm. lawlz You could honestly make a case that KT B is not top 8... SKT S, K, Blaze, NJB Sword/Shield, Ozone/Blue, KT A. This is not including Frost and the IM's who beat KT, but I think it'd be an insult to KT B to say they're actually worse than IM right now. I don't think they are, they're probably around the same level as the najins atm. If all we had to go on was the recent masters results they wouldn't be top 8. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
On March 16 2014 08:48 Gorsameth wrote: Ok so lets do the same format in a Bo3 From the start. 12 games x 1.5 hours each (that is how long IEM is taking. normally it would be 1 hour) = 18 hours for a single group. So you need 3 days to play 2 groups. another day for semi's and the final. You now have a 4 day tournament but only 3 days to do it in. This is as fair as you can expect any Weekend LoL tournament to be. One Bo3 approximately takes 3+ hours. 13-15 hours for a day at the tournament is nothing unheard of. But of course Bo1 round robin style in group would cost you even less. Maybe it isn't worthy with the caliber of invited teams, though. | ||
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orzeu
Poland5205 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:13 NeoIllusions wrote: Uh, I wouldn't go that far just yet. I think C9 is securely top 2 in NA. I still consider Fnatic and Gambit top 2 in EU as well. SK is up and coming for sure, just need to see more consistency from them. KT B isn't top 4 KR. Neither is WE or iG for CN. So if anything, LCS regions more or less sent their best. Asian regions sent B teams. It's impossible to say how good KT B is compare to rest of Korea. Masters mean shit and they didn't even play with the same roster. We need to wait for their OGN games to judge them. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35166 Posts
On March 16 2014 08:41 scrubtastic wrote: no no it's understandable you are a KT fan, so I see the thought process T1S plays like soloQ half the time, takes like 60 minutes to close out each game, Marin feeds worse than Worlds Dade and that one win against T1K was T1K picking a shitty team comp and going down to their soloQ level - and getting beat out by experience so fuck T1S, they suck it's cool Totally wooshed there. I listed 7 teams that I am sure are better than KTB. SKTS and the IMs are teams that I think are better than KTB, but they also have never proved anything other than "This team looks good" and the dropping out of groups. Sorry I didn't put teams that never proved anything outside of beating their sister team in a single game when they clearly weren't trying on a short list over a team that has 4/5 players that made top 3 the last two Champions splits and the new guy played top for their 3rd place match. Putting 6 more teams infront of them after a roster change is as bad as the drop XDG took when they moved Xuna to jungle, fucked over mancloud, lost one of the better supports in the region, and displaced one of the better junglers and ending up in 8th. Heavens forgive me for not screaming that the sky is falling and thinking the team can be better than the equivalent of a challenger team. e. Had I not forgot the Samsungs I would have put at least 1 of them up there aswell. On March 16 2014 08:42 NeoIllusions wrote: This IEM was invitation only. KR has the most strenuous schedule right now. Teams have to prepare for Champions and Masters, so it's actually a surprise that KT B managed to fit it into their schedule. More LPL/GPL teams accepted the invite than NA teams is what you have to presume. Personally, I think after C9's Worlds performance, they're probably the hungriest NA team for international competition. Although not sure why big name teams like CLG, TSM, dig would pass on this opportunity, assuming they got an invite. Fielding a lot of EU teams for an EU event shouldn't be a surprise. Overall, it makes sense, given the situation. Also, the format is fine imo. Edit: @scrubtastic: closing games out in 60 min > not being able to close out games. l0l TSM had a clash with IEM in S2, when they asked if they could stream their qualifier games. IEM said no and TSM told them to go fuck themselves because they'd make more money streaming soloq than winning the tournament. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On March 16 2014 08:02 NeoIllusions wrote: Not that I have 8 teams to put ahead of KT B but Yango told me that Milo has both IM teams ahead of KT B atm. lawlz Maybe IM1 and that's a huge stretch, no way IM2 zz. No way CJ Frost. No way Najin Sword. SKT K yes, and Blaze are maybe ahead of KTB, though KTB has traditionally skullfucked Blaze. KTB is on par with Ozone/Blue. I think S is strong but I'm very uncomfortable putting them ahead of KTB, at best on par. Najin Shield I guess. It's absurd to consider KTB some third tier Korean team... | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35166 Posts
On March 16 2014 09:10 oneofthem wrote: ktb does have a lot of international experience. they might suck in korea but probably do disproportionally better against western teams. better than a team like skt s even though they may be mechanically weaker. It's their team play more than anything that is the issue. Insec fitting well with the rest of his team from the jungle will take time, but it's clear it's already a hell of a lot better than Masters vs IM. The issue currently is that they don't even look like KTB. It's like ordering a specific dish but having it miss the most important spice that makes everything click. | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 16 2014 10:02 chalice wrote: this is why i loved KT B going to IEM, they clearly needed the practice and confidence boost and it seems like that's what they are getting. yeah, beating on EU teams is good practice and confidence boost | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:13 NeoIllusions wrote: Uh, I wouldn't go that far just yet. I think C9 is securely top 2 in NA. I still consider Fnatic and Gambit top 2 in EU as well. SK is up and coming for sure, just need to see more consistency from them. KT B isn't top 4 KR. Neither is WE or iG for CN. So if anything, LCS regions more or less sent their best. Asian regions sent B teams. More like C Teams. Sure there are a few studs on those teams but not much else. Good going on inSec but gee golly it wasn't pretty. On March 16 2014 08:55 Gahlo wrote: TSM had a clash with IEM in S2, when they asked if they could stream their qualifier games. IEM said no and TSM told them to go fuck themselves because they'd make more money streaming soloq than winning the tournament. Got to love the position TSM find themselves in. They have good cash flow heh. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 16 2014 06:44 oneofthem wrote: china honestly not looking too hot. but then again we and ig are getting shit on in LPL. Also remember that LPL is, as always, 1-2 patches behind. They didn't even have 3.15 till last week (week 1/2 LPL have the old summoner spell icons), Yasuo wasn't enabled till this week, and IIRC they still don't have 4.1. But Tencent being bad at patching the Chinese tournament servers on time has been a known issue forever. It just means that for any international event not called Worlds, Chinese understanding of the game is inevitably going to be 1-2 patches behind. | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
too add on its basic statistics. If it's a BO1 and a team has a 40% chance of winning a game then their odds of winning are 40% obv. there odds of winning a BO3 are 35 percent. the more games played the more likely the team that's better is going to win because there's less variability. obv It's not very technically feasible though. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
auto-third tier team sasuga TL Also, as usual China got oppressed by themselves (and by the West obv). ;__; | ||
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Blitzer
Australia243 Posts
That said we have to wait and see how things will pan out. I'm actually expecting both SKT, CJ teams and Ozone to be the top 5 teams in this upcoming season. | ||
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