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On October 03 2013 11:06 ketchup wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 10:52 KissBlade wrote:On October 03 2013 05:46 Blitzer wrote:
I might be in the minority here but I think we legitimately have the best 2 teams in the grand final and they both have deserved their way here.
I think Royal prepped hard against OMG but I think OMG is overall the stronger team. I think the two best is SKT/OMG followed by NJS/Royal. Royal didn't look that prepared against Fnatic tbh, they even said in the interview that they were mostly preparing for the SKT match instead. (Uzi specifically insinuated this with Tabe during the Travis interview). They definitely did not look on form that day and I highly doubted they would've taken the OMG series if they played the way they did against fnatic. I'm not entirely too sure how you can say OMG is overall the stronger team when Royal has beaten them consistently in the last few weeks. OMG are 0-5 against Royal currently. Royal shut out OMG in the regionals 3-0, and then did it again in the quarter final stage with a 2-0. To me, it seems that Royal knows what to do against OMG, and they do it well. I'm not sure how they can be called "the weaker" team when they are able to pull such a thing off.
This is an example of how looking simply at head to head stats is not at all indicative of a team's "strength."
WE is getting good again btw they got screwed out of qualifiers by two weaker teams thanks to silly format, WE is the third best team in China right now imo,.
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On October 03 2013 11:06 ketchup wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 10:52 KissBlade wrote:On October 03 2013 05:46 Blitzer wrote:
I might be in the minority here but I think we legitimately have the best 2 teams in the grand final and they both have deserved their way here.
I think Royal prepped hard against OMG but I think OMG is overall the stronger team. I think the two best is SKT/OMG followed by NJS/Royal. Royal didn't look that prepared against Fnatic tbh, they even said in the interview that they were mostly preparing for the SKT match instead. (Uzi specifically insinuated this with Tabe during the Travis interview). They definitely did not look on form that day and I highly doubted they would've taken the OMG series if they played the way they did against fnatic. I'm not entirely too sure how you can say OMG is overall the stronger team when Royal has beaten them consistently in the last few weeks. OMG are 0-5 against Royal currently. Royal shut out OMG in the regionals 3-0, and then did it again in the quarter final stage with a 2-0. To me, it seems that Royal knows what to do against OMG, and they do it well. I'm not sure how they can be called "the weaker" team when they are able to pull such a thing off.
Royal did drop 2 games to OMG to get put into the losers bracket in that same tournament. They just pulled it out in the finals. They're a strong team and played really really well against OMG, but it may be that their style is strong against OMG's style while being overall weaker when compared to other teams around the world. It's a shame we'll never find out due to Riot's amazing tournament format.
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Lots of things can change in the span of a few weeks. Sometimes a team can just "click". OMG's dominance over summer season was mostly in the earlier weeks. Royal and OMG's records in the last 2 were equal. KT B did a similar thing as they weren't really that strong of a team but going into summer they definitely stepped it up. MVP Ozone had the same roster for quite a while but they were terrible until playoffs hit in spring. I still think Ozone is a good team despite their world's performance. I think they went on tilt really hard and devolved into their former underperforming selves.
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i think omg has an individual talent advantage over royal basically any position besides the bot lane though. if OMG can get a better adc and support they'll be sick dominant in china
in their games vs royal san didn't get that behind in lane. he just made some bad moves in teamfights
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On October 03 2013 12:16 oneofthem wrote:
i think omg has an individual talent advantage over royal basically any position besides the bot lane though. if OMG can get a better adc and support they'll be sick dominant in china
OMG got Namei.
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On October 03 2013 09:47 sung_moon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 09:42 Fionn wrote:
So Royal players make $1,000 USD a month. Chinese commentators make tons more through having their own Chinese Amazon shops and selling food, clothes, and gaming apparel; apparently making over six figures a year through that shop alone. With this being the way it is in China, Tabe is retiring after the World Finals. Any idea how much members of WE or IG make?
dunno bout WE, but iG players probably make pretty good dough. iG is a really rich organization.
Tabe has said in interviews that he doesn't want to join foreign teams and probably won't join any other team unless Uzi leaves Royal, as well. He did express interest in coaching/being an analyst so he may stick around the scene.
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In general, salaries in Chinese E-sports are really really low.
Even Burning (DK's star DotA player) has said that he'd make more money making videos/running a Taobao store, and it's hard to think of any player in Chinese E-sports with more recognition than him at the moment.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
china doing what china does best, rigging the money pipes so that the scene itself gets choked out.
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Tabe appeared on live of 3 episode today and talked pretty in depth about problems of being a progamer in china. Mainly the biggest point was that players can't own "stores" where they would sell merchandise related to themselfs (shirts, ect..). But that the rest of people involved in esports can, and some people, like coachs and commentator make immense amounts of money from those.
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On October 03 2013 13:49 TheYango wrote:
In general, salaries in Chinese E-sports are really really low.
Even Burning (DK's star DotA player) has said that he'd make more money making videos/running a Taobao store, and it's hard to think of any player in Chinese E-sports with more recognition than him at the moment.
Sky?
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I can see why Royal aren't a popular team in China. They downplay themselves and hype their opponents before every match then crush them. All planned, just look at their interviews.
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On October 03 2013 14:47 Imperfect1987 wrote:
I can see why Royal aren't a popular team in China. They downplay themselves and hype their opponents before every match then crush them. All planned, just look at their interviews.
Only true for their English interviews.
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United States47024 Posts
On October 03 2013 14:42 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 13:49 TheYango wrote:
In general, salaries in Chinese E-sports are really really low.
Even Burning (DK's star DotA player) has said that he'd make more money making videos/running a Taobao store, and it's hard to think of any player in Chinese E-sports with more recognition than him at the moment. Sky?
I don't know what WE's current deal with Sky is. I neglected to mention him because I don't know whether he counts as "in Chinese E-sports at the moment".
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wut chinese fans buy food and other stuff from the shops the chinese casters run? or is it mostly League related stuff like idk Lulu cupcakes e.g.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
they sell gaming peripherals and snacks. like meat that was labeled beef jerky but instead turned out to be pork.
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ok so Tabe's interview on Lo3 was really interesting, I had no idea that there are casters in china earning up to 1 million bucks while the pros have a salary of of 1000$ and aren't allowed to have those shops if I understood that correctly. Didn't expect that so many people buy gear and snacks from these casters shops instead of the supermarket/electronic store around the corner:O I can understand why he wants to retire and run a shop like that. He said it's still more profitable even if Royal decided to pay him 10x the current salary.
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So another secret why western teams are inferior
they arent tryharding in scrims according to tabe compared with koreans.
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Russian Federation1953 Posts
On October 03 2013 21:20 skykh wrote:
So another secret why western teams are inferior
they arent tryharding in scrims according to tabe compared with koreans.
they aren't tryharding at all, cause they can't
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Yeah I'm not so sure about them not tryharding. Maybe it's Tabe's humble way of expressing that they simply could be much better than they are.
If you look at the Fnatic versus Royal semi games... Fnatic's performance might not look exactly tryhard to an outsider lol, yet of course you can be sure they gave everything.
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On October 03 2013 21:20 skykh wrote:
So another secret why western teams are inferior
they arent tryharding in scrims according to tabe compared with koreans.
Pssh, that's the least of their problems. Teams that finished 4th & 5th in LCS aren't allowed to play a single tournament match between August '13 and February '14 lol. And Sept - Feb for the top 3. Good luck staying competitive with that system.
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