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Two things as public notice: 1. + Show Spoiler [Quarterfinals 1 spoiler] +Congrats to Fnatic, they played superbly and glgl to them in the Semis!
No one is saying that Fnatic only won because of the level 1 in Game 3. Please keep the nationalistic statements out of our subforum. 2. Riot's Worlds format is atrocious. Let's not beat a dead horse here. I will certainly be talking to Riot's eSports dept about it in the near future. I simply ask everyone to be civil. Humble in victory, graceful in defeat. Enjoy the games~ -Neo, Sept 23rd, 3:20 PM PDT, page 120 |
On September 24 2013 11:23 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 11:19 lega wrote:On September 24 2013 11:10 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 24 2013 11:07 lega wrote:On September 24 2013 10:59 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 24 2013 10:56 lega wrote:On September 24 2013 10:26 Lord Tolkien wrote:On September 24 2013 10:24 Cubu wrote:On September 24 2013 10:21 TheYango wrote:On September 24 2013 10:20 Goragoth wrote:
Pretty much guaranteed a Korean team in the finals now =( How was this not pretty much guaranteed going into the tournament, lol. ozone made the koreans look weaker Initial performance from the Koreans in the Group Stage made them look weaker imo. First day 1-1 for SKT1 was huge outside of Ozone. Solidified that Faker is a god, though. Then again, Fnatic lost to Vulcun Day 1 too. Strange things happen. My feeling is that Faker is strongest on the first day. Then he looked weaker afterwards. At the end of the day he even lost his lane and got outplayed in a 1v1 duel. IMO he looks quite mortal after the group stage. But his teammate does step up a lot, especially Impact. ? he played riven twice and second game in which he didn't give up first blood he dunked regi and got a solo kill leading his team to victory. Then he played ahri vs syndra which is heavily syndra favored and especially so considering OMG pressured the jungle so hard that syndra knew she could never get ganked. Faker lost the 1v1 because the pause ended up cancelling his auto so he lost an auto there. Most likely would have traded 1 for 1. Lets be honest his riven games are against poor laners. Cool can even use an immobile cassiopeia outplaying an ezreal, killing him 1v1 several times, which is more impressive to me than riven killing a zed. One funny thing is that most people, even Krepo, said that Syndra is skill matchup against ahri, and ahri gains advantages after 6. But after that SKT OMG game syndra becomes heavily favored in this matchup. Plus that pause in SKT OMG game did help SKT rather than OMG by giving Ezreal reaction time to ult, otherwise it would be a clean kill for nothing. No, the only reason you pick syndra is to gain a heavy lead on an ahri before level 6 which he did because 0 jungle pressure. You are insane if you think this lane is even. Cool is good, but it's not like ezreal really wins that matchup against cassiopia. Cassio is a really strong laner, especially when you don't get ganked which wasn't happening because lovelin was destroying them in their jungle and bot lane, even taking the blue. If you have a more standard game where junglers are even and elise gets to do what she wants then syndra will die easily and get snowballed on. In general even without ganks syndra would have to play a lot safer. Ahri is not mobile before 6 either. The fact that there is no jungle presence in mid lane also helps ahri. Plus ahri has better sustain comes from his passive. Faker ate too many early q's and mess up that lane even before lv 6. No jungler is not even a good excuse. I am not say ezreal can win over cassipeia. But usually ezreal does not lose hard, he is good at safe farming. ?? Ahri has bigger kill potential on syndra than syndra on ahri with junglers. It's really not even close. If you land a charm onto syndra she will die before a countergank can do anything whatsoever. The fact that faker can't push the lane early on and has nothing to fall back on makes this a horrible situation. Faker has no choice but to let syndra push because if cool freezes the lane aatrox will kill him easily. Really, you are absolutely crazy if you think ahri is favored in this matchup given the situation. Absolutely no reason for cool to play such a risky mid lane champion otherwise. Listen to anyone say anything about syndra picks. If syndra doesn't get ahead early you will lose the game.
if the lane is pushed hard then I agree with you. But what I saw is that ahri took way too many damage even when the lane is in the middle. This is not the excuse of being 25 cs down before 10 min as an ahri. You can see from today's game, even Kassadin does not lose that much cs. Faker is definitely one of the best mid, probably the best ( I need a peke vs. faker match!). But he is not a flawless god as what he has been hyped to.
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On September 24 2013 11:10 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 11:09 seRapH wrote:
Ezreal's ult was launched before the pause. . god i hate whoever spread that and now everyone repeats it no it was not
The worse part is how whoever used that screenshot to corroborate got everyone to instantly believe it rather than second-guessing and actually looking at it and seeing that Ez's ult icon being dark means nothing.
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pretty funny how people are spending so much time on the ez ult timing, as if omg didnt pause the game lol
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Well finally watching the VODS. Gambit's bottom lane is really, really bad.
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damn son well gg, didnt notice that was a thing in spectator.
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On September 24 2013 11:37 Sufficiency wrote:
Well finally watching the VODS. Gambit's bottom lane is really, really bad.
Seriously, I thought they would win 2-1 because I thought they would be smart enough to realize it and play safe, then let Alex/Diamond carry (ala game 1). Instead, G3 Genjoidle goes full derp mode and never comes back.
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On September 24 2013 11:37 Sufficiency wrote:
Well finally watching the VODS. Gambit's bottom lane is really, really bad.
Sword's bot lane is also really, really good
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On September 24 2013 11:41 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 11:37 Sufficiency wrote:
Well finally watching the VODS. Gambit's bottom lane is really, really bad. Seriously, I thought they would win 2-1 because I thought they would be smart enough to realize it and play safe, then let Alex/Diamond carry (ala game 1). Instead, G3 Genjoidle goes full derp mode and never comes back.
I always believe that Genja does not really know how to play this game, really. Some of his itemization and decision choices are really derpy.
Well, SKT1 free finalist now I guess. There is basically no way Najin Sword can beat SKT1.
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On September 24 2013 11:41 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 11:37 Sufficiency wrote:
Well finally watching the VODS. Gambit's bottom lane is really, really bad. Seriously, I thought they would win 2-1 because I thought they would be smart enough to realize it and play safe, then let Alex/Diamond carry (ala game 1). Instead, G3 Genjoidle goes full derp mode and never comes back.
If only there was an extremely good Russian support they could pick up....
Voidle is okay, on his day, but I mean the difference between him and Edward (or any other top caliber support) was really on display there, he was just so YOLO all series, and for some reason didn't think he could get caught by Pray/Cain. Sure, there was some good plays from the Korean duo lane (clearly the strength of the team) but a lot of those plays were just Voidle pressing too hard, putting himself in a position to get caught and then Cain made the plays when they were available to him.
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I didn't watch the entire third game between Gambit and NJS, but I have to tell, the series was kinda disappointing. The first game sucked, because NJS played terrible, and I only enjoyed it because Gambit won, but from an objective view, the game was pretty mediocore. I don't even remember the second onve (LOL), and in the third NJS won with that terrible team comp, and Voidle showed off some sick laning skills as Sona. Voidle's laning and Chauster's ult with her should be combined, and you would get the ultimate deadweight support.
Anyway, my complain is that in the RO8 I didn't expect such low quality games, especially not after Fnatic vs C9. I'd be fine with one team stomping another, but watching two, well... I don't want to say "bad ones", but you know what I mean. It's just disappointing. NJS will be knocked out from the semis for sure, and it's a waste of a BO5. Like really, the team with the Nunu-Corki combo gets to the world championship's semi-final, what the hell is that? Last year's semis looked sooooo much better, even before they were played out.
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On September 24 2013 11:51 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 11:41 cLutZ wrote:On September 24 2013 11:37 Sufficiency wrote:
Well finally watching the VODS. Gambit's bottom lane is really, really bad. Seriously, I thought they would win 2-1 because I thought they would be smart enough to realize it and play safe, then let Alex/Diamond carry (ala game 1). Instead, G3 Genjoidle goes full derp mode and never comes back. I always believe that Genja does not really know how to play this game, really. Some of his itemization and decision choices are really derpy. Well, SKT1 free finalist now I guess. There is basically no way Najin Sword can beat SKT1.
Najin Sword will put up more a fight than gambit against SKT
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On September 24 2013 11:55 Volband wrote:
I didn't watch the entire third game between Gambit and NJS, but I have to tell, the series was kinda disappointing. The first game sucked, because NJS played terrible, and I only enjoyed it because Gambit won, but from an objective view, the game was pretty mediocore. I don't even remember the second onve (LOL), and in the third NJS won with that terrible team comp, and Voidle showed off some sick laning skills as Sona. Voidle's laning and Chauster's ult with her should be combined, and you would get the ultimate deadweight support.
Anyway, my complain is that in the RO8 I didn't expect such low quality games, especially not after Fnatic vs C9. I'd be fine with one team stomping another, but watching two, well... I don't want to say "bad ones", but you know what I mean. It's just disappointing. NJS will be knocked out from the semis for sure, and it's a waste of a BO5. Like really, the team with the Nunu-Corki combo gets to the world championship's semi-final, what the hell is that? Last year's semis looked sooooo much better, even before they were played out.
Last year's Gambit games in the semis were a stomp as well. At least this year, the first game was close. Last year Gambit stomped game 1 and TPA stomped games 2 and 3.
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On September 24 2013 11:51 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 11:41 cLutZ wrote:On September 24 2013 11:37 Sufficiency wrote:
Well finally watching the VODS. Gambit's bottom lane is really, really bad. Seriously, I thought they would win 2-1 because I thought they would be smart enough to realize it and play safe, then let Alex/Diamond carry (ala game 1). Instead, G3 Genjoidle goes full derp mode and never comes back. I always believe that Genja does not really know how to play this game, really. Some of his itemization and decision choices are really derpy. Well, SKT1 free finalist now I guess. There is basically no way Najin Sword can beat SKT1.
Triforce Kog was actually pretty smart vs. Vayne in the first series he got it.
But of course the idea that he knows what he's doing is one that Genja can't afford to cultivate, so he had to do it again in games where it was completely inappropriate.
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On September 24 2013 11:54 Amethyst21 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 11:41 cLutZ wrote:On September 24 2013 11:37 Sufficiency wrote:
Well finally watching the VODS. Gambit's bottom lane is really, really bad. Seriously, I thought they would win 2-1 because I thought they would be smart enough to realize it and play safe, then let Alex/Diamond carry (ala game 1). Instead, G3 Genjoidle goes full derp mode and never comes back. If only there was an extremely good Russian support they could pick up.... Voidle is okay, on his day, but I mean the difference between him and Edward (or any other top caliber support) was really on display there, he was just so YOLO all series, and for some reason didn't think he could get caught by Pray/Cain. Sure, there was some good plays from the Korean duo lane (clearly the strength of the team) but a lot of those plays were just Voidle pressing too hard, putting himself in a position to get caught and then Cain made the plays when they were available to him.
I wonder if Genja is really hard to work with. He's been through a bunch of supports now. Originally I thought Edward might be the tough one to work with, but Crs seem to love him and he seems happy to work with them even though Saint is notoriously critical and negative.
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On September 24 2013 12:03 Swords wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 11:54 Amethyst21 wrote:On September 24 2013 11:41 cLutZ wrote:On September 24 2013 11:37 Sufficiency wrote:
Well finally watching the VODS. Gambit's bottom lane is really, really bad. Seriously, I thought they would win 2-1 because I thought they would be smart enough to realize it and play safe, then let Alex/Diamond carry (ala game 1). Instead, G3 Genjoidle goes full derp mode and never comes back. If only there was an extremely good Russian support they could pick up.... Voidle is okay, on his day, but I mean the difference between him and Edward (or any other top caliber support) was really on display there, he was just so YOLO all series, and for some reason didn't think he could get caught by Pray/Cain. Sure, there was some good plays from the Korean duo lane (clearly the strength of the team) but a lot of those plays were just Voidle pressing too hard, putting himself in a position to get caught and then Cain made the plays when they were available to him. I wonder if Genja is really hard to work with. He's been through a bunch of supports now. Originally I thought Edward might be the tough one to work with, but Crs seem to love him and he seems happy to work with them even though Saint is notoriously critical and negative.
There have been a couple interviews that point to that case. Edward left because of "disagreements", and I recall there was an interview done after he left in which Genja said that he should've been better to his support.
My guess is he hasn't changed too much.
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do you think c9 wouldve gone farther if they had come out of groups and gotten to play 8 games on stage the week before?
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On September 24 2013 12:05 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 12:03 Swords wrote:On September 24 2013 11:54 Amethyst21 wrote:On September 24 2013 11:41 cLutZ wrote:On September 24 2013 11:37 Sufficiency wrote:
Well finally watching the VODS. Gambit's bottom lane is really, really bad. Seriously, I thought they would win 2-1 because I thought they would be smart enough to realize it and play safe, then let Alex/Diamond carry (ala game 1). Instead, G3 Genjoidle goes full derp mode and never comes back. If only there was an extremely good Russian support they could pick up.... Voidle is okay, on his day, but I mean the difference between him and Edward (or any other top caliber support) was really on display there, he was just so YOLO all series, and for some reason didn't think he could get caught by Pray/Cain. Sure, there was some good plays from the Korean duo lane (clearly the strength of the team) but a lot of those plays were just Voidle pressing too hard, putting himself in a position to get caught and then Cain made the plays when they were available to him. I wonder if Genja is really hard to work with. He's been through a bunch of supports now. Originally I thought Edward might be the tough one to work with, but Crs seem to love him and he seems happy to work with them even though Saint is notoriously critical and negative. There have been a couple interviews that point to that case. Edward left because of "disagreements", and I recall there was an interview done after he left in which Genja said that he should've been better to his support. My guess is he hasn't changed too much.
In his grill he didn't really say such things. He pretty much called Edward out as someone who gets too much ado for nothing. He said he was way too agressive for no good reason, and he didn't follow him, because why would he be that stupid, to risk so much for a harass, especially if he loses creeps in the process. He didn't really bash him, and spared the details, though he implied Edward had many fallouts with the whole Gambit team, not just with him. He also aid he's only an ass during practice, to show his supports how wrong they are (like he asks them to ward a bush, they don't do it, so he facechecks and dies, proving his point), but he also added that he never do this during serious games.
He might be an ass, but jeez, unless he stinks and calls you a motherfucker every 5 minutes, I don't see why couldn't anyone support him, especially since supporting him is only one part of your job.
On September 24 2013 12:14 Gator wrote:
do you think c9 wouldve gone farther if they had come out of groups and gotten to play 8 games on stage the week before?
No, at least not againts Fnatic.
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On September 24 2013 12:14 Gator wrote:
do you think c9 wouldve gone farther if they had come out of groups and gotten to play 8 games on stage the week before?
i dont think they wouldve made it out of groups
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On September 24 2013 12:16 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 12:14 Gator wrote:
do you think c9 wouldve gone farther if they had come out of groups and gotten to play 8 games on stage the week before? i dont think they wouldve made it out of groups
I agree. Both groups were pretty killer. SKT T1 and OMG were virtually guaranteed to make it out of A. Group B was more of a toss-up, but Fnatic played ridiculously well. Gambit also played very well and Ozone, despite a disappointing showing are probably still better than NA teams, including C9.
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