EPT[S3 Worlds] Quarterfinals - Page 200
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Two things as public notice: 1. + Show Spoiler [Quarterfinals 1 spoiler] + Congrats to Fnatic, they played superbly and glgl to them in the Semis! No one is saying that Fnatic only won because of the level 1 in Game 3. Please keep the nationalistic statements out of our subforum. 2. Riot's Worlds format is atrocious. Let's not beat a dead horse here. I will certainly be talking to Riot's eSports dept about it in the near future. I simply ask everyone to be civil. Humble in victory, graceful in defeat. Enjoy the games~ -Neo, Sept 23rd, 3:20 PM PDT, page 120 | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
On September 24 2013 10:41 Itsmedudeman wrote: Gragas is really hard to play well. His ult is literally hit or miss and his damage isn't that high compared to other APs. Compared to orianna he's better at staying alive in lane though. Really it's just zed, ahri, fizz, kassadin being a tier above the rest atm. and even harder to synergize with sona + eve ult :\ | ||
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TitusVI
Germany8319 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On September 24 2013 10:41 Itsmedudeman wrote: Gragas is really hard to play well. His ult is literally hit or miss and his damage isn't that high compared to other APs. Compared to orianna he's better at staying alive in lane though. Really it's just zed, ahri, fizz, kassadin being a tier above the rest atm. You shouldn't leave Orianna out of that group in my opinion. With mainly AP Assassins being so dominant currently, it's rather interesting how Diana sees no play. I guess they really did overnerf her. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On September 24 2013 10:38 TitusVI wrote: Do you think Gragas is a weak champ or just the play was weak? He's very niche and also Alex didn't play that well with fatman. Nagne's Nid response to Gragas first pick was very smart. She can farm effectively at a distance and didn't allow Alex to get an ulti combo off ever. Team fights, Alex never arrived to a side lane to clean up. In fact, landing that spear, Nagne came out ahead even more after that big fight at bot outer turret. | ||
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St3MoR
Spain3256 Posts
dat nidalee, LONGINUS!! | ||
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Loving Memory
United States70 Posts
On September 24 2013 10:38 TitusVI wrote: Do you think Gragas is a weak champ or just the play was weak? I honestly think Gragas is terrible. He just doesn't really do anything special. :/ | ||
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
On September 24 2013 10:45 Shikyo wrote: You shouldn't leave Orianna out of that group in my opinion. With mainly AP Assassins being so dominant currently, it's rather interesting how Diana sees no play. I guess they really did overnerf her. regarding assassins, I was pretty impressed at Westrice's ability to lane vs a Zed with Akali (although it was against Complexity and he's Westrice, but still) I'm pretty happy with the Worlds champion variety overall | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On September 24 2013 10:45 Shikyo wrote: You shouldn't leave Orianna out of that group in my opinion. With mainly AP Assassins being so dominant currently, it's rather interesting how Diana sees no play. I guess they really did overnerf her. I think orianna needs too much jungle presence atm. As we saw in game 2 if your jungler doesn't help you out a lot early on you are very easy to kill. She has strong lane presence and beats just about anyone before level 6, but level 6 and even before you're really vulnerable to the popular assassins. She also does like no burst damage until she gets items. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On September 24 2013 10:47 Loving Memory wrote: I honestly think Gragas is terrible. He just doesn't really do anything special. :/ No one has an ult like his. No one can disrupt team fights like him. Teams are just over playing him at worlds. | ||
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
In the hands of a Faker or Cool, Gragas' ult can win team fights single handily. In the hands of a Dade, Gragas' ult can bounce your ADC's main target away from range and let him walk away peacefully. | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
On September 24 2013 10:49 overt wrote: No one has an ult like his. No one can disrupt team fights like him. Teams are just over playing him at worlds. I feel like a lot of teams are responding to the Koreans (mainly Faker) using him in OGN and following suite. Faker has said before that Gragas is a solid pick for SoloQ because he doesn't have any overly bad match-ups/counter-picks and is just solid. However, at the same time that means that there really isn't anything that Gragas excels at and it all comes down to mechanics. | ||
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lega
Canada290 Posts
On September 24 2013 10:26 Lord Tolkien wrote: Initial performance from the Koreans in the Group Stage made them look weaker imo. First day 1-1 for SKT1 was huge outside of Ozone. Solidified that Faker is a god, though. Then again, Fnatic lost to Vulcun Day 1 too. Strange things happen. My feeling is that Faker is strongest on the first day. Then he looked weaker afterwards. At the end of the day he even lost his lane and got outplayed in a 1v1 duel. IMO he looks quite mortal after the group stage. But his teammate does step up a lot, especially Impact. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On September 24 2013 10:56 lega wrote: My feeling is that Faker is strongest on the first day. Then he looked weaker afterwards. At the end of the day he even lost his lane and got outplayed in a 1v1 duel. IMO he looks quite mortal after the group stage. But his teammate does step up a lot, especially Impact. ? he played riven twice and second game in which he didn't give up first blood he dunked regi and got a solo kill leading his team to victory. Then he played ahri vs syndra which is heavily syndra favored and especially so considering OMG pressured the jungle so hard that syndra knew she could never get ganked. Faker lost the 1v1 because the pause ended up cancelling his auto so he lost an auto there. Most likely would have traded 1 for 1. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
On September 24 2013 10:59 Itsmedudeman wrote: Then he played ahri vs syndra which is heavily syndra favored and especially heavily favored is a bit of an overstatement... | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On September 24 2013 11:02 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: heavily favored is a bit of an overstatement... It's not a hard counter because ahri can land charms at 6 and all in but before then with 0 jungle pressure this is 100% a matchup syndra should win. Only reason he picked syndra really. Also just consider the game itself. OMG had complete control of the map early on with aatrox whereas elise could only defend towers and was having her jungle taken with no chance for ganks. Faker didn't even have blue buff for that all in because they stole it after syndra got the first blood on elise. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
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lega
Canada290 Posts
On September 24 2013 10:59 Itsmedudeman wrote: ? he played riven twice and second game in which he didn't give up first blood he dunked regi and got a solo kill leading his team to victory. Then he played ahri vs syndra which is heavily syndra favored and especially so considering OMG pressured the jungle so hard that syndra knew she could never get ganked. Faker lost the 1v1 because the pause ended up cancelling his auto so he lost an auto there. Most likely would have traded 1 for 1. Lets be honest his riven games are against poor laners. Cool can even use an immobile cassiopeia outplaying an ezreal, killing him 1v1 several times, which is more impressive to me than riven killing a zed. One funny thing is that most people, even Krepo, said that Syndra is skill matchup against ahri, and ahri gains advantages after 6. But after that SKT OMG game Syndra suddenly becomes heavily favored in this matchup. LOL.... I have no comment for this. Plus that pause in SKT OMG game did help SKT rather than OMG by giving Ezreal reaction time to ult, otherwise it would be a clean kill for nothing. | ||
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seRapH
United States9830 Posts
On September 24 2013 11:07 lega wrote: Lets be honest his riven games are against poor laners. Cool can even use an immobile cassiopeia outplaying an ezreal, killing him 1v1 several times, which is more impressive to me than riven killing a zed. One funny thing is that most people, even Krepo, said that Syndra is skill matchup against ahri, and ahri gains advantages after 6. But after that SKT OMG game syndra becomes heavily favored in this matchup. Plus that pause in SKT OMG game did help SKT rather than OMG by giving Ezreal reaction time to ult, otherwise it would be a clean kill for nothing. Ezreal's ult was launched before the pause. Faker misplayed that duel 100% by flashing within tower range there's absolutely no question. I'm as big an SKT fan as anyone else but there's no denying that, and even if he didn't cancel the auto that doesn't stop the fact that he misplayed. | ||
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