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PrinceXizor

United States17713 Posts

October 02 2013 18:14 GMT

#301

On October 03 2013 02:50 Thinasy wrote:

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That must have been 99.9% Reddit. Since they favor NA and EU way more then TL LoL does.

These threads heavily favored fnatic. at least vocally.

oneofthem

Cayman Islands24199 Posts

October 02 2013 18:26 GMT

#302

people who posted were mostly the 'anti-anti-european' bandwagon kind. they felt vindicated that fnatic put up a good showing vs c9 and thought they were stronger than they actually were.

c9 isn't strong mechanically, especially mid and bot. so fnatic wasn't tested in the one big area that asian teams, like royal, are strong for. the early laning dominance by royal basically was assured without targeted preparation by fnatic.

even still. fnatic's picks and bans threw half of the series for them. le fizz first pick. that's just sheer arrogance and lack of preparation

Leeto

United States1320 Posts

October 02 2013 18:31 GMT

#303

I don't think anyone expected Whitezz to destroy xpeke so hard in lane. That had a large impact. Fnatic said in an interview that because the solo laners weren't doing too well in lane, they couldn't take teleport in the next games because they would have to play even more passive and lose even harder, so they had to take ignite on soaz and peke just to stay even (which they didn't even manage to do). The teleport strategies that they have are relatively unique to them and might have thrown off Royal, but they never got the chance to pull them out.

Zess

Adun Toridas!9144 Posts

October 02 2013 18:45 GMT

#304

On October 03 2013 03:14 overt wrote:

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I think you should go back and read through the quarter and semi threads. Tons of people on TL predicted Fnatic to win. There's at least one post in the quarters thread predicting that Royal would lose to Fnatic but that if OMG won Fnatic would lose to them.

I picked Uzi, Tabe, and Wh1t3 for my fantasy team.

Gorsameth

Netherlands21950 Posts

October 02 2013 19:15 GMT

#305

On October 03 2013 03:31 Leeto wrote:
I don't think anyone expected Whitezz to destroy xpeke so hard in lane. That had a large impact. Fnatic said in an interview that because the solo laners weren't doing too well in lane, they couldn't take teleport in the next games because they would have to play even more passive and lose even harder, so they had to take ignite on soaz and peke just to stay even (which they didn't even manage to do). The teleport strategies that they have are relatively unique to them and might have thrown off Royal, but they never got the chance to pull them out.

xPeke lost so hard because frankly he was playing scared. It showed esp well on his Ahri where he kept walking around the edge of teamfights and didnt dare to actually commit in. Thats why everyone was to suprised when Whitezz beat him cause Peke wasnt playing anywhere near to what he normally does.

Itsmedudeman

United States19229 Posts

October 02 2013 19:23 GMT

#306

That's how xpeke always plays. Scared. He goes chalice on ahri like no matter what and is typically a very passive laner who just soaks up cs.

And lol at all these people saying they thought royal were the favorites. There is almost no objective way you could have predicted royal to win against fnatic, especially considering the different styles and royal having played a team from the other group. The series was pretty close as well. Game 4 was in fnatic's hands for the most part and if they won that game then who knows? They were making the games harder and harder to win as the series went on. Don't understand people saying royal team fought well either. The fact that fnatic managed to claw their way back despite being like 1k gold down in each lane says a lot and fnatic were outplaying them in most team fights but royal had better objective control and map presence.

No offense to royal as they clearly showed just how superior they were individually in their lanes (except top lane) but with that kind of advantage you'd think they'd make the games much cleaner.

Sandster

United States4054 Posts

October 02 2013 19:24 GMT

#307

Yeah I agree, Fanatic's downfall was that they respected their opponents too much after game 1. Even if Whitezz is a better player than xPeke, and Uzi is better than Puszu, you can't play super scared for an entire series and expect to win against a championship contender. If you continue to lose lane, then you change up your strat - lane swap, have jungler cover etc.

For example, look at SKT. Impact was obliterated by Expession in g1, and was definitely demoralized after the loss. But his team encouraged him, and instead of playing scared in g2, he stepped it up. No one can always win lane, and no team has the best player at each position. Championship teams will go through phases where lanes will be losing, but they adjust as the series went on.

ketchup

14521 Posts

October 02 2013 19:38 GMT

#308

On October 02 2013 20:06 PaleMan wrote:

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On October 02 2013 18:18 ketchup wrote:

On October 02 2013 16:50 PaleMan wrote:

On October 02 2013 16:38 Lylat wrote:

On October 02 2013 16:35 PaleMan wrote:

On October 02 2013 12:36 RagequitBM wrote:

On October 02 2013 06:42 Ryuu314 wrote:

On October 02 2013 03:47 czylu wrote:
it's been a slump yr for china on the moba scene, and royal's card draw w/ OMG extended that slump.. I expect SKT to mop the floor w/ RYL. EU almost pulled it off.

Not trying to attack anyone, but I don't get this logic. You say EU almost pulled it off and Royal's gonna get stomped, but Royal beat EU...

I thought he meant EU almost beat Royal that's why they're going to get stomped by SKT?

how it is "almost" when it was 3-1 not even close?

Dunno if you watched the games but it was really close, except for the 1st game and the one Fnatic won.. I don't agree with this logic though

i watched and first 2 games were stomps by Royal
after that they relaxed alittle bit and Fnatic took 1 game
game 4 was close, yes

I think you are giving a bit too much credit to Royal or underestimating how Fnatic was able to make games 2->4 happen. To say that Royal "relaxed a little bit" is really false. I think Royal screwed up big time and just played badly. It's a very simple statement, but there's nothing else that explains it well enough. That game two was seriously bad.

Lucky was a major reason behind it. He under performed badly. There's no doubt about this to any person who watched these games. His play during the whole series was disastrous. He was much much better in the OMG games, and you can be sure Elise will not easily be given to Royal(I also believe we will see a Lee Sin ban. There's something about that purple side lee sin).

Considering the above though, I don't think Fnatic could have won the series overall. Their objective control was way off, and I don't see how a team can win with zero control of the map. Their team fighting was also lacking. I also hope Lucky brings out better games against SKT T1.

so you are saying Royal "screwed" and played really badly vs very strong Fnatic and still won 3:1 while SKT barely defetead very weak Najin Sword 3:2

so who is the favourite Royal or SKT?
of course Royal
they can win even if they play as "good" as vs Fnatic, but if they step their performance a little bit up - they gonna crush Faker and Co.

That's not what I said at all. I mentioned SKT T1 only at the end, and said I hoped Lucky would do better in their series against SKT T1. I don't care about your pre-existing arguments with other people. I'm just saying that Royal weren't "playing relaxed". They were playing badly. Sincerely badly.

First, I wouldn't call NaJin Black Sword, a weak team. That's not even right. If you want to talk about SKT T1 and Najin Sword, you can put the blame on NaJin Sword's bot lane. PraY and Cain. It was definitely faulty play on their part that lost them a few games. Any time Pray+Cain were blue side, they played so terribly. That's not to undersell how badly they were playing throughout the series though. Even on purple side, they were really shaky. Even with an early level 1 kill for PraY in one of the games, they still lost the bot lane. I recall Impact getting a double kill in a 2v1(+ jungle support) due to their bad play. That's crazy. These two were so inconsistent. The only game they didn't die early game was game 5. They changed their whole style in the last game of a bo5. It shows you that they could have done it earlier, but felt the last game of their bo5 was the best time to do it. It doesn't make sense. These two under performed badly, and are a important part for NJBS to do well as a whole.

Alaric

France45622 Posts

October 02 2013 19:45 GMT

#309

On October 03 2013 02:59 Zizoz wrote:

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A bit off topic, but I'm curious, because as a native English speaker I can't figure out what's weird about this. What's odd about it and what do you think it should be?

I'm dumb and wanted to type "I prefered". Apparently it's the right way and it feels weird because the preterit only has one r while the adjective has 2.

Zergneedsfood

United States10671 Posts

October 02 2013 20:36 GMT

#310

On October 03 2013 03:45 xes wrote:

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I picked Uzi, Tabe, and Wh1t3 for my fantasy team.

Ironically, though, Royal is not necessarily the best team to pick for Fantasy. I had a discussion with CSheep about this but Royal wins in some of the most clutch situations where they're down a kills and maybe even objectives but then Tabe comes and throws down a threeman Annie ult or a threeman Sona ult and the game just turns on its head.

If you notice in the games where it wasn't a complete stomp by Royal (you know...when Fnatic kind of figured out that Royal was just going to full ham the entire series), Royal was feeding like crazy, and apparently that just happened to be their thing in LPL too.

Blitzer

Australia243 Posts

October 02 2013 20:46 GMT

#311

I might be in the minority here but I think we legitimately have the best 2 teams in the grand final and they both have deserved their way here. I do think SKT are a level above though and I think its mostly due to the fact that the combination of Faker, Piglet and Bengi which is better than any other equivalent of 3 players that I can think of on the other teams. The other thing about SKT is they are also incredibly clutch compared to most other teams. They have won several really important bo5's recently (OGN, NJBS) in game 5 in just the last few months. Yes they have shown they can be caught off guard in game 1 by different compositions from strong sides but I'd back them to get the job done by the end of the day.

I think Royal is a very fun club to watch but I think they really need Uzi to carry and up against Piglet/Mandu that's going to be really difficult. Even if he slightly beats him that probably won't be enough. Its going to be a whole lot tougher than it was against Fnatic. One thing that i do think favours Royal is the level 1 fights, I'd think that SKT would want to avoid them if they can maintain level pegging without engaging. It just adds unnecessary risk to their games.

Zess

Adun Toridas!9144 Posts

October 02 2013 21:08 GMT

#312

On October 03 2013 05:36 Zergneedsfood wrote:

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Let me collect my hipster cred in peace,

Zizoz

United States232 Posts

October 02 2013 21:10 GMT

#313

On October 03 2013 04:45 Alaric wrote:

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I'm dumb and wanted to type "I prefered". Apparently it's the right way and it feels weird because the preterit only has one r while the adjective has 2.

Actually it seems it's always "preferred" with two rs. (I had to look it up.) I assume that's because the second syllable is stressed. "Preference" on the other hand has just one r, with the stress shifting to the first syllable.

StarStruck

25339 Posts

October 02 2013 21:12 GMT

#314

The funny thing is they weren't even far behind in those games and we all knew all it would take is one team fight where they get the advantage to walk over them because they were mechanically superior in lanes. Ha.

Patate

Canada441 Posts

October 02 2013 21:46 GMT

#315

3-2 Royal, I expect them to play very boldly in the laning phase and get an early lead.

Ryuu314

United States12679 Posts

October 02 2013 21:58 GMT

#316

On October 03 2013 06:46 Patate wrote:
3-2 Royal, I expect them to play very boldly in the laning phase and get an early lead.

Iunno...bengi outclasses Lucky pretty hard. It'll be difficult for Royal to get an early lead since the skill discrepancy between SKT and Royals individual laners is at best even and likely favors SKT for top and mid. Bengi is also much better than Lucky and will provide the early edge that way.

If Royal wants to beat SKT they need top/mid to be self-sufficient and go at least even, while devoting their resources towards making Uzi a monster. Whitezz can carry very hard, but I don't have much hope that he will outplay/outcarry Faker.

Zergneedsfood

United States10671 Posts

October 02 2013 23:02 GMT

#317

On October 03 2013 06:08 xes wrote:

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On October 03 2013 05:36 Zergneedsfood wrote:

On October 03 2013 03:45 xes wrote:

On October 03 2013 03:14 overt wrote:

On October 03 2013 02:50 Thinasy wrote:

On October 03 2013 02:15 overt wrote:

On October 02 2013 23:08 Silvanel wrote:

On October 02 2013 22:20 Heouf wrote:
Don't underestimate Royal Club. People thought Fnatic would have beaten Royal Club somewhat easy. Royal Club even won with making lots of mistakes in teamfights. Tabe said it himself. They didnt even get behind that far because the were so good in laning phase during games 2 and 4.
This final maybe is going to be bad or one sided but upsets can happen. But Royal beating Fnatic wasn't an upset to me.

Who thought fnatic would beat Royal? Some people joked about it, but here on TL most people were sure Royal would win.

Most of the shit I saw on TL and reddit were people hyping up Fnatic and predicting them to win. I saw a few people even go so far to say that it'd be an easy Fnatic win if they survived Royal's early game. Most people thought OMG would beat Royal too on here and I think a lot of people, even myself, would give SKT an advantage. If Royal wins the whole thing it'll be an under dog story imo.

That must have been 99.9% Reddit. Since they favor NA and EU way more then TL LoL does.

I picked Uzi, Tabe, and Wh1t3 for my fantasy team.

Let me collect my hipster cred in peace,

I was always cheering for China pls

Kenpark

Germany2350 Posts

October 02 2013 23:06 GMT

#318

And lol at all these people saying they thought royal were the favorites. There is almost no objective way you could have predicted royal to win against fnatic,

There is pinnacle sports where you can bet on the matches and yes Royal was a pretty big favourite. I think the market might be pretty objective.

Zergneedsfood

United States10671 Posts

October 02 2013 23:27 GMT

#319

On October 03 2013 08:06 Kenpark wrote:

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There is pinnacle sports where you can bet on the matches and yes Royal was a pretty big favourite. I think the market might be pretty objective.

Yeah.....most people I know/see around TLGD who watched LPL have been saying that China outclassed every region except for KR. Granted many of us also thought KR would stomp Gambit/Fnatic and then Ozone ruined our dreams, but I think people who knew wtf was going on in LPL (and let's be honest here most people pretend like they know what's going on in LPL but don't really know) have been saying this for a while and it's only because so few people care about the Chinese LoL scene that nobody bothered studying up on what the hype was about.

That includes me by the way. I never watched a lot of LPL because of time zone issues. Fucking CSheep had to watch it every night while I was sleeping next to him zzzzz

What I am surprised about though is the bandwagon on Royal to beat SKT. I'm a big Chinese fanboi but I have to agree with Tabe that they do not look like they stand a chance against SKT with their current form. They can go HAM and maybe surprise SKT in one....maybe two games? But a BO5? Royal proved in their games versus Fnatic that they can come in strong and just trample over the opposition, but Fnatic almost figured them out by the end of that series.

Vegetarian Wolf

China434 Posts

October 02 2013 23:31 GMT

#320

In the end, anything can happen in tournaments, including crazy upsets, and if any team might just randomly win games, it'd be Royal.

Should be a fun final set, I'd be happy with either result. Hoping it won't be a 3-0 SKT stomp, 3-0 Royal would be entertaining enough that it'd be acceptable.

To say SKT is not favored would be objectively delusional though.

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