EPTOn September 14 2013 03:10 Chexx wrote:
Question is will Letmelose post translation what CT says again? I hope so
Question is will Letmelose post translation what CT says again? I hope so
You do it.
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
You do it. | ||
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
http://beta.na.leagueoflegends.com/node/5603 also GET HYPED | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On September 14 2013 02:36 TeeTS wrote: while he is definately ahead of some NA and EU Pros in terms of strategy, I wouldn´t expect at all, that he will make anyone look bad. Because that is something he simply doesn´t do! Monte is good at game theory, but he's far away from having the insight of pros and the intricacies of lane matchups/decision making. | ||
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HorsemasterK
United States606 Posts
On September 14 2013 06:08 Itsmedudeman wrote: Monte is good at game theory, but he's far away from having the insight of pros and the intricacies of lane matchups/decision making. I'll take a pro's insight over Monte's armchair quarterbacking any day. This is not intended to hate on Monte or discredit his thoughts, I simply think his observations would carry more weight if they were corroborated by someone who actually plays the game at a high level rather than someone who watches Koreans and is then asked by the community to justify their apparent dominance. That said, Monte is very adept at noting trends and patterns in the scenes he watches. If he can discuss with pros the underlying reasons for these trends, Riot could end up with the best analysis desk possible. | ||
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RagequitBM
Canada2270 Posts
On September 13 2013 19:21 Numy wrote: Now that makes no sense. Scarra is like the best at it why is Zion there instead of him wtf. I think you had to apply to be an analyst. He also said something along the lines of "Should have applied after we lost in regionals" Here it is + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/eLmYYYB.png) | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
Then the rest of them pretend that talking about what is good and what is bad is like revealing some secrets to opposing players and guard their "secrets" even though we all know that Zed is retarded. | ||
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Don_Julio
2220 Posts
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orzeu
Poland5205 Posts
I don't undestand why they pick Zion/Nien and they didn't take Hotshot/Scarra. They both cast in past (hs: ogn / scarra: lone star clash) and ppl loved it. Also they are legends and well spoken compare to Zion/Nien. Only reason why they wouldn't pick Scarra is that he is fat / not good looking (bullshit reason) or his cough (reasonable). HS no idea. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On September 14 2013 07:43 HorsemasterK wrote: I'll take a pro's insight over Monte's armchair quarterbacking any day. This is not intended to hate on Monte or discredit his thoughts, I simply think his observations would carry more weight if they were corroborated by someone who actually plays the game at a high level rather than someone who watches Koreans and is then asked by the community to justify their apparent dominance. That said, Monte is very adept at noting trends and patterns in the scenes he watches. If he can discuss with pros the underlying reasons for these trends, Riot could end up with the best analysis desk possible. monte knows more about korean teams than na pros. he's also a coach for a pro team so it's not exactly armchair quarterbacking | ||
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lastshadow
United States1372 Posts
On September 14 2013 09:39 oneofthem wrote: monte knows more about korean teams than na pros. he's also a coach for a pro team so it's not exactly armchair quarterbacking Don't really like posting much, but I have to say actually from playing personally with him (I'm not pro, but I am Diamond 2-3 Korea SoloQ) and also having had Mima watch me/him in SoloQ duo, Mima complemented a lot of things he did, and his game understanding when I've translated it to Mima/etc has gotten nothing but either agreement and/or surprise/acknowledgement of something that Mima or his friends didn't know. This also happened with Dandy once when Monte recommended something about the Jungle DanDy didn't know. He's smarter than most NA/EU pro's, and easily Diamond NA level without much effort. | ||
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catplanetcatplanet
3837 Posts
they have best ears eu gaming ones | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On September 14 2013 02:36 TeeTS wrote: while he is definately ahead of some NA and EU Pros in terms of strategy, I wouldn´t expect at all, that he will make anyone look bad. Because that is something he simply doesn´t do! These Monte hype statements are getting more and more ridiculous. Its worse than how Artosis and Day9 were overrated in sc2. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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nikuniku
212 Posts
http://t.qq.com/OMGGME There are a few pictures of them in the training room provided by Riot. I don't know how much the person in charge from L.ACE has embezzled, but that Chinese team jacket is so freaking ugly. It is much worse than their own team shirts. | ||
Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
My Korean is not that good :< On September 14 2013 11:06 nikuniku wrote: Official weibo (Chinese equivalence of twitter) page of team OMG. http://t.qq.com/OMGGME There are a few pictures of them in the training room provided by Riot. I don't know how much the person in charge from L.ACE has embezzled, but that Chinese team jacket is so freaking ugly. It is much worse than their own team shirts. Cant click on the pictures without being logged in  In the Korean community MonteCristo is often compared to Kim Dong Joon in terms of knowledge. | ||
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nikuniku
212 Posts
Cant click on the pictures without being logged in I don't have an account either. But I just close the log in window and click open in new tab on the pictures. It works. | ||
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Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
On September 14 2013 12:38 nikuniku wrote: I don't have an account either. But I just close the log in window and click open in new tab on the pictures. It works. It worked thank you | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
Montecristo falls into this category of an analyst, because this is the niche he fills as a caster. Many people here seem to think that he simply observes the game and makes up his own conclusions, but in reality he frequently talks to professional analysts/coaches and players of top Korean teams and learns from their immense knowledge. You can see how much he actually improved since he arrived in Korea. So, just don't compare them. If someone says "Montecristo has better LoL knowledge than most pros" that's a very vague statement that will never apply like that. If you say he has better team strategy knowledge than most pros, then it wouldn't be to put down any pro player at all, because their main focus is bound to be on other (very important aspects) of the game that Montecristo has little knowledge in. Equally someone like kkoma (coach for SKT) is bound to have a wider understanding of the overall team strategies than his players, because we can easily assume that he focuses on that aspect 12 hours a day or so, while his players are busy practicing 12 hours a day. This happens in many sports and is not an insult to any player, if their coach knows more about some of the aspects of the game... /rant | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On September 14 2013 10:12 lastshadow wrote: Don't really like posting much, but I have to say actually from playing personally with him (I'm not pro, but I am Diamond 2-3 Korea SoloQ) and also having had Mima watch me/him in SoloQ duo, Mima complemented a lot of things he did, and his game understanding when I've translated it to Mima/etc has gotten nothing but either agreement and/or surprise/acknowledgement of something that Mima or his friends didn't know. This also happened with Dandy once when Monte recommended something about the Jungle DanDy didn't know. He's smarter than most NA/EU pro's, and easily Diamond NA level without much effort. Monte gave Dandy advice? dayum that's awesome if true | ||
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glzElectromaster
Japan2474 Posts
On September 14 2013 15:12 UmberBane wrote: Honestly, you can not compare Montecristo to players. You just can't. He fills a completely different niche, which he is good at. He blatantly admits that he has, in comparison, very little understanding of the intricacies of lane matchups and item builds and all that stuff, that pro players are going to have (and also ex-pro player casters like Jatt or Kobe), but he is almost bound, by the nature of his job, to have a better big picture team strategy understanding than most players have individually. Players have to focus on completely different things to keep their mechanics up, their decision making, everything that makes them good as an individual, which leaves little time in the day for actually studying professional strategies. That's the reason why Koreans have so many coaches and analysts, because they simply can achieve a very high level of strategic knowledge simply by studying strategies and vods over and over again, while the players themselves simpy don't have enough ours in their day to do both. Montecristo falls into this category of an analyst, because this is the niche he fills as a caster. Many people here seem to think that he simply observes the game and makes up his own conclusions, but in reality he frequently talks to professional analysts/coaches and players of top Korean teams and learns from their immense knowledge. You can see how much he actually improved since he arrived in Korea. So, just don't compare them. If someone says "Montecristo has better LoL knowledge than most pros" that's a very vague statement that will never apply like that. If you say he has better team strategy knowledge than most pros, then it wouldn't be to put down any pro player at all, because their main focus is bound to be on other (very important aspects) of the game that Montecristo has little knowledge in. Equally someone like kkoma (coach for SKT) is bound to have a wider understanding of the overall team strategies than his players, because we can easily assume that he focuses on that aspect 12 hours a day or so, while his players are busy practicing 12 hours a day. This happens in many sports and is not an insult to any player, if their coach knows more about some of the aspects of the game... /rant I concur with UmberBane here. If you know anything about Broodwar/Sc2/Almost every eSport ever, even the best, godly players have coaches that got them up there, despite their coaches being much more underwhelming when they were pros themselves. Flash's coach was a first generation pro that got high in rankings but never achieved too many great things. Coach Ryu Won that raised MMA to championships, I don't know if he even played Sc2 competitively. Game knowledge =/= Game skill. | ||
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