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On September 14 2013 19:04 glzElectromaster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 15:12 UmberBane wrote:
Honestly, you can not compare Montecristo to players. You just can't. He fills a completely different niche, which he is good at. He blatantly admits that he has, in comparison, very little understanding of the intricacies of lane matchups and item builds and all that stuff, that pro players are going to have (and also ex-pro player casters like Jatt or Kobe), but he is almost bound, by the nature of his job, to have a better big picture team strategy understanding than most players have individually. Players have to focus on completely different things to keep their mechanics up, their decision making, everything that makes them good as an individual, which leaves little time in the day for actually studying professional strategies. That's the reason why Koreans have so many coaches and analysts, because they simply can achieve a very high level of strategic knowledge simply by studying strategies and vods over and over again, while the players themselves simpy don't have enough ours in their day to do both.
Montecristo falls into this category of an analyst, because this is the niche he fills as a caster. Many people here seem to think that he simply observes the game and makes up his own conclusions, but in reality he frequently talks to professional analysts/coaches and players of top Korean teams and learns from their immense knowledge. You can see how much he actually improved since he arrived in Korea.
So, just don't compare them. If someone says "Montecristo has better LoL knowledge than most pros" that's a very vague statement that will never apply like that. If you say he has better team strategy knowledge than most pros, then it wouldn't be to put down any pro player at all, because their main focus is bound to be on other (very important aspects) of the game that Montecristo has little knowledge in. Equally someone like kkoma (coach for SKT) is bound to have a wider understanding of the overall team strategies than his players, because we can easily assume that he focuses on that aspect 12 hours a day or so, while his players are busy practicing 12 hours a day. This happens in many sports and is not an insult to any player, if their coach knows more about some of the aspects of the game...
/rant I concur with UmberBane here. If you know anything about Broodwar/Sc2/Almost every eSport ever, even the best, godly players have coaches that got them up there, despite their coaches being much more underwhelming when they were pros themselves. Flash's coach was a first generation pro that got high in rankings but never achieved too many great things. Coach Ryu Won that raised MMA to championships, I don't know if he even played Sc2 competitively. Game knowledge =/= Game skill.
Guess who was the mastermind behind Fantasy's success.
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On September 14 2013 19:08 Don_Julio wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 19:04 glzElectromaster wrote:On September 14 2013 15:12 UmberBane wrote:
Honestly, you can not compare Montecristo to players. You just can't. He fills a completely different niche, which he is good at. He blatantly admits that he has, in comparison, very little understanding of the intricacies of lane matchups and item builds and all that stuff, that pro players are going to have (and also ex-pro player casters like Jatt or Kobe), but he is almost bound, by the nature of his job, to have a better big picture team strategy understanding than most players have individually. Players have to focus on completely different things to keep their mechanics up, their decision making, everything that makes them good as an individual, which leaves little time in the day for actually studying professional strategies. That's the reason why Koreans have so many coaches and analysts, because they simply can achieve a very high level of strategic knowledge simply by studying strategies and vods over and over again, while the players themselves simpy don't have enough ours in their day to do both.
Montecristo falls into this category of an analyst, because this is the niche he fills as a caster. Many people here seem to think that he simply observes the game and makes up his own conclusions, but in reality he frequently talks to professional analysts/coaches and players of top Korean teams and learns from their immense knowledge. You can see how much he actually improved since he arrived in Korea.
So, just don't compare them. If someone says "Montecristo has better LoL knowledge than most pros" that's a very vague statement that will never apply like that. If you say he has better team strategy knowledge than most pros, then it wouldn't be to put down any pro player at all, because their main focus is bound to be on other (very important aspects) of the game that Montecristo has little knowledge in. Equally someone like kkoma (coach for SKT) is bound to have a wider understanding of the overall team strategies than his players, because we can easily assume that he focuses on that aspect 12 hours a day or so, while his players are busy practicing 12 hours a day. This happens in many sports and is not an insult to any player, if their coach knows more about some of the aspects of the game...
/rant I concur with UmberBane here. If you know anything about Broodwar/Sc2/Almost every eSport ever, even the best, godly players have coaches that got them up there, despite their coaches being much more underwhelming when they were pros themselves. Flash's coach was a first generation pro that got high in rankings but never achieved too many great things. Coach Ryu Won that raised MMA to championships, I don't know if he even played Sc2 competitively. Game knowledge =/= Game skill. Guess who was the mastermind behind Fantasy's success.
You mean his silver surfing? :D
Don't tell me all the coaches in BW were like Boxer and oov 
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Is Rengar allowed for S3? I remember that he was banned because of some bug.
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Russian Federation1953 Posts
On September 14 2013 21:28 nikuniku wrote:
Is Rengar allowed for S3? I remember that he was banned because of some bug.
he got nerfed since then
i think yes, cause chinese teams used him a lot during qualifiers
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On September 14 2013 19:08 Don_Julio wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 19:04 glzElectromaster wrote:On September 14 2013 15:12 UmberBane wrote:
Honestly, you can not compare Montecristo to players. You just can't. He fills a completely different niche, which he is good at. He blatantly admits that he has, in comparison, very little understanding of the intricacies of lane matchups and item builds and all that stuff, that pro players are going to have (and also ex-pro player casters like Jatt or Kobe), but he is almost bound, by the nature of his job, to have a better big picture team strategy understanding than most players have individually. Players have to focus on completely different things to keep their mechanics up, their decision making, everything that makes them good as an individual, which leaves little time in the day for actually studying professional strategies. That's the reason why Koreans have so many coaches and analysts, because they simply can achieve a very high level of strategic knowledge simply by studying strategies and vods over and over again, while the players themselves simpy don't have enough ours in their day to do both.
Montecristo falls into this category of an analyst, because this is the niche he fills as a caster. Many people here seem to think that he simply observes the game and makes up his own conclusions, but in reality he frequently talks to professional analysts/coaches and players of top Korean teams and learns from their immense knowledge. You can see how much he actually improved since he arrived in Korea.
So, just don't compare them. If someone says "Montecristo has better LoL knowledge than most pros" that's a very vague statement that will never apply like that. If you say he has better team strategy knowledge than most pros, then it wouldn't be to put down any pro player at all, because their main focus is bound to be on other (very important aspects) of the game that Montecristo has little knowledge in. Equally someone like kkoma (coach for SKT) is bound to have a wider understanding of the overall team strategies than his players, because we can easily assume that he focuses on that aspect 12 hours a day or so, while his players are busy practicing 12 hours a day. This happens in many sports and is not an insult to any player, if their coach knows more about some of the aspects of the game...
/rant I concur with UmberBane here. If you know anything about Broodwar/Sc2/Almost every eSport ever, even the best, godly players have coaches that got them up there, despite their coaches being much more underwhelming when they were pros themselves. Flash's coach was a first generation pro that got high in rankings but never achieved too many great things. Coach Ryu Won that raised MMA to championships, I don't know if he even played Sc2 competitively. Game knowledge =/= Game skill. Guess who was the mastermind behind Fantasy's success.
oov was a freaking genius though. Add some Boxer cutesy cheesiness (there's more to it, i know) and that's the cherry on top.
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On September 11 2013 14:24 Fionn wrote:
Faker vs. Cool will be the best player in the world (consensually) facing the guy who probably has the best chance of knocking him off outside Korea.
Faker vs. Reginald will either end in everyone shitting on North America, Reginald or TSM, or a miracle will happen and Reginald will beat Faker, retire on the spot and move to Hawaii.
Regi will pick karthas and go top, AD+ support will go mid.
There is no way Regi is crazy enough to go 1v1 vs Faker.
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On September 15 2013 01:13 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 14:24 Fionn wrote:
Faker vs. Cool will be the best player in the world (consensually) facing the guy who probably has the best chance of knocking him off outside Korea.
Faker vs. Reginald will either end in everyone shitting on North America, Reginald or TSM, or a miracle will happen and Reginald will beat Faker, retire on the spot and move to Hawaii. Regi will pick karthas and go top, AD+ support will go mid. There is no way Regi is crazy enough to go 1v1 vs Faker.
By that you mean Regi always play safe? dunno about that
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On September 15 2013 01:13 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 14:24 Fionn wrote:
Faker vs. Cool will be the best player in the world (consensually) facing the guy who probably has the best chance of knocking him off outside Korea.
Faker vs. Reginald will either end in everyone shitting on North America, Reginald or TSM, or a miracle will happen and Reginald will beat Faker, retire on the spot and move to Hawaii. There is no way Regi is crazy enough to
Famous last words.
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On September 15 2013 01:13 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 14:24 Fionn wrote:
Faker vs. Cool will be the best player in the world (consensually) facing the guy who probably has the best chance of knocking him off outside Korea.
Faker vs. Reginald will either end in everyone shitting on North America, Reginald or TSM, or a miracle will happen and Reginald will beat Faker, retire on the spot and move to Hawaii. Regi will pick karthas and go top, AD+ support will go mid. There is no way Regi is crazy enough to go 1v1 vs Faker.
opposing team bans Karthus & Ahri
Regi picks Fizz because all he can do now is provide fan service and has given up on trying to win
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On September 15 2013 01:13 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 14:24 Fionn wrote:
Faker vs. Cool will be the best player in the world (consensually) facing the guy who probably has the best chance of knocking him off outside Korea.
Faker vs. Reginald will either end in everyone shitting on North America, Reginald or TSM, or a miracle will happen and Reginald will beat Faker, retire on the spot and move to Hawaii. Regi will pick karthas and go top, AD+ support will go mid. There is no way Regi is crazy enough to go 1v1 vs Faker.
TSM typically NEVER have 2v1 lanes mid.
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On September 14 2013 19:08 Don_Julio wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 19:04 glzElectromaster wrote:On September 14 2013 15:12 UmberBane wrote:
Honestly, you can not compare Montecristo to players. You just can't. He fills a completely different niche, which he is good at. He blatantly admits that he has, in comparison, very little understanding of the intricacies of lane matchups and item builds and all that stuff, that pro players are going to have (and also ex-pro player casters like Jatt or Kobe), but he is almost bound, by the nature of his job, to have a better big picture team strategy understanding than most players have individually. Players have to focus on completely different things to keep their mechanics up, their decision making, everything that makes them good as an individual, which leaves little time in the day for actually studying professional strategies. That's the reason why Koreans have so many coaches and analysts, because they simply can achieve a very high level of strategic knowledge simply by studying strategies and vods over and over again, while the players themselves simpy don't have enough ours in their day to do both.
Montecristo falls into this category of an analyst, because this is the niche he fills as a caster. Many people here seem to think that he simply observes the game and makes up his own conclusions, but in reality he frequently talks to professional analysts/coaches and players of top Korean teams and learns from their immense knowledge. You can see how much he actually improved since he arrived in Korea.
So, just don't compare them. If someone says "Montecristo has better LoL knowledge than most pros" that's a very vague statement that will never apply like that. If you say he has better team strategy knowledge than most pros, then it wouldn't be to put down any pro player at all, because their main focus is bound to be on other (very important aspects) of the game that Montecristo has little knowledge in. Equally someone like kkoma (coach for SKT) is bound to have a wider understanding of the overall team strategies than his players, because we can easily assume that he focuses on that aspect 12 hours a day or so, while his players are busy practicing 12 hours a day. This happens in many sports and is not an insult to any player, if their coach knows more about some of the aspects of the game...
/rant I concur with UmberBane here. If you know anything about Broodwar/Sc2/Almost every eSport ever, even the best, godly players have coaches that got them up there, despite their coaches being much more underwhelming when they were pros themselves. Flash's coach was a first generation pro that got high in rankings but never achieved too many great things. Coach Ryu Won that raised MMA to championships, I don't know if he even played Sc2 competitively. Game knowledge =/= Game skill. Guess who was the mastermind behind Fantasy's success.
Better than Fantasy by far. oov is god.
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It's sad that the TL writeup for last year is an argument for favorites meaning nothing to some people. Fucking TL having TSM 3rd. Like, whose idea was THAT
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United States23455 Posts
i wasn't on staff yet to shove my korean dominance mindset.
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They actually didn't look that bad against Frost last year to be honest. I don't know about third but they could have possibly been one of the better teams there. This just made me realize how drastically the scene has changed in a year, oh boy.
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On September 15 2013 03:51 UmberBane wrote:
They actually didn't look that bad against Frost last year to be honest. I don't know about third but they could have possibly been one of the better teams there. This just made me realize how drastically the scene has changed in a year, oh boy.
The scenes have changed dramatically. Each region has a distinct style whereas in S2 everyone played almost the same way and the game was very passive and typically came down to team fights.
Hell, even in just a few months the scenes are changing, especially korea. Before spring no one knew who the hell MVP Ozone and SKT T1 were and in even a smaller span of time Blaze became a 3rd tier team. Between February and June it was no question the Chinese were the best region.
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na blows eu blows kr cn will destroy the white people
hell half the eu na teams are yellow people anyways
sorry csheep biggest troll, will kill me if I delete this
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off topic: the prize pool is over 2 million USD, thats fucking crazy
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On September 15 2013 07:16 JerKy wrote:
off topic: the prize pool is over 2 million USD, thats fucking crazy
Not including the money riot paid in salaries to the LCS teams 
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On September 15 2013 07:19 nojitosunrise wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2013 07:16 JerKy wrote:
off topic: the prize pool is over 2 million USD, thats fucking crazy
Not including the money riot paid in salaries to the LCS teams
Then you could also include all the prize money for the regional tournaments.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On September 15 2013 00:46 Ethelis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 19:08 Don_Julio wrote:On September 14 2013 19:04 glzElectromaster wrote:On September 14 2013 15:12 UmberBane wrote:
Honestly, you can not compare Montecristo to players. You just can't. He fills a completely different niche, which he is good at. He blatantly admits that he has, in comparison, very little understanding of the intricacies of lane matchups and item builds and all that stuff, that pro players are going to have (and also ex-pro player casters like Jatt or Kobe), but he is almost bound, by the nature of his job, to have a better big picture team strategy understanding than most players have individually. Players have to focus on completely different things to keep their mechanics up, their decision making, everything that makes them good as an individual, which leaves little time in the day for actually studying professional strategies. That's the reason why Koreans have so many coaches and analysts, because they simply can achieve a very high level of strategic knowledge simply by studying strategies and vods over and over again, while the players themselves simpy don't have enough ours in their day to do both.
Montecristo falls into this category of an analyst, because this is the niche he fills as a caster. Many people here seem to think that he simply observes the game and makes up his own conclusions, but in reality he frequently talks to professional analysts/coaches and players of top Korean teams and learns from their immense knowledge. You can see how much he actually improved since he arrived in Korea.
So, just don't compare them. If someone says "Montecristo has better LoL knowledge than most pros" that's a very vague statement that will never apply like that. If you say he has better team strategy knowledge than most pros, then it wouldn't be to put down any pro player at all, because their main focus is bound to be on other (very important aspects) of the game that Montecristo has little knowledge in. Equally someone like kkoma (coach for SKT) is bound to have a wider understanding of the overall team strategies than his players, because we can easily assume that he focuses on that aspect 12 hours a day or so, while his players are busy practicing 12 hours a day. This happens in many sports and is not an insult to any player, if their coach knows more about some of the aspects of the game...
/rant I concur with UmberBane here. If you know anything about Broodwar/Sc2/Almost every eSport ever, even the best, godly players have coaches that got them up there, despite their coaches being much more underwhelming when they were pros themselves. Flash's coach was a first generation pro that got high in rankings but never achieved too many great things. Coach Ryu Won that raised MMA to championships, I don't know if he even played Sc2 competitively. Game knowledge =/= Game skill. Guess who was the mastermind behind Fantasy's success. oov was a freaking genius though. Add some Boxer cutesy cheesiness (there's more to it, i know) and that's the cherry on top. the more cutesy fantasy got the worse he got. should just listen to oov exclusively
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