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Haasts
Profile Joined October 2011
New Zealand4445 Posts
September 08 2013 09:13 GMT
#221
Buffering into Uzi double + a kill mid. G'luck iG!
PaniaoftheReef in Path of Exile TotA SSF SC // Lovelin fanclub // GreenTea #1
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-08 09:16:15
September 08 2013 09:13 GMT
#222
How are they going to stop uzi with their draft? Twitch is gonna wreck everyone this game.

You guys should switch to the chinese stream.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-08 09:25:04
September 08 2013 09:18 GMT
#223
I think the flaw with chinese drafts is that they're very theoretical. In an ideal scenario, iG can kite forever, and if somebody gets caught, yorick ulti will bring them back to "tank" while everybody else continues to DPS. They don't really draft to counter, they draft because something should work.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Haasts
Profile Joined October 2011
New Zealand4445 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-08 09:22:01
September 08 2013 09:21 GMT
#224
6/0/0 Uzi at ~10mins, oh dear. Did anyone catch the bans?
PaniaoftheReef in Path of Exile TotA SSF SC // Lovelin fanclub // GreenTea #1
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
September 08 2013 09:21 GMT
#225
Zzitai goes down in a solo kill after achieving nothing. Tabe goes down to critical health and gets away while Uzi picks up XiaoXiao and later Kid with a well-timed gank. Royal outclassing iG
Kavas
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia3421 Posts
September 08 2013 09:21 GMT
#226
On September 08 2013 18:10 Letmelose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 17:53 Kavas wrote:
On September 08 2013 17:49 TheYango wrote:

I don't see good decision making either.
For example, last game ezreal arcane shifts over wall into base to try to kill a full health twitch and has to flash out.
Vayne getting greedy this game and flashing for a kill only to not get it and get stunned in a bush by renek at level 1.
Perhaps I expected too much, but I thought China would be far ahead of the NA and EU scene. I don't think so.

You're essentially judging the entire region by San's play, when San is by any reasonable opinion the worst ADC among the top 5 teams in LPL and arguably the worst player on OMG depending on who's playing.

Top level teams in every region have weak players that get carried by their stronger teammates, this is not exclusive to CN.

If this game is anything to go by, even c9 can dumpster iG and Royal.

And this is not judging on early game plan or laning, come mid and late game their decision making looks extremely reckless and desperate..


This is just pure conjecture with no sources of cross-referencing what-so-ever. There's just way of proof, or dis-proof when it comes to these kind of discussions where we just "imagine" how a series would play out based on our judgements. For example, are you that sure that the bottom-lane of Cloud9 would be strong enough to withstand the might of Uzi? Who is to say that the snowballing of the advantages from that lane alone would ruin everything else for Cloud9? We can draw certain conclusions from watching these games, but the fact of the matter is, saying such things really holds no weight, especially when you're dragging up the subject of the relative strength of Cloud9, which is something that not even the players of Cloud9 could not know for sure.

Further more, due to the set-up of Season 3 World Championship, I would go as far as to say that Cloud9 has just as much chance as having their tournament run end without having met a single Chinese team.

For starters, I am questioning their mid and late-game decision making, which has so far shown to be lacking. I am not questioning their early game and laning proficiency and Uzi is definitely the ADC I rate as strongest from what I have seen.

And my dear friend, surely you don't expect me to reference any studies or the sort of LOL in general. One of the points of this forum is to debate and share what little knowledge we have on the issue.
Argoth.
Profile Joined December 2004
Germany1961 Posts
September 08 2013 09:22 GMT
#227
What a stomp
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
September 08 2013 09:27 GMT
#228
Report xiaoxiao for feeding
No I'm never serious.
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
September 08 2013 09:27 GMT
#229
This buffering is stupid.
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
September 08 2013 09:28 GMT
#230
I'm just watching this while listening to the english casters http://lol.tga.plu.cn/lpl/live
No I'm never serious.
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-08 09:32:05
September 08 2013 09:31 GMT
#231
if anyone is interested in the korean stream and can use afreecaTV: http://dostream.co.kr/#/stream/afreeca/holsmanul

the ingame quality is perfect, the out-of-game content is a re-stream of the chinese stream so theres quality loss there

dat iG 20 minute surrender
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
September 08 2013 09:42 GMT
#232
these chinese drafts are so weird. why would u ever need to fp renekton. so inefficient and in their own world.
nikuniku
Profile Joined August 2013
212 Posts
September 08 2013 09:44 GMT
#233
On September 08 2013 18:03 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 17:49 TheYango wrote:

I don't see good decision making either.
For example, last game ezreal arcane shifts over wall into base to try to kill a full health twitch and has to flash out.
Vayne getting greedy this game and flashing for a kill only to not get it and get stunned in a bush by renek at level 1.
Perhaps I expected too much, but I thought China would be far ahead of the NA and EU scene. I don't think so.

You're essentially judging the entire region by San's play, when San is by any reasonable opinion the worst ADC among the top 5 teams in LPL and arguably the worst player on OMG depending on who's playing.

Top level teams in every region have weak players that get carried by their stronger teammates, this is not exclusive to CN.


Yes, but I was pointing those examples out because those are the plays that really stuck out to me as "wow that's really bad".
And knowing that OMG is one of the top (if not the best) teams in China, I really didn't expect that. There are many other things I question as well.

Some more examples if it helps-
in game 2 ez/janna go for 2man dragon after the huge fight despite it being obvious they couldn't get it because of how low they were. Meanwhile, renek is taking blue. If you're gonna go for the dragon at least go for it all together, or just take blue and back. It was facepalm worthy and resulted in getting their tower pressured from backing so late.
I also don't agree with the annie pick at all. It's very risky. I can see why they would want it alongside jarvan because of the instantaneous AOE stun, but that's the only thing she provides pretty much. I'd rather have Nami/Zyra that can do a similar job while providing so much more utility.
They seem to be way behind the trends as well. So much focus on ganks/kills over towers. Also lack of vision and tons of diving despite said lack of vision.



Nami/Zyra? The purpose of Royal's team composition is to initiate and burst down one member of the opposing team. Now tell me, whose ult is good at initiating team fights for Nami/Zyra?
Kavas
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia3421 Posts
September 08 2013 09:46 GMT
#234
So China finally 'copies' Eu's aatrox, will it work or fail hard?
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
September 08 2013 09:46 GMT
#235
CORKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
lilwisper
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2515 Posts
September 08 2013 09:52 GMT
#236
Aatrox is such a beast this game. Illusion is off to a great start.
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
September 08 2013 09:53 GMT
#237
On September 08 2013 18:21 Kavas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 18:10 Letmelose wrote:
On September 08 2013 17:53 Kavas wrote:
On September 08 2013 17:49 TheYango wrote:

I don't see good decision making either.
For example, last game ezreal arcane shifts over wall into base to try to kill a full health twitch and has to flash out.
Vayne getting greedy this game and flashing for a kill only to not get it and get stunned in a bush by renek at level 1.
Perhaps I expected too much, but I thought China would be far ahead of the NA and EU scene. I don't think so.

You're essentially judging the entire region by San's play, when San is by any reasonable opinion the worst ADC among the top 5 teams in LPL and arguably the worst player on OMG depending on who's playing.

Top level teams in every region have weak players that get carried by their stronger teammates, this is not exclusive to CN.

If this game is anything to go by, even c9 can dumpster iG and Royal.

And this is not judging on early game plan or laning, come mid and late game their decision making looks extremely reckless and desperate..


This is just pure conjecture with no sources of cross-referencing what-so-ever. There's just way of proof, or dis-proof when it comes to these kind of discussions where we just "imagine" how a series would play out based on our judgements. For example, are you that sure that the bottom-lane of Cloud9 would be strong enough to withstand the might of Uzi? Who is to say that the snowballing of the advantages from that lane alone would ruin everything else for Cloud9? We can draw certain conclusions from watching these games, but the fact of the matter is, saying such things really holds no weight, especially when you're dragging up the subject of the relative strength of Cloud9, which is something that not even the players of Cloud9 could not know for sure.

Further more, due to the set-up of Season 3 World Championship, I would go as far as to say that Cloud9 has just as much chance as having their tournament run end without having met a single Chinese team.

For starters, I am questioning their mid and late-game decision making, which has so far shown to be lacking. I am not questioning their early game and laning proficiency and Uzi is definitely the ADC I rate as strongest from what I have seen.

And my dear friend, surely you don't expect me to reference any studies or the sort of LOL in general. One of the points of this forum is to debate and share what little knowledge we have on the issue.


Well, I know next to nothing about both the Chinese, and North American scene. However, taking a look back at some of the stuff I predicted about the Korean scene, something I am quite familiar with, I find that I'm talking out of my ass half the time, if not more so. I've seen Uzi single handidly wreck destroy some of the best bot lanes in the world, but I'm not going to play a fool and start making wild conjectures based on those few games I've watched. It's the same with Cloud9, I believe that the level of decision making is quite sound, but I get the feeling that their laning phase can be exploited by top level players. However, this is all conjecture on my part.

All teams have glaring weaknesses that can be exploited. Just because we have the insight to point them out, it doesn't make us prophets, and making outlandish predictions based upon those observations makes for very provacative discussions based more on hunches, and personal predispositions. Then looking back on it months afterwards, I often realize how stupid I was. Seriously, it's hard enough predicting results of a single region, where we have all the information available.
TL+ Member
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
September 08 2013 09:55 GMT
#238
Dat suicidal fish wtf.
Off-season = best season
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 08 2013 09:57 GMT
#239
The production for this tournament has been terrible. I'm saying this watching the chinese stream, but they need less cosplay and better production everywhere else. The sound is terrible, and you can't hear the crowd whatsoever. This isn't just regionals either, it's supposed to be their championships.

Too bad OGN can't just run every tournament.
koziol
Profile Joined October 2008
Poland768 Posts
September 08 2013 09:57 GMT
#240
11 min TF lol gl
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