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Two things as public notice:
1. + Show Spoiler [Quarterfinals 1 spoiler] +
Congrats to Fnatic, they played superbly and glgl to them in the Semis!
No one is saying that Fnatic only won because of the level 1 in Game 3. Please keep the nationalistic statements out of our subforum.


2. Riot's Worlds format is atrocious. Let's not beat a dead horse here. I will certainly be talking to Riot's eSports dept about it in the near future.

I simply ask everyone to be civil. Humble in victory, graceful in defeat.
Enjoy the games~

-Neo, Sept 23rd, 3:20 PM PDT, page 120
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9175 Posts
September 24 2013 04:21 GMT
#4061
Just watched Leaguepedia's interview with xPeke from tonight and he said they scrimmed a lot against OMG and they did pretty well. I remember that some TL-ers said in the group stage thread that OMG completely crushed Fnatic in scrims. I'm not believing any scrim reports again without match history, this happens way too often.
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-24 04:28:43
September 24 2013 04:26 GMT
#4062
On September 24 2013 13:21 Dan HH wrote:
Just watched Leaguepedia's interview with xPeke from tonight and he said they scrimmed a lot against OMG and they did pretty well. I remember that some TL-ers said in the group stage thread that OMG completely crushed Fnatic in scrims. I'm not believing any scrim reports again without match history, this happens way too often.

Well yes. Scrim reports usually can't be backed up with match history with the common practice of leaving during the game to prevent it from showing up. Though also, Scrims can't tell performance on the world stage, given how often TSM brags about doing well in scrims. <__<;

TBH, I expect Fnatic to be a top contender. Either SKT1, Fnatic, or the Chinese teams are currently the only ones whom seem strong enough to win the finals.

Have yet to see Royal though, and Gama Bears with their op logo could end up 4-0ing the Koreans.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
September 24 2013 04:28 GMT
#4063
I feel cheated in the C9-Fnatic match

Anyone remember the GOM TV bo5 Jaedong vs Bisu showmatch about 5-6 years ago where it was 2-2 and we had just seen some of the most epic PvZ ever...... then in the 5th game Bisu doesn't hold-position his probe allowing 6 lings into his base and loses.

Yeah. So anticlimatic

Rooting for Fnatic to take it all now
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 24 2013 04:30 GMT
#4064
I think C9 is yet another team that got hurt by meta shifts. In NA it was impossible to ban/pick them out because Meteos had Elise/ZAC/Nasus (Plus Eve/Nocturne), Balls has his Rumble, Hai played all the Assassins (save Kassadin) before they got popular enough for everyone to ban and spam them, plus the utility botlane.

I think Fnatic is just a better team regardless, but when things like Corki/XX become a thing, utility botlanes are harder to pull off, and of course Hai's champ pool basically consists of common bans. Also, inferior competition (or champ pool restriciton) seems to have hampered their development, because the Nocturne picks for Meteos never made sense.
Freeeeeeedom
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
September 24 2013 04:30 GMT
#4065
On September 24 2013 13:21 Dan HH wrote:
Just watched Leaguepedia's interview with xPeke from tonight and he said they scrimmed a lot against OMG and they did pretty well. I remember that some TL-ers said in the group stage thread that OMG completely crushed Fnatic in scrims. I'm not believing any scrim reports again without match history, this happens way too often.


There were match histories posted for 2 of them the day people discovered the worlds 'smurfs.' Neither game looked close at all. Now compound that with the fact that xPeke may not be completely forward about the scrims, and the additional fact that #scrimsdontmeanshit, and it doesn't really matter what the fuck he said about them(or anyone else).
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
September 24 2013 04:30 GMT
#4066
On September 24 2013 13:28 eshlow wrote:
I feel cheated in the C9-Fnatic match

Anyone remember the GOM TV bo5 Jaedong vs Bisu showmatch about 5-6 years ago where it was 2-2 and we had just seen some of the most epic PvZ ever...... then in the 5th game Bisu doesn't hold-position his probe allowing 6 lings into his base and loses.

Yeah. So anticlimatic

Rooting for Fnatic to take it all now

The anti-climax. It was so, damn, sad.

Why C9, whyyyy. It was building up so much hype. And then level 1 2-0 and everything goes downhill.

Ugh.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Amethyst21
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada7032 Posts
September 24 2013 04:31 GMT
#4067
I think at this point that OMG vs. SK Telecom seems like that most likely final matchup. And I'd be totally okay with it.
fnatic making the final would be great too, as it has so many storylines (season 1 champions, western team, general exciting playstyle)
/On the C9 Hype Train/@DatFirefly
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
September 24 2013 04:36 GMT
#4068
On September 24 2013 13:05 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 12:35 Volband wrote:
On September 24 2013 12:27 Kinie wrote:
On September 24 2013 12:14 Gator wrote:
do you think c9 wouldve gone farther if they had come out of groups and gotten to play 8 games on stage the week before?


Honestly, it would have depended upon what group they placed in. Group A, probably not, but they might've had a shot in Group B because of how loose Ozone played, not to mention Gambit were also kinda shaky at times.

Honestly, I think c9's biggest issues were that they came in too cold and lacked international tournament play. If they'd been around more (ie., existed as a team before Summer Split), or participated in more international events, they probably would have won game 1 (as they lost g1 due to an unusual case of indecision) and never gotten into that game 3 situation.

We can't tell how good they would be with proper international experience, but I think we can agree on that 8 games (or, 6, really, since playing 2 games againts GGEU or Mineski is hardly an "experience") wouldn't have mattered anything.

TSM, CLG, Dignitas - these are the NA teams with enough international experience, to don't get caught with their pants off. And we all know the irony of this...

Edit: and Curse, sorry. Forgot they even exist.

Curse? International experience? What?

Only thing I remember was them traveling over to China to get whooped by second/third tier Chinese teams. Newly formed ones too, I believe.

IPL
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
September 24 2013 04:44 GMT
#4069
On September 24 2013 13:10 SidianTheBard wrote:
Was there ever any interview that said why Cloud 9 kept banning out Ori? No offense to Xpeke but his assassin play is a million times better then his Ori play. Also seems weird that they feared Cyanide's Aatrox so much. I guess they were just too worried about early tower dives? Because jungle Aatrox end game if he doesn't get fed isn't very strong at all imo.


I thought banning C9 Ori was so they could simultaneously dive in without being punished although FNC getting Zyra was a good enough alternative

still C9 probably out mind gamed themselves banning Ori instead of something more FNC specific
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
September 24 2013 04:47 GMT
#4070
Man if you combined the strategy and shotcalling of C9 with the mechanical skill of the CLG roster it'd be such a damn good team.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
September 24 2013 05:05 GMT
#4071
On September 24 2013 13:36 Volband wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 13:05 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On September 24 2013 12:35 Volband wrote:
On September 24 2013 12:27 Kinie wrote:
On September 24 2013 12:14 Gator wrote:
do you think c9 wouldve gone farther if they had come out of groups and gotten to play 8 games on stage the week before?


Honestly, it would have depended upon what group they placed in. Group A, probably not, but they might've had a shot in Group B because of how loose Ozone played, not to mention Gambit were also kinda shaky at times.

Honestly, I think c9's biggest issues were that they came in too cold and lacked international tournament play. If they'd been around more (ie., existed as a team before Summer Split), or participated in more international events, they probably would have won game 1 (as they lost g1 due to an unusual case of indecision) and never gotten into that game 3 situation.

We can't tell how good they would be with proper international experience, but I think we can agree on that 8 games (or, 6, really, since playing 2 games againts GGEU or Mineski is hardly an "experience") wouldn't have mattered anything.

TSM, CLG, Dignitas - these are the NA teams with enough international experience, to don't get caught with their pants off. And we all know the irony of this...

Edit: and Curse, sorry. Forgot they even exist.

Curse? International experience? What?

Only thing I remember was them traveling over to China to get whooped by second/third tier Chinese teams. Newly formed ones too, I believe.

IPL

Better record against KR teams than TSM!
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Shiznick
Profile Joined December 2008
United States2200 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-24 05:18:05
September 24 2013 05:17 GMT
#4072
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1n0848/spoiler_korean_casters_opinion_on_quarterfinals/
korean commentators, particularly cloudtemplar's view on meteos is hilarious.
this dude deserves massive props for how massive/detailed his translation is.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
September 24 2013 05:21 GMT
#4073
On September 24 2013 12:18 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 12:16 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On September 24 2013 12:14 Gator wrote:
do you think c9 wouldve gone farther if they had come out of groups and gotten to play 8 games on stage the week before?


i dont think they wouldve made it out of groups

I agree. Both groups were pretty killer. SKT T1 and OMG were virtually guaranteed to make it out of A. Group B was more of a toss-up, but Fnatic played ridiculously well. Gambit also played very well and Ozone, despite a disappointing showing are probably still better than NA teams, including C9.


Group B would have been a lot more interesting with C9 in it. Even if they didn't make it out of the group they would have played the role of spoiler.
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
September 24 2013 05:25 GMT
#4074
Feels like NJBS's Nidalee+Nunu team comp was pre-planned counter to Eve+Shen combo. The increased movespeed, nidalee spear poke and mass pink wards made them extremely safe against a Eve flank. The renekton was a pick for Expession to just win lane and get the snowball rolling imo.
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1ntrigue
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia948 Posts
September 24 2013 05:27 GMT
#4075
On September 24 2013 10:25 Letmelose wrote:
Expession did not live up to my expectations, while PraY did. I guess he is still holds the key to victory for Najin Black Sword. I kind of wish that Royal Club could reach the finals so I can witness the rematch between PraY and Uzi. I'm running out of heroes to worship, and I hope Uzi doesn't disappoint.

When did PraY and Uzi play before? At All-Stars, it was Weixiao.

NJBS wasn't nearly as good as I expected them to be. I wouldn't favour them over Royal or OMG based on this series. However, Expession hasn't shown much of his potential yet.
Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
September 24 2013 05:27 GMT
#4076
a little sad that losing one series makes everyone dismiss c9/na. vulcun could have made it out of groups if they weren't the throwbargains. really would have liked to see c9 play a korean team.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 24 2013 05:29 GMT
#4077
On September 24 2013 13:21 Dan HH wrote:
Just watched Leaguepedia's interview with xPeke from tonight and he said they scrimmed a lot against OMG and they did pretty well. I remember that some TL-ers said in the group stage thread that OMG completely crushed Fnatic in scrims. I'm not believing any scrim reports again without match history, this happens way too often.

I wouldn't take stock in scrims between teams in worlds. Everyone is going to hide their real strength. Imo scrims between worlds teams and non worlds teams is a better measure. That's why I find the njs vs ig scrim rumors to be huge, especially since it's ig hyping up njs.
liftlift > tsm
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
September 24 2013 05:33 GMT
#4078
If Gamabears wins the whole shebang I will laugh my ass off and take a monthlong ban. And when I come back, I'll still probably still be laughing.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 24 2013 05:36 GMT
#4079
On September 24 2013 14:17 Shiznick wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1n0848/spoiler_korean_casters_opinion_on_quarterfinals/
korean commentators, particularly cloudtemplar's view on meteos is hilarious.
this dude deserves massive props for how massive/detailed his translation is.

Meteos is jungler koreans want to be. They're too tired being 2ndry ward bitches. They just don't know about lovelin, wards and kills. Sup son.
liftlift > tsm
TyrantPotato
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1541 Posts
September 24 2013 05:36 GMT
#4080
On September 24 2013 14:33 ticklishmusic wrote:
If Gamabears wins the whole shebang I will laugh my ass off and take a monthlong ban. And when I come back, I'll still probably still be laughing.


is anyone gonna raise on this bet?
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