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Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
September 13 2013 18:21 GMT
#161
On September 14 2013 03:10 Chexx wrote:
Question is will Letmelose post translation what CT says again? I hope so


You do it.
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nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-13 19:35:29
September 13 2013 19:00 GMT
#162
I don't have a roku but man this is awesome

http://beta.na.leagueoflegends.com/node/5603

also GET HYPED

Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 13 2013 21:08 GMT
#163
On September 14 2013 02:36 TeeTS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2013 00:58 ketchup wrote:
On September 13 2013 20:21 DragoonTT wrote:
It's going to be a ton of fun when Monte makes every player look like an idiot at the game they're supposed to be pro at.

I'd rather have had scarra, Locodoco or Araneae than Nien or Doublelift, but Riot is going for marketing, not the actual best they can get (even though Loco or Araneae might be harder to understand, they've proven they can deliver very deep analysis again and again). Pretty much the red line going all through tournament planning.


That's such a weird statement. People sure like to hype up montecristo.


while he is definately ahead of some NA and EU Pros in terms of strategy, I wouldn´t expect at all, that he will make anyone look bad. Because that is something he simply doesn´t do!

Monte is good at game theory, but he's far away from having the insight of pros and the intricacies of lane matchups/decision making.
HorsemasterK
Profile Joined August 2010
United States606 Posts
September 13 2013 22:43 GMT
#164
On September 14 2013 06:08 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2013 02:36 TeeTS wrote:
On September 14 2013 00:58 ketchup wrote:
On September 13 2013 20:21 DragoonTT wrote:
It's going to be a ton of fun when Monte makes every player look like an idiot at the game they're supposed to be pro at.

I'd rather have had scarra, Locodoco or Araneae than Nien or Doublelift, but Riot is going for marketing, not the actual best they can get (even though Loco or Araneae might be harder to understand, they've proven they can deliver very deep analysis again and again). Pretty much the red line going all through tournament planning.


That's such a weird statement. People sure like to hype up montecristo.


while he is definately ahead of some NA and EU Pros in terms of strategy, I wouldn´t expect at all, that he will make anyone look bad. Because that is something he simply doesn´t do!

Monte is good at game theory, but he's far away from having the insight of pros and the intricacies of lane matchups/decision making.


I'll take a pro's insight over Monte's armchair quarterbacking any day.

This is not intended to hate on Monte or discredit his thoughts, I simply think his observations would carry more weight if they were corroborated by someone who actually plays the game at a high level rather than someone who watches Koreans and is then asked by the community to justify their apparent dominance.

That said, Monte is very adept at noting trends and patterns in the scenes he watches. If he can discuss with pros the underlying reasons for these trends, Riot could end up with the best analysis desk possible.
RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-13 23:00:31
September 13 2013 22:57 GMT
#165
On September 13 2013 19:21 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2013 19:10 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On September 13 2013 19:08 Numy wrote:
On September 13 2013 16:36 Chexx wrote:
I really liked Scarra as commentator


Maybe he didn't want to do it. Only explanation I can think of

He posted on twitter that he was up for it if they let him.


Now that makes no sense. Scarra is like the best at it why is Zion there instead of him wtf.

I think you had to apply to be an analyst. He also said something along the lines of "Should have applied after we lost in regionals"

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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 13 2013 23:14 GMT
#166
Only a few of the pros provide any valuable insight. Some of them like Doublelift seem to have no actual understanding of the game, but are simply really talented and learn matchups basically by rote playing.

Then the rest of them pretend that talking about what is good and what is bad is like revealing some secrets to opposing players and guard their "secrets" even though we all know that Zed is retarded.
Freeeeeeedom
Don_Julio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
2220 Posts
September 13 2013 23:29 GMT
#167
Guess who is the only survivor:
orzeu
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland5205 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-14 00:18:58
September 14 2013 00:18 GMT
#168
Doublelift cast in past OGN final and it was pretty good. Also he is funny/popular, lived with Krepo for few months (synergy) and Monte is his coach (synergy), so that makes him best candidate from NA.

I don't undestand why they pick Zion/Nien and they didn't take Hotshot/Scarra. They both cast in past (hs: ogn / scarra: lone star clash) and ppl loved it. Also they are legends and well spoken compare to Zion/Nien. Only reason why they wouldn't pick Scarra is that he is fat / not good looking (bullshit reason) or his cough (reasonable). HS no idea.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 14 2013 00:39 GMT
#169
On September 14 2013 07:43 HorsemasterK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2013 06:08 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On September 14 2013 02:36 TeeTS wrote:
On September 14 2013 00:58 ketchup wrote:
On September 13 2013 20:21 DragoonTT wrote:
It's going to be a ton of fun when Monte makes every player look like an idiot at the game they're supposed to be pro at.

I'd rather have had scarra, Locodoco or Araneae than Nien or Doublelift, but Riot is going for marketing, not the actual best they can get (even though Loco or Araneae might be harder to understand, they've proven they can deliver very deep analysis again and again). Pretty much the red line going all through tournament planning.


That's such a weird statement. People sure like to hype up montecristo.


while he is definately ahead of some NA and EU Pros in terms of strategy, I wouldn´t expect at all, that he will make anyone look bad. Because that is something he simply doesn´t do!

Monte is good at game theory, but he's far away from having the insight of pros and the intricacies of lane matchups/decision making.


I'll take a pro's insight over Monte's armchair quarterbacking any day.

This is not intended to hate on Monte or discredit his thoughts, I simply think his observations would carry more weight if they were corroborated by someone who actually plays the game at a high level rather than someone who watches Koreans and is then asked by the community to justify their apparent dominance.

That said, Monte is very adept at noting trends and patterns in the scenes he watches. If he can discuss with pros the underlying reasons for these trends, Riot could end up with the best analysis desk possible.

monte knows more about korean teams than na pros. he's also a coach for a pro team so it's not exactly armchair quarterbacking
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
lastshadow
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1372 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-14 01:23:07
September 14 2013 01:12 GMT
#170
On September 14 2013 09:39 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2013 07:43 HorsemasterK wrote:
On September 14 2013 06:08 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On September 14 2013 02:36 TeeTS wrote:
On September 14 2013 00:58 ketchup wrote:
On September 13 2013 20:21 DragoonTT wrote:
It's going to be a ton of fun when Monte makes every player look like an idiot at the game they're supposed to be pro at.

I'd rather have had scarra, Locodoco or Araneae than Nien or Doublelift, but Riot is going for marketing, not the actual best they can get (even though Loco or Araneae might be harder to understand, they've proven they can deliver very deep analysis again and again). Pretty much the red line going all through tournament planning.


That's such a weird statement. People sure like to hype up montecristo.


while he is definately ahead of some NA and EU Pros in terms of strategy, I wouldn´t expect at all, that he will make anyone look bad. Because that is something he simply doesn´t do!

Monte is good at game theory, but he's far away from having the insight of pros and the intricacies of lane matchups/decision making.


I'll take a pro's insight over Monte's armchair quarterbacking any day.

This is not intended to hate on Monte or discredit his thoughts, I simply think his observations would carry more weight if they were corroborated by someone who actually plays the game at a high level rather than someone who watches Koreans and is then asked by the community to justify their apparent dominance.

That said, Monte is very adept at noting trends and patterns in the scenes he watches. If he can discuss with pros the underlying reasons for these trends, Riot could end up with the best analysis desk possible.

monte knows more about korean teams than na pros. he's also a coach for a pro team so it's not exactly armchair quarterbacking


Don't really like posting much, but I have to say actually from playing personally with him (I'm not pro, but I am Diamond 2-3 Korea SoloQ) and also having had Mima watch me/him in SoloQ duo, Mima complemented a lot of things he did, and his game understanding when I've translated it to Mima/etc has gotten nothing but either agreement and/or surprise/acknowledgement of something that Mima or his friends didn't know. This also happened with Dandy once when Monte recommended something about the Jungle DanDy didn't know.

He's smarter than most NA/EU pro's, and easily Diamond NA level without much effort.
Patience is a small price to pay for perfection.
catplanetcatplanet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3837 Posts
September 14 2013 01:27 GMT
#171
GAMING EAR EU TO WIN IT

they have best ears eu

gaming ones
I think it's finally time to admit it might not be the year of Pet
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-14 01:52:59
September 14 2013 01:52 GMT
#172
On September 14 2013 02:36 TeeTS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2013 00:58 ketchup wrote:
On September 13 2013 20:21 DragoonTT wrote:
It's going to be a ton of fun when Monte makes every player look like an idiot at the game they're supposed to be pro at.

I'd rather have had scarra, Locodoco or Araneae than Nien or Doublelift, but Riot is going for marketing, not the actual best they can get (even though Loco or Araneae might be harder to understand, they've proven they can deliver very deep analysis again and again). Pretty much the red line going all through tournament planning.


That's such a weird statement. People sure like to hype up montecristo.


while he is definately ahead of some NA and EU Pros in terms of strategy, I wouldn´t expect at all, that he will make anyone look bad. Because that is something he simply doesn´t do!

These Monte hype statements are getting more and more ridiculous. Its worse than how Artosis and Day9 were overrated in sc2.
Off-season = best season
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-14 01:56:40
September 14 2013 01:56 GMT
#173
well, it's not like people who are criticising monte are korean pros themselves. you have to come up with more than just "he's popular (with a group i dislike) so he must be overrated"
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nikuniku
Profile Joined August 2013
212 Posts
September 14 2013 02:06 GMT
#174
Official weibo (Chinese equivalence of twitter) page of team OMG.

http://t.qq.com/OMGGME

There are a few pictures of them in the training room provided by Riot. I don't know how much the person in charge from L.ACE has embezzled, but that Chinese team jacket is so freaking ugly. It is much worse than their own team shirts.
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-15 06:25:17
September 14 2013 03:06 GMT
#175
On September 14 2013 03:21 Letmelose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2013 03:10 Chexx wrote:
Question is will Letmelose post translation what CT says again? I hope so


You do it.

My Korean is not that good :<

On September 14 2013 11:06 nikuniku wrote:
Official weibo (Chinese equivalence of twitter) page of team OMG.

http://t.qq.com/OMGGME

There are a few pictures of them in the training room provided by Riot. I don't know how much the person in charge from L.ACE has embezzled, but that Chinese team jacket is so freaking ugly. It is much worse than their own team shirts.


Cant click on the pictures without being logged in

In the Korean community MonteCristo is often compared to Kim Dong Joon in terms of knowledge.
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nikuniku
Profile Joined August 2013
212 Posts
September 14 2013 03:38 GMT
#176

Cant click on the pictures without being logged in


I don't have an account either. But I just close the log in window and click open in new tab on the pictures. It works.
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
September 14 2013 06:05 GMT
#177
On September 14 2013 12:38 nikuniku wrote:
Show nested quote +

Cant click on the pictures without being logged in


I don't have an account either. But I just close the log in window and click open in new tab on the pictures. It works.

It worked thank you
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-14 06:17:17
September 14 2013 06:12 GMT
#178
Honestly, you can not compare Montecristo to players. You just can't. He fills a completely different niche, which he is good at. He blatantly admits that he has, in comparison, very little understanding of the intricacies of lane matchups and item builds and all that stuff, that pro players are going to have (and also ex-pro player casters like Jatt or Kobe), but he is almost bound, by the nature of his job, to have a better big picture team strategy understanding than most players have individually. Players have to focus on completely different things to keep their mechanics up, their decision making, everything that makes them good as an individual, which leaves little time in the day for actually studying professional strategies. That's the reason why Koreans have so many coaches and analysts, because they simply can achieve a very high level of strategic knowledge simply by studying strategies and vods over and over again, while the players themselves simpy don't have enough ours in their day to do both.

Montecristo falls into this category of an analyst, because this is the niche he fills as a caster. Many people here seem to think that he simply observes the game and makes up his own conclusions, but in reality he frequently talks to professional analysts/coaches and players of top Korean teams and learns from their immense knowledge. You can see how much he actually improved since he arrived in Korea.

So, just don't compare them. If someone says "Montecristo has better LoL knowledge than most pros" that's a very vague statement that will never apply like that. If you say he has better team strategy knowledge than most pros, then it wouldn't be to put down any pro player at all, because their main focus is bound to be on other (very important aspects) of the game that Montecristo has little knowledge in. Equally someone like kkoma (coach for SKT) is bound to have a wider understanding of the overall team strategies than his players, because we can easily assume that he focuses on that aspect 12 hours a day or so, while his players are busy practicing 12 hours a day. This happens in many sports and is not an insult to any player, if their coach knows more about some of the aspects of the game...

/rant
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 14 2013 08:40 GMT
#179
On September 14 2013 10:12 lastshadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2013 09:39 oneofthem wrote:
On September 14 2013 07:43 HorsemasterK wrote:
On September 14 2013 06:08 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On September 14 2013 02:36 TeeTS wrote:
On September 14 2013 00:58 ketchup wrote:
On September 13 2013 20:21 DragoonTT wrote:
It's going to be a ton of fun when Monte makes every player look like an idiot at the game they're supposed to be pro at.

I'd rather have had scarra, Locodoco or Araneae than Nien or Doublelift, but Riot is going for marketing, not the actual best they can get (even though Loco or Araneae might be harder to understand, they've proven they can deliver very deep analysis again and again). Pretty much the red line going all through tournament planning.


That's such a weird statement. People sure like to hype up montecristo.


while he is definately ahead of some NA and EU Pros in terms of strategy, I wouldn´t expect at all, that he will make anyone look bad. Because that is something he simply doesn´t do!

Monte is good at game theory, but he's far away from having the insight of pros and the intricacies of lane matchups/decision making.


I'll take a pro's insight over Monte's armchair quarterbacking any day.

This is not intended to hate on Monte or discredit his thoughts, I simply think his observations would carry more weight if they were corroborated by someone who actually plays the game at a high level rather than someone who watches Koreans and is then asked by the community to justify their apparent dominance.

That said, Monte is very adept at noting trends and patterns in the scenes he watches. If he can discuss with pros the underlying reasons for these trends, Riot could end up with the best analysis desk possible.

monte knows more about korean teams than na pros. he's also a coach for a pro team so it's not exactly armchair quarterbacking


Don't really like posting much, but I have to say actually from playing personally with him (I'm not pro, but I am Diamond 2-3 Korea SoloQ) and also having had Mima watch me/him in SoloQ duo, Mima complemented a lot of things he did, and his game understanding when I've translated it to Mima/etc has gotten nothing but either agreement and/or surprise/acknowledgement of something that Mima or his friends didn't know. This also happened with Dandy once when Monte recommended something about the Jungle DanDy didn't know.

He's smarter than most NA/EU pro's, and easily Diamond NA level without much effort.


Monte gave Dandy advice? dayum that's awesome if true
glzElectromaster
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Japan2474 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-14 10:05:39
September 14 2013 10:04 GMT
#180
On September 14 2013 15:12 UmberBane wrote:
Honestly, you can not compare Montecristo to players. You just can't. He fills a completely different niche, which he is good at. He blatantly admits that he has, in comparison, very little understanding of the intricacies of lane matchups and item builds and all that stuff, that pro players are going to have (and also ex-pro player casters like Jatt or Kobe), but he is almost bound, by the nature of his job, to have a better big picture team strategy understanding than most players have individually. Players have to focus on completely different things to keep their mechanics up, their decision making, everything that makes them good as an individual, which leaves little time in the day for actually studying professional strategies. That's the reason why Koreans have so many coaches and analysts, because they simply can achieve a very high level of strategic knowledge simply by studying strategies and vods over and over again, while the players themselves simpy don't have enough ours in their day to do both.

Montecristo falls into this category of an analyst, because this is the niche he fills as a caster. Many people here seem to think that he simply observes the game and makes up his own conclusions, but in reality he frequently talks to professional analysts/coaches and players of top Korean teams and learns from their immense knowledge. You can see how much he actually improved since he arrived in Korea.

So, just don't compare them. If someone says "Montecristo has better LoL knowledge than most pros" that's a very vague statement that will never apply like that. If you say he has better team strategy knowledge than most pros, then it wouldn't be to put down any pro player at all, because their main focus is bound to be on other (very important aspects) of the game that Montecristo has little knowledge in. Equally someone like kkoma (coach for SKT) is bound to have a wider understanding of the overall team strategies than his players, because we can easily assume that he focuses on that aspect 12 hours a day or so, while his players are busy practicing 12 hours a day. This happens in many sports and is not an insult to any player, if their coach knows more about some of the aspects of the game...

/rant


I concur with UmberBane here. If you know anything about Broodwar/Sc2/Almost every eSport ever, even the best, godly players have coaches that got them up there, despite their coaches being much more underwhelming when they were pros themselves. Flash's coach was a first generation pro that got high in rankings but never achieved too many great things. Coach Ryu Won that raised MMA to championships, I don't know if he even played Sc2 competitively. Game knowledge =/= Game skill.
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