EPTOn September 24 2013 12:16 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
i dont think they wouldve made it out of groups
i dont think they wouldve made it out of groups
If they were in group B they would have made it out.
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Two things as public notice: 1. + Show Spoiler [Quarterfinals 1 spoiler] + Congrats to Fnatic, they played superbly and glgl to them in the Semis! No one is saying that Fnatic only won because of the level 1 in Game 3. Please keep the nationalistic statements out of our subforum. 2. Riot's Worlds format is atrocious. Let's not beat a dead horse here. I will certainly be talking to Riot's eSports dept about it in the near future. I simply ask everyone to be civil. Humble in victory, graceful in defeat. Enjoy the games~ -Neo, Sept 23rd, 3:20 PM PDT, page 120 | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
If they were in group B they would have made it out. | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
On September 24 2013 12:14 Gator wrote: do you think c9 wouldve gone farther if they had come out of groups and gotten to play 8 games on stage the week before? Honestly, it would have depended upon what group they placed in. Group A, probably not, but they might've had a shot in Group B because of how loose Ozone played, not to mention Gambit were also kinda shaky at times. Honestly, I think c9's biggest issues were that they came in too cold and lacked international tournament play. If they'd been around more (ie., existed as a team before Summer Split), or participated in more international events, they probably would have won game 1 (as they lost g1 due to an unusual case of indecision) and never gotten into that game 3 situation. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On September 24 2013 12:27 Kinie wrote: Honestly, it would have depended upon what group they placed in. Group A, probably not, but they might've had a shot in Group B because of how loose Ozone played, not to mention Gambit were also kinda shaky at times. Honestly, I think c9's biggest issues were that they came in too cold and lacked international tournament play. If they'd been around more (ie., existed as a team before Summer Split), or participated in more international events, they probably would have won game 1 (as they lost g1 due to an unusual case of indecision) and never gotten into that game 3 situation. Well, it depends in how Group B would have looked with C9. Say EU got the auto Ro8 seed and C9 replaced Fnatic. The group would have been C9 Gambit Vulcun Ozone Mineski. I could see C9 getting out of that group. | ||
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
On September 24 2013 12:27 Kinie wrote: Honestly, it would have depended upon what group they placed in. Group A, probably not, but they might've had a shot in Group B because of how loose Ozone played, not to mention Gambit were also kinda shaky at times. Honestly, I think c9's biggest issues were that they came in too cold and lacked international tournament play. If they'd been around more (ie., existed as a team before Summer Split), or participated in more international events, they probably would have won game 1 (as they lost g1 due to an unusual case of indecision) and never gotten into that game 3 situation. We can't tell how good they would be with proper international experience, but I think we can agree on that 8 games (or, 6, really, since playing 2 games againts GGEU or Mineski is hardly an "experience") wouldn't have mattered anything. TSM, CLG, Dignitas - these are the NA teams with enough international experience, to don't get caught with their pants off. And we all know the irony of this... Edit: and Curse, sorry. Forgot they even exist. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
Also, not really fair to say they lost because they don't have international experience. Neither does OMG or SKT. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
edit: ok, they lost because of blue side | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
On September 24 2013 12:38 oneofthem wrote: recent experience is way more important than playing 100 games 2 years ago. in this tournament, if c9 played some tough series against other regions (not scrims, which some teams don't go all out for), they could have made adaptations in this version. they lost the first game arguably on picks alone edit: ok, they lost because of blue side Has blue side lost at all in quarterfinals yet? If not, Riot nerf blue/buff red pls | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On September 24 2013 12:38 Itsmedudeman wrote: Too bad international experience is something they probably won't ever get considering the LCS format. Unless IPL or IEM decide to do a really big tourny in the next few months. Also, not really fair to say they lost because they don't have international experience. Neither does OMG or SKT. I don't think they lost JUST because of international experience. But if there are 2 relatively equal skilled teams, then the additional experience is certainly a bonus. | ||
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
On September 24 2013 12:40 Kinie wrote: Has blue side lost at all in quarterfinals yet? If not, Riot nerf blue/buff red pls Gambit lost 2 games in a row. Go figure. | ||
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DODswe4
Sweden2157 Posts
On September 24 2013 12:42 Volband wrote: Gambit lost 2 games in a row. Go figure. only one of those loses was on blue side thou | ||
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RagequitBM
Canada2270 Posts
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Shiznick
United States2200 Posts
On September 24 2013 12:54 Kinie wrote: And maybe this is just me, but I feel like TSM could have gotten out of Group B as well. They showed moments of brilliance/competance, but apparently everyone's gameplan was to shut down Dyrus and don't let Regi snowball and they couldn't do anything to win. not too sure about that, aside from dade/vulcun, tsm had probably the biggest chokes/most noticeable mechanical errors to me. | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
On September 24 2013 12:58 Shiznick wrote: not too sure about that, aside from dade/vulcun, tsm had probably the biggest chokes/most noticeable mechanical errors to me. True, but those are things I feel can be fixed/improved upon, not to mention I feel there's a fundamental flaw in TSM's team composition (ie., Regi being owner + team leader). | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
On September 24 2013 12:35 Volband wrote: We can't tell how good they would be with proper international experience, but I think we can agree on that 8 games (or, 6, really, since playing 2 games againts GGEU or Mineski is hardly an "experience") wouldn't have mattered anything. TSM, CLG, Dignitas - these are the NA teams with enough international experience, to don't get caught with their pants off. And we all know the irony of this... Edit: and Curse, sorry. Forgot they even exist. Curse? International experience? What? Only thing I remember was them traveling over to China to get whooped by second/third tier Chinese teams. Newly formed ones too, I believe. | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
On September 24 2013 12:54 Kinie wrote: And maybe this is just me, but I feel like TSM could have gotten out of Group B as well. They showed moments of brilliance/competance, but apparently everyone's gameplan was to shut down Dyrus and don't let Regi snowball and they couldn't do anything to win. TSM does not beat koreans so i doubt it, also i would favor Gambit heavily vs TSM. I do wonder though why TSM gets so much credit. | ||
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SidianTheBard
United States2475 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
If C9 was in Group B, I would bet on them making it out, based on Gambit and Ozone's group performances. Group A...longshot, and 95% no. Faker too much godliness, and I'm not sure if C9 would respond well to early Chinese aggression. Though tbh, I REALLY want to see those games. Meteos vs Lovelin. Pls Riot. Honestly, I just want more C9 games. That we only have 3 games (2, all things considered, because that game 3 was atrocious, and snowballs are huge) is a travesty. Again, C9's problems lie in the very early game (given that silly level 1), and general warding and ward control. Beyond that, their lanes do need some more improvement (there are plenty of mistakes to point out, small or no), but in general their playstyle and team synergy works, honestly. You could see it in Game 1 with those couple of close Dragon fights despite the super lopsided draft they had: their teamfighting and rotations are pretty good, and Meteos remains an incredibly good jungler. Better than the other junglers on the NA scene; Xmithie's improved, but Vulcun's decisionmaking and legendary throwbargains suck balls (ironic considering Balls was once part of their team...) currently, and given the state that Crumbzz has deteriorated to in the NA scene (whom was, in the Spring Split, probably MVP jungler given how much Dig relied on his early game pressure and presence). Just...the ward control and level 1s cost them. One hideously lopsided, and crucial, game. Man, I really want some C9 showmatches. PLS RIOT PLS. <__<; Watching 8 games of Zuna makes me sad. Can we have more international tournaments...Season 4? | ||
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