Congrats to Fnatic, they played superbly and glgl to them in the Semis! No one is saying that Fnatic only won because of the level 1 in Game 3. Please keep the nationalistic statements out of our subforum.
2. Riot's Worlds format is atrocious. Let's not beat a dead horse here. I will certainly be talking to Riot's eSports dept about it in the near future.
I simply ask everyone to be civil. Humble in victory, graceful in defeat. Enjoy the games~
On September 24 2013 10:20 Goragoth wrote: Pretty much guaranteed a Korean team in the finals now =(
How was this not pretty much guaranteed going into the tournament, lol.
ozone made the koreans look weaker
Initial performance from the Koreans in the Group Stage made them look weaker imo. First day 1-1 for SKT1 was huge outside of Ozone. Solidified that Faker is a god, though.
Then again, Fnatic lost to Vulcun Day 1 too. Strange things happen.
My feeling is that Faker is strongest on the first day. Then he looked weaker afterwards. At the end of the day he even lost his lane and got outplayed in a 1v1 duel. IMO he looks quite mortal after the group stage. But his teammate does step up a lot, especially Impact.
? he played riven twice and second game in which he didn't give up first blood he dunked regi and got a solo kill leading his team to victory. Then he played ahri vs syndra which is heavily syndra favored and especially so considering OMG pressured the jungle so hard that syndra knew she could never get ganked. Faker lost the 1v1 because the pause ended up cancelling his auto so he lost an auto there. Most likely would have traded 1 for 1.
Lets be honest his riven games are against poor laners. Cool can even use an immobile cassiopeia outplaying an ezreal, killing him 1v1 several times, which is more impressive to me than riven killing a zed. One funny thing is that most people, even Krepo, said that Syndra is skill matchup against ahri, and ahri gains advantages after 6. But after that SKT OMG game syndra becomes heavily favored in this matchup. Plus that pause in SKT OMG game did help SKT rather than OMG by giving Ezreal reaction time to ult, otherwise it would be a clean kill for nothing.
No, the only reason you pick syndra is to gain a heavy lead on an ahri before level 6 which he did because 0 jungle pressure. You are insane if you think this lane is even. Cool is good, but it's not like ezreal really wins that matchup against cassiopia. Cassio is a really strong laner, especially when you don't get ganked which wasn't happening because lovelin was destroying them in their jungle and bot lane, even taking the blue.
If you have a more standard game where junglers are even and elise gets to do what she wants then syndra will die easily and get snowballed on. In general even without ganks syndra would have to play a lot safer.
With the conclusion of the first day of quarters, I have to say that was two fun sets to watch.
Also, for C9, while they did lose, that first game was one of the best games of league I've seen in a looooooooooong time. So even for 30 minutes. I like fnatic a lot, but honestly, I don't feel like NA should be so let down by c9 like they were with TSM last year. If you take even one game off of fnatic(especially when they're playing like they very well could win worlds), you aren't a bad team in the slightest.
I think they just need to work on diversifying their champ pools, or at least work on picks more. Picking double ap into Kassadin was silly, along with letting Shen go that match. Double ap can't do a thing vs a Shen+Kassadin.
On September 24 2013 10:20 Goragoth wrote: Pretty much guaranteed a Korean team in the finals now =(
How was this not pretty much guaranteed going into the tournament, lol.
ozone made the koreans look weaker
Initial performance from the Koreans in the Group Stage made them look weaker imo. First day 1-1 for SKT1 was huge outside of Ozone. Solidified that Faker is a god, though.
Then again, Fnatic lost to Vulcun Day 1 too. Strange things happen.
My feeling is that Faker is strongest on the first day. Then he looked weaker afterwards. At the end of the day he even lost his lane and got outplayed in a 1v1 duel. IMO he looks quite mortal after the group stage. But his teammate does step up a lot, especially Impact.
? he played riven twice and second game in which he didn't give up first blood he dunked regi and got a solo kill leading his team to victory. Then he played ahri vs syndra which is heavily syndra favored and especially so considering OMG pressured the jungle so hard that syndra knew she could never get ganked. Faker lost the 1v1 because the pause ended up cancelling his auto so he lost an auto there. Most likely would have traded 1 for 1.
Lets be honest his riven games are against poor laners. Cool can even use an immobile cassiopeia outplaying an ezreal, killing him 1v1 several times, which is more impressive to me than riven killing a zed. One funny thing is that most people, even Krepo, said that Syndra is skill matchup against ahri, and ahri gains advantages after 6. But after that SKT OMG game syndra becomes heavily favored in this matchup. Plus that pause in SKT OMG game did help SKT rather than OMG by giving Ezreal reaction time to ult, otherwise it would be a clean kill for nothing.
Ezreal's ult was launched before the pause. Faker misplayed that duel 100% by flashing within tower range there's absolutely no question. I'm as big an SKT fan as anyone else but there's no denying that, and even if he didn't cancel the auto that doesn't stop the fact that he misplayed.
Just check the video
at 20:33 where the pause happened, there is no banana on the mini map.
On September 24 2013 10:20 Goragoth wrote: Pretty much guaranteed a Korean team in the finals now =(
How was this not pretty much guaranteed going into the tournament, lol.
ozone made the koreans look weaker
Initial performance from the Koreans in the Group Stage made them look weaker imo. First day 1-1 for SKT1 was huge outside of Ozone. Solidified that Faker is a god, though.
Then again, Fnatic lost to Vulcun Day 1 too. Strange things happen.
My feeling is that Faker is strongest on the first day. Then he looked weaker afterwards. At the end of the day he even lost his lane and got outplayed in a 1v1 duel. IMO he looks quite mortal after the group stage. But his teammate does step up a lot, especially Impact.
? he played riven twice and second game in which he didn't give up first blood he dunked regi and got a solo kill leading his team to victory. Then he played ahri vs syndra which is heavily syndra favored and especially so considering OMG pressured the jungle so hard that syndra knew she could never get ganked. Faker lost the 1v1 because the pause ended up cancelling his auto so he lost an auto there. Most likely would have traded 1 for 1.
Lets be honest his riven games are against poor laners. Cool can even use an immobile cassiopeia outplaying an ezreal, killing him 1v1 several times, which is more impressive to me than riven killing a zed. One funny thing is that most people, even Krepo, said that Syndra is skill matchup against ahri, and ahri gains advantages after 6. But after that SKT OMG game syndra becomes heavily favored in this matchup. Plus that pause in SKT OMG game did help SKT rather than OMG by giving Ezreal reaction time to ult, otherwise it would be a clean kill for nothing.
Ezreal's ult was launched before the pause. Faker misplayed that duel 100% by flashing within tower range there's absolutely no question. I'm as big an SKT fan as anyone else but there's no denying that, and even if he didn't cancel the auto that doesn't stop the fact that he misplayed.
On September 24 2013 10:20 Goragoth wrote: Pretty much guaranteed a Korean team in the finals now =(
How was this not pretty much guaranteed going into the tournament, lol.
ozone made the koreans look weaker
Initial performance from the Koreans in the Group Stage made them look weaker imo. First day 1-1 for SKT1 was huge outside of Ozone. Solidified that Faker is a god, though.
Then again, Fnatic lost to Vulcun Day 1 too. Strange things happen.
My feeling is that Faker is strongest on the first day. Then he looked weaker afterwards. At the end of the day he even lost his lane and got outplayed in a 1v1 duel. IMO he looks quite mortal after the group stage. But his teammate does step up a lot, especially Impact.
? he played riven twice and second game in which he didn't give up first blood he dunked regi and got a solo kill leading his team to victory. Then he played ahri vs syndra which is heavily syndra favored and especially so considering OMG pressured the jungle so hard that syndra knew she could never get ganked. Faker lost the 1v1 because the pause ended up cancelling his auto so he lost an auto there. Most likely would have traded 1 for 1.
Lets be honest his riven games are against poor laners. Cool can even use an immobile cassiopeia outplaying an ezreal, killing him 1v1 several times, which is more impressive to me than riven killing a zed. One funny thing is that most people, even Krepo, said that Syndra is skill matchup against ahri, and ahri gains advantages after 6. But after that SKT OMG game syndra becomes heavily favored in this matchup. Plus that pause in SKT OMG game did help SKT rather than OMG by giving Ezreal reaction time to ult, otherwise it would be a clean kill for nothing.
No, the only reason you pick syndra is to gain a heavy lead on an ahri before level 6 which he did because 0 jungle pressure. You are insane if you think this lane is even. Cool is good, but it's not like ezreal really wins that matchup against cassiopia. Cassio is a really strong laner, especially when you don't get ganked which wasn't happening because lovelin was destroying them in their jungle and bot lane, even taking the blue.
If you have a more standard game where junglers are even and elise gets to do what she wants then syndra will die easily and get snowballed on. In general even without ganks syndra would have to play a lot safer.
Ahri is not mobile before 6 either. The fact that there is no jungle presence in mid lane also helps ahri. Plus ahri has better sustain from her passive. Faker ate too many early q's and mess up that lane even before lv 6. No jungler is not even a good excuse.
I am not say ezreal can win over cassipeia. But usually ezreal does not lose hard, he is good at safe farming.
syndra with a kill and blue buff is pretty much stronger than ahri though. faker did his lvl6 all in. in a game of reactions, having a pause and interrupting the sequence of plays is like a turn based boxing match.
On September 24 2013 10:20 Goragoth wrote: Pretty much guaranteed a Korean team in the finals now =(
How was this not pretty much guaranteed going into the tournament, lol.
ozone made the koreans look weaker
Initial performance from the Koreans in the Group Stage made them look weaker imo. First day 1-1 for SKT1 was huge outside of Ozone. Solidified that Faker is a god, though.
Then again, Fnatic lost to Vulcun Day 1 too. Strange things happen.
My feeling is that Faker is strongest on the first day. Then he looked weaker afterwards. At the end of the day he even lost his lane and got outplayed in a 1v1 duel. IMO he looks quite mortal after the group stage. But his teammate does step up a lot, especially Impact.
? he played riven twice and second game in which he didn't give up first blood he dunked regi and got a solo kill leading his team to victory. Then he played ahri vs syndra which is heavily syndra favored and especially so considering OMG pressured the jungle so hard that syndra knew she could never get ganked. Faker lost the 1v1 because the pause ended up cancelling his auto so he lost an auto there. Most likely would have traded 1 for 1.
Lets be honest his riven games are against poor laners. Cool can even use an immobile cassiopeia outplaying an ezreal, killing him 1v1 several times, which is more impressive to me than riven killing a zed. One funny thing is that most people, even Krepo, said that Syndra is skill matchup against ahri, and ahri gains advantages after 6. But after that SKT OMG game syndra becomes heavily favored in this matchup. Plus that pause in SKT OMG game did help SKT rather than OMG by giving Ezreal reaction time to ult, otherwise it would be a clean kill for nothing.
Ezreal's ult was launched before the pause. Faker misplayed that duel 100% by flashing within tower range there's absolutely no question. I'm as big an SKT fan as anyone else but there's no denying that, and even if he didn't cancel the auto that doesn't stop the fact that he misplayed.
On September 24 2013 10:21 TheYango wrote: [quote] How was this not pretty much guaranteed going into the tournament, lol.
ozone made the koreans look weaker
Initial performance from the Koreans in the Group Stage made them look weaker imo. First day 1-1 for SKT1 was huge outside of Ozone. Solidified that Faker is a god, though.
Then again, Fnatic lost to Vulcun Day 1 too. Strange things happen.
My feeling is that Faker is strongest on the first day. Then he looked weaker afterwards. At the end of the day he even lost his lane and got outplayed in a 1v1 duel. IMO he looks quite mortal after the group stage. But his teammate does step up a lot, especially Impact.
? he played riven twice and second game in which he didn't give up first blood he dunked regi and got a solo kill leading his team to victory. Then he played ahri vs syndra which is heavily syndra favored and especially so considering OMG pressured the jungle so hard that syndra knew she could never get ganked. Faker lost the 1v1 because the pause ended up cancelling his auto so he lost an auto there. Most likely would have traded 1 for 1.
Lets be honest his riven games are against poor laners. Cool can even use an immobile cassiopeia outplaying an ezreal, killing him 1v1 several times, which is more impressive to me than riven killing a zed. One funny thing is that most people, even Krepo, said that Syndra is skill matchup against ahri, and ahri gains advantages after 6. But after that SKT OMG game syndra becomes heavily favored in this matchup. Plus that pause in SKT OMG game did help SKT rather than OMG by giving Ezreal reaction time to ult, otherwise it would be a clean kill for nothing.
Ezreal's ult was launched before the pause. Faker misplayed that duel 100% by flashing within tower range there's absolutely no question. I'm as big an SKT fan as anyone else but there's no denying that, and even if he didn't cancel the auto that doesn't stop the fact that he misplayed.
On September 24 2013 10:20 Goragoth wrote: Pretty much guaranteed a Korean team in the finals now =(
How was this not pretty much guaranteed going into the tournament, lol.
ozone made the koreans look weaker
Initial performance from the Koreans in the Group Stage made them look weaker imo. First day 1-1 for SKT1 was huge outside of Ozone. Solidified that Faker is a god, though.
Then again, Fnatic lost to Vulcun Day 1 too. Strange things happen.
My feeling is that Faker is strongest on the first day. Then he looked weaker afterwards. At the end of the day he even lost his lane and got outplayed in a 1v1 duel. IMO he looks quite mortal after the group stage. But his teammate does step up a lot, especially Impact.
? he played riven twice and second game in which he didn't give up first blood he dunked regi and got a solo kill leading his team to victory. Then he played ahri vs syndra which is heavily syndra favored and especially so considering OMG pressured the jungle so hard that syndra knew she could never get ganked. Faker lost the 1v1 because the pause ended up cancelling his auto so he lost an auto there. Most likely would have traded 1 for 1.
Lets be honest his riven games are against poor laners. Cool can even use an immobile cassiopeia outplaying an ezreal, killing him 1v1 several times, which is more impressive to me than riven killing a zed. One funny thing is that most people, even Krepo, said that Syndra is skill matchup against ahri, and ahri gains advantages after 6. But after that SKT OMG game syndra becomes heavily favored in this matchup. Plus that pause in SKT OMG game did help SKT rather than OMG by giving Ezreal reaction time to ult, otherwise it would be a clean kill for nothing.
No, the only reason you pick syndra is to gain a heavy lead on an ahri before level 6 which he did because 0 jungle pressure. You are insane if you think this lane is even. Cool is good, but it's not like ezreal really wins that matchup against cassiopia. Cassio is a really strong laner, especially when you don't get ganked which wasn't happening because lovelin was destroying them in their jungle and bot lane, even taking the blue.
If you have a more standard game where junglers are even and elise gets to do what she wants then syndra will die easily and get snowballed on. In general even without ganks syndra would have to play a lot safer.
Ahri is not mobile before 6 either. The fact that there is no jungle presence in mid lane also helps ahri. Plus ahri has better sustain comes from his passive. Faker ate too many early q's and mess up that lane even before lv 6. No jungler is not even a good excuse.
I am not say ezreal can win over cassipeia. But usually ezreal does not lose hard, he is good at safe farming.
?? Ahri has bigger kill potential on syndra than syndra on ahri with junglers. It's really not even close. If you land a charm onto syndra she will die before a countergank can do anything whatsoever. The fact that faker can't push the lane early on and has nothing to fall back on makes this a horrible situation. Faker has no choice but to let syndra push because if cool freezes the lane aatrox will kill him easily.
Really, you are absolutely crazy if you think ahri is favored in this matchup given the situation. Absolutely no reason for cool to play such a risky mid lane champion otherwise. Listen to anyone say anything about syndra picks. If syndra doesn't get ahead early you will lose the game.
On September 24 2013 10:24 Cubu wrote: [quote] ozone made the koreans look weaker
Initial performance from the Koreans in the Group Stage made them look weaker imo. First day 1-1 for SKT1 was huge outside of Ozone. Solidified that Faker is a god, though.
Then again, Fnatic lost to Vulcun Day 1 too. Strange things happen.
My feeling is that Faker is strongest on the first day. Then he looked weaker afterwards. At the end of the day he even lost his lane and got outplayed in a 1v1 duel. IMO he looks quite mortal after the group stage. But his teammate does step up a lot, especially Impact.
? he played riven twice and second game in which he didn't give up first blood he dunked regi and got a solo kill leading his team to victory. Then he played ahri vs syndra which is heavily syndra favored and especially so considering OMG pressured the jungle so hard that syndra knew she could never get ganked. Faker lost the 1v1 because the pause ended up cancelling his auto so he lost an auto there. Most likely would have traded 1 for 1.
Lets be honest his riven games are against poor laners. Cool can even use an immobile cassiopeia outplaying an ezreal, killing him 1v1 several times, which is more impressive to me than riven killing a zed. One funny thing is that most people, even Krepo, said that Syndra is skill matchup against ahri, and ahri gains advantages after 6. But after that SKT OMG game syndra becomes heavily favored in this matchup. Plus that pause in SKT OMG game did help SKT rather than OMG by giving Ezreal reaction time to ult, otherwise it would be a clean kill for nothing.
Ezreal's ult was launched before the pause. Faker misplayed that duel 100% by flashing within tower range there's absolutely no question. I'm as big an SKT fan as anyone else but there's no denying that, and even if he didn't cancel the auto that doesn't stop the fact that he misplayed.
?? ez ult was cast just as it paused, the ult is on cooldown.
wow, you are right. I miss that icon. It becomes dark right at the pause moment.
jarvan sona icon also goes dark its what happens when you pause the ults arent actually on cd
actually sona was 5 so not the best example, but jarvan hit 6 right before it happened and his ult lit up and then went dark ; zac was 7 and his ult went dark too, as well as a few others - vayne, not sure if zyra was 6 but i think she was and her ult went dark
On September 24 2013 10:51 Fionn wrote: Gragas' ult can be devastating in team fights if you have a player who knows how to position correctly and use it to its full potential.
In the hands of a Faker or Cool, Gragas' ult can win team fights single handily.
In the hands of a Dade, Gragas' ult can bounce your ADC's main target away from range and let him walk away peacefully.
The thing I feel many teams don't take advantage of is Gragas' flexibility. He doesn't need to be put into a winning lane to be able to stalemate and get farm, and he's even a stable 1v2. Running Gragas really allows you to arrange lanes to give you the most advantageous possible scenario because he can literally go anywhere.
Part of it is that among many of the teams present, the mid laner is their star player, and hence they tend to draft in a way that's very forgiving to them, and many of the top laners don't play Gragas. But this is an aspect of Gragas I've seen Royal abuse--given that Wh1t3zz and Godlike both play Gragas and neither are the team's star player and can play a more supportive/low-farm role.
teams used to send their mids 1v2 quite often in ogn and lpl but lately it dropped off again, its situationally good and deserves more play than we see atm
On September 24 2013 11:10 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On September 24 2013 11:09 seRapH wrote:
Ezreal's ult was launched before the pause. .
god i hate whoever spread that and now everyone repeats it
no it was not
Ult was on cooldown when it got paused, Ezreal's ult has a long-ish cast animation
Then explain how in the pause screenshot Zac, Vayne, and Jarvan's ults are also "on cooldown".
I guess San and Gogoing decided to just randomly ult where they were, and Bengi miraculously was able to Jarvan ult Dragon, all at the EXACT moment of the pause?
It's a display bug in spec mode pause, and if you actually watch the VOD you can see the CD start AFTER the game resumes.
Also if faker had blue buff vs a blue buff syndra syndra would have died and faker lived despite the turret hit. Really, syndra got every advantage in the early game you could ask for. Took blue buff away from faker and everything.
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On September 24 2013 11:15 lega wrote:
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On September 24 2013 10:56 lega wrote:
On September 24 2013 10:26 Lord Tolkien wrote: [quote] Initial performance from the Koreans in the Group Stage made them look weaker imo. First day 1-1 for SKT1 was huge outside of Ozone. Solidified that Faker is a god, though.
Then again, Fnatic lost to Vulcun Day 1 too. Strange things happen.
My feeling is that Faker is strongest on the first day. Then he looked weaker afterwards. At the end of the day he even lost his lane and got outplayed in a 1v1 duel. IMO he looks quite mortal after the group stage. But his teammate does step up a lot, especially Impact.
? he played riven twice and second game in which he didn't give up first blood he dunked regi and got a solo kill leading his team to victory. Then he played ahri vs syndra which is heavily syndra favored and especially so considering OMG pressured the jungle so hard that syndra knew she could never get ganked. Faker lost the 1v1 because the pause ended up cancelling his auto so he lost an auto there. Most likely would have traded 1 for 1.
Lets be honest his riven games are against poor laners. Cool can even use an immobile cassiopeia outplaying an ezreal, killing him 1v1 several times, which is more impressive to me than riven killing a zed. One funny thing is that most people, even Krepo, said that Syndra is skill matchup against ahri, and ahri gains advantages after 6. But after that SKT OMG game syndra becomes heavily favored in this matchup. Plus that pause in SKT OMG game did help SKT rather than OMG by giving Ezreal reaction time to ult, otherwise it would be a clean kill for nothing.
Ezreal's ult was launched before the pause. Faker misplayed that duel 100% by flashing within tower range there's absolutely no question. I'm as big an SKT fan as anyone else but there's no denying that, and even if he didn't cancel the auto that doesn't stop the fact that he misplayed.
?? ez ult was cast just as it paused, the ult is on cooldown.
wow, you are right. I miss that icon. It becomes dark right at the pause moment.
jarvan sona icon also goes dark its what happens when you pause the ults arent actually on cd
actually sona was 5 so not the best example, but jarvan hit 6 right before it happened and his ult lit up and then went dark ; zac was 7 and his ult went dark too, as well as a few others - vayne, not sure if zyra was 6 but i think she was and her ult went dark
so all the ults that were off cd went dark
You're right. Ez ult is lit up after the game resumes for several frames (22:54) before actually going on cooldown.
EPT
