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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 15 2014 21:44 GMT
#3801
china honestly not looking too hot. but then again we and ig are getting shit on in LPL.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
March 15 2014 22:07 GMT
#3802
On March 16 2014 06:41 cuppatea wrote:
So can we infer from this tournament (and previous ones) that Korea >>>>> China > EU > NA?

Can't infer anything from this tournament because you have the top team from NA, ??? from EU, top 4 team KR, and then ??? from CN.

So I guess maybe that KR is top of the world.
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Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
March 15 2014 22:10 GMT
#3803
On March 16 2014 07:07 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 06:41 cuppatea wrote:
So can we infer from this tournament (and previous ones) that Korea >>>>> China > EU > NA?

Can't infer anything from this tournament because you have the top team from NA, ??? from EU, top 4 team KR, and then ??? from CN.

So I guess maybe that KR is top of the world.

Technically C9 is top 2, maybe even top 3 with the leaps and bounds CLG has improved.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
March 15 2014 22:13 GMT
#3804
Uh, I wouldn't go that far just yet. I think C9 is securely top 2 in NA.
I still consider Fnatic and Gambit top 2 in EU as well. SK is up and coming for sure, just need to see more consistency from them.
KT B isn't top 4 KR. Neither is WE or iG for CN.

So if anything, LCS regions more or less sent their best. Asian regions sent B teams.
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Don_Julio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
2220 Posts
March 15 2014 22:16 GMT
#3805
CLG lost to C9 in superweek and C9 beat TSM (with Regi). CLG is the 3rd best in NA and the gap to #2 and #4 is substantial.

KTB isn't top 4 in Korea at the moment. Their play in Masters was terrible and they haven't had a game at Champions, yet. Gambit put up a really good fight though. The disparity is smaller than expected.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 15 2014 22:18 GMT
#3806
EU also has home team advantage, dunno how much it counts for but its worth something.
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Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-15 22:31:42
March 15 2014 22:22 GMT
#3807
On March 16 2014 07:13 NeoIllusions wrote:
Uh, I wouldn't go that far just yet. I think C9 is securely top 2 in NA.
I still consider Fnatic and Gambit top 2 in EU as well. SK is up and coming for sure, just need to see more consistency from them.
KT B isn't top 4 KR. Neither is WE or iG for CN.

So if anything, LCS regions more or less sent their best. Asian regions sent B teams.

I'm just honestly surprised CLG has been doing...non-CLG strategies into the mid/late game, and they're putting together a strong record recently. As of now, I don't think XDG or Crs will be able to put things together by the end of the split (maybe by Summer). While Dig is improving, I feel they are improving relatively slower than other NA LCS teams (notably CLG). Forsee a mid-ranking from them, maybe a "safe" relegations slot"

Outside of that,, more or less agree with everything. Would've liked to see TSM instead of Millenium and see if they continue their lopsided loss-record against KR, or SK.

I think the one thing we can take away from this currently is that the gap between Asian and Western teams isn't insurmountable. I look forward to excellent games panning out for All-stars.

Also for a burgeoning C9 vs Fnatic rivalry. dat S3 Worlds repeat set doe
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
skykh
Profile Joined September 2012
3006 Posts
March 15 2014 22:43 GMT
#3808
Ktb isnt even top 8 they are c-tier korean teams...
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
March 15 2014 22:53 GMT
#3809
shush you let me indulge in the fantasy that SKT T1 wont completely curbstomp western teams and we will have halfway decent games.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
March 15 2014 22:54 GMT
#3810
On March 16 2014 07:43 skykh wrote:
Ktb isnt even top 8 they are c-tier korean teams...

Please name 8 teams better than KTB.
God Bless
Don_Julio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
2220 Posts
March 15 2014 23:00 GMT
#3811
On March 16 2014 07:53 Lord Tolkien wrote:
shush you let me indulge in the fantasy that SKT T1 wont completely curbstomp western teams and we will have halfway decent games.


A lot will happen till worlds. E.g. NaJin White Shield will be Korea's #1.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
March 15 2014 23:02 GMT
#3812
On March 16 2014 07:54 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 07:43 skykh wrote:
Ktb isnt even top 8 they are c-tier korean teams...

Please name 8 teams better than KTB.

Not that I have 8 teams to put ahead of KT B but Yango told me that Milo has both IM teams ahead of KT B atm.
lawlz
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35160 Posts
March 15 2014 23:10 GMT
#3813
On March 16 2014 07:54 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 07:43 skykh wrote:
Ktb isnt even top 8 they are c-tier korean teams...

Please name 8 teams better than KTB.

SKTK, KTA, the CJs, the Najins, Ozone...

That's 7 with me being nice.
scrubtastic
Profile Joined May 2009
1166 Posts
March 15 2014 23:12 GMT
#3814
On March 16 2014 08:10 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 07:54 Roffles wrote:
On March 16 2014 07:43 skykh wrote:
Ktb isnt even top 8 they are c-tier korean teams...

Please name 8 teams better than KTB.

SKTK, KTA, the CJs, the Najins, Ozone...

That's 7 with me being nice.

did you just list CJ Frost and not T1S?
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35160 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-15 23:17:35
March 15 2014 23:13 GMT
#3815
On March 16 2014 08:12 scrubtastic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 08:10 Gahlo wrote:
On March 16 2014 07:54 Roffles wrote:
On March 16 2014 07:43 skykh wrote:
Ktb isnt even top 8 they are c-tier korean teams...

Please name 8 teams better than KTB.

SKTK, KTA, the CJs, the Najins, Ozone...

That's 7 with me being nice.

did you just list CJ Frost and not T1S?

Did you see the part where I said I was being nice? I mean, this is my favorite team we're talking about here.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-15 23:34:29
March 15 2014 23:33 GMT
#3816
even though there may be a lot of korean teams that can play games at a higher level than anything western teams can show, i do think they are more brittle in a series against western teams if they don't fully research the opponents.

a lot of korean teams are players with little experience put together and trained under a more or less strict meta. outside of this training wheel meta can they adapt to the crap that glorified amateur teams from the west can throw up? eventually yea, when their coaches research everything thoroughly but when they don't you can still get stuff like worlds ozone.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
March 15 2014 23:35 GMT
#3817
I don't get that distribution at all...
1 Korean team, 1 North American, 3 (?) Chinese, 3 EU.

Plus Double Elimination format with Bo1 which favors weaker teams.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21858 Posts
March 15 2014 23:41 GMT
#3818
On March 16 2014 08:35 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
I don't get that distribution at all...
1 Korean team, 1 North American, 3 (?) Chinese, 3 EU.

Plus Double Elimination format with Bo1 which favors weaker teams.

How does it favor weaker teams Oo

The best 2 go through
Only system that is more fair is a full round robin which would be 2 more games per group which they don't have time for.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
scrubtastic
Profile Joined May 2009
1166 Posts
March 15 2014 23:41 GMT
#3819
On March 16 2014 08:13 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 08:12 scrubtastic wrote:
On March 16 2014 08:10 Gahlo wrote:
On March 16 2014 07:54 Roffles wrote:
On March 16 2014 07:43 skykh wrote:
Ktb isnt even top 8 they are c-tier korean teams...

Please name 8 teams better than KTB.

SKTK, KTA, the CJs, the Najins, Ozone...

That's 7 with me being nice.

did you just list CJ Frost and not T1S?

Did you see the part where I said I was being nice? I mean, this is my favorite team we're talking about here.

no no it's understandable

you are a KT fan, so I see the thought process

T1S plays like soloQ half the time, takes like 60 minutes to close out each game, Marin feeds worse than Worlds Dade and that one win against T1K was T1K picking a shitty team comp and going down to their soloQ level - and getting beat out by experience

so fuck T1S, they suck

it's cool
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-15 23:43:48
March 15 2014 23:42 GMT
#3820
On March 16 2014 08:35 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
I don't get that distribution at all...
1 Korean team, 1 North American, 3 (?) Chinese, 3 EU.

Plus Double Elimination format with Bo1 which favors weaker teams.

This IEM was invitation only.
KR has the most strenuous schedule right now. Teams have to prepare for Champions and Masters, so it's actually a surprise that KT B managed to fit it into their schedule.
More LPL/GPL teams accepted the invite than NA teams is what you have to presume. Personally, I think after C9's Worlds performance, they're probably the hungriest NA team for international competition. Although not sure why big name teams like CLG, TSM, dig would pass on this opportunity, assuming they got an invite.
Fielding a lot of EU teams for an EU event shouldn't be a surprise.

Overall, it makes sense, given the situation. Also, the format is fine imo.

Edit: @scrubtastic: closing games out in 60 min > not being able to close out games. l0l
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