• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:21
CEST 14:21
KST 21:21
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy21ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20
Community News
$5,000 WardiTV TLMC tournament - Presented by Monster Energy3GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding7Weekly Cups (May 30-Apr 5): herO, Clem, SHIN win0[BSL22] RO32 Group Stage5Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple6
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy Quebec Clan still alive ? BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Weekly Cups (May 30-Apr 5): herO, Clem, SHIN win
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding $5,000 WardiTV TLMC tournament - Presented by Monster Energy Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 520 Moving Fees Mutation # 519 Inner Power Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone
Brood War
General
JD's Ro24 review BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL21 General Discussion [BSL22] RO32 Group Stage
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro24 Group F [BSL22] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CEST
Strategy
Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates Muta micro map competition What's the deal with APM & what's its true value
Other Games
General Games
Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread The China Politics Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How Streamers Inspire Gamers…
TrAiDoS
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Electronics
mantequilla
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1928 users

[CN] S3 Regional Finals - Page 13

Forum Index > LoL Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 11 12 13 14 15 23 Next All
Kavas
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia3421 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-08 10:00:34
September 08 2013 09:58 GMT
#241
On September 08 2013 18:53 Letmelose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 18:21 Kavas wrote:
On September 08 2013 18:10 Letmelose wrote:
On September 08 2013 17:53 Kavas wrote:
On September 08 2013 17:49 TheYango wrote:

I don't see good decision making either.
For example, last game ezreal arcane shifts over wall into base to try to kill a full health twitch and has to flash out.
Vayne getting greedy this game and flashing for a kill only to not get it and get stunned in a bush by renek at level 1.
Perhaps I expected too much, but I thought China would be far ahead of the NA and EU scene. I don't think so.

You're essentially judging the entire region by San's play, when San is by any reasonable opinion the worst ADC among the top 5 teams in LPL and arguably the worst player on OMG depending on who's playing.

Top level teams in every region have weak players that get carried by their stronger teammates, this is not exclusive to CN.

If this game is anything to go by, even c9 can dumpster iG and Royal.

And this is not judging on early game plan or laning, come mid and late game their decision making looks extremely reckless and desperate..


This is just pure conjecture with no sources of cross-referencing what-so-ever. There's just way of proof, or dis-proof when it comes to these kind of discussions where we just "imagine" how a series would play out based on our judgements. For example, are you that sure that the bottom-lane of Cloud9 would be strong enough to withstand the might of Uzi? Who is to say that the snowballing of the advantages from that lane alone would ruin everything else for Cloud9? We can draw certain conclusions from watching these games, but the fact of the matter is, saying such things really holds no weight, especially when you're dragging up the subject of the relative strength of Cloud9, which is something that not even the players of Cloud9 could not know for sure.

Further more, due to the set-up of Season 3 World Championship, I would go as far as to say that Cloud9 has just as much chance as having their tournament run end without having met a single Chinese team.

For starters, I am questioning their mid and late-game decision making, which has so far shown to be lacking. I am not questioning their early game and laning proficiency and Uzi is definitely the ADC I rate as strongest from what I have seen.

And my dear friend, surely you don't expect me to reference any studies or the sort of LOL in general. One of the points of this forum is to debate and share what little knowledge we have on the issue.


Well, I know next to nothing about both the Chinese, and North American scene. However, taking a look back at some of the stuff I predicted about the Korean scene, something I am quite familiar with, I find that I'm talking out of my ass half the time, if not more so. I've seen Uzi single handidly wreck destroy some of the best bot lanes in the world, but I'm not going to play a fool and start making wild conjectures based on those few games I've watched. It's the same with Cloud9, I believe that the level of decision making is quite sound, but I get the feeling that their laning phase can be exploited by top level players. However, this is all conjecture on my part.

All teams have glaring weaknesses that can be exploited. Just because we have the insight to point them out, it doesn't make us prophets, and making outlandish predictions based upon those observations makes for very provacative discussions based more on hunches, and personal predispositions. Then looking back on it months afterwards, I often realize how stupid I was. Seriously, it's hard enough predicting results of a single region, where we have all the information available.

Hindsight is 20/20 as they say. If my little proclamations upsets you I apologize. But really I am not someone aiming for best predictions or anything of the sort so permit my little whims

That said, Chinese game looks really messy in general.

Edit: LOL Lucky could have lived if he didn't give up running.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
September 08 2013 10:01 GMT
#242
Vi: I GIVE UP ON LIFE, TURRET GONNA KILL ME
Lives by like 10 HP
Vi: FML.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 08 2013 10:02 GMT
#243
Lucky is honestly terrible. The junglers in China have really been especially unimpressive.
lilwisper
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2515 Posts
September 08 2013 10:03 GMT
#244
Smart Kayle ults.
Kavas
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia3421 Posts
September 08 2013 10:05 GMT
#245
Speaking of which, I've wondered why Kayle hasn't been picked up again after the buffs to nashor's tooth and the rise of Zed/Fizz.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
September 08 2013 10:05 GMT
#246
Trinity Ezrael carries this.
Off-season = best season
FSKi
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States901 Posts
September 08 2013 10:06 GMT
#247
--- Nuked ---
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 08 2013 10:06 GMT
#248
Wtf that Renekton. o_o
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 08 2013 10:08 GMT
#249
uzi piglet & IMp at worlds I'm ready
koziol
Profile Joined October 2008
Poland768 Posts
September 08 2013 10:09 GMT
#250
well gg, my first chinese match watched and its so agressive, are all those matches like this?^^
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 08 2013 10:11 GMT
#251
Just Royal and iG, really.

OMG vs WE would be so much slower that you wouldn't even know you were watching games from the same region.
Moderator
Kavas
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia3421 Posts
September 08 2013 10:12 GMT
#252
XiaoXiao, not just fail cresendo; now brand new with fail Boxes as well!
koziol
Profile Joined October 2008
Poland768 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-08 10:16:48
September 08 2013 10:14 GMT
#253
when does the final start? it says it was yestarday..

edit: ok I see its up next
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
September 08 2013 10:17 GMT
#254
these guys are so bloodthirsty wow, that was like 40 kills in 30 minutes or so
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
September 08 2013 10:17 GMT
#255
On September 08 2013 19:12 Kavas wrote:
XiaoXiao, not just fail cresendo; now brand new with fail Boxes as well!


we need gifs!!
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 08 2013 10:26 GMT
#256
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
September 08 2013 10:29 GMT
#257
Royal is a Poor Man's SK Telecom. You could argue Uzi and Piglet, but they play a similar style, but SKT just does it a lot better with their skirmishing, diving, and fighting across the map. Royal were really sloppy at times, but I think White and especially Uzi have some great skill.

Their Jungler I don't know about. I didn't watch LPL Summer, but I haven't really been impressed by him. Was he good in the regular season?
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-08 10:29:51
September 08 2013 10:29 GMT
#258
another issue they have is that only the support seems to do any sight control, then gets caught out, dies, and no vision.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
September 08 2013 10:31 GMT
#259
Cool's last five games look like Faker's.

I really want to see Faker vs. Cool.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Katsuge
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore7730 Posts
September 08 2013 10:31 GMT
#260
i thought the games were pretty sloppy.
idk, not used to that kind of playstyle probably
김태연 | 정은지 | 아이유 |  한효주 | 이민정 <3 -|||- 소녀시대 에이핑크 사랑해!
Prev 1 11 12 13 14 15 23 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Team League
11:00
Playoffs Day 3
WardiTV737
ComeBackTV 562
IndyStarCraft 146
Rex90
3DClanTV 45
Liquipedia
Sparkling Tuna Cup
10:00
Weekly #127
ByuN vs SHINLIVE!
Classic vs TBD
CranKy Ducklings106
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
IndyStarCraft 146
SortOf 144
ProTech134
Rex 90
LamboSC2 25
MindelVK 24
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 58778
Calm 2305
Bisu 2169
Shuttle 391
EffOrt 378
Hyuk 344
Mini 330
Aegong 278
BeSt 257
actioN 246
[ Show more ]
Last 223
Rush 220
ggaemo 182
Light 155
ZerO 129
Killer 127
ToSsGirL 96
Hyun 94
firebathero 88
Mind 77
Backho 64
Sea.KH 45
Free 44
HiyA 43
Shinee 39
Nal_rA 33
Barracks 28
Noble 21
GoRush 20
Hm[arnc] 17
yabsab 16
Movie 14
soO 13
IntoTheRainbow 12
Icarus 6
Dota 2
Gorgc5439
Counter-Strike
zeus611
x6flipin518
edward288
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King70
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor127
Other Games
gofns33151
singsing1687
B2W.Neo1102
Liquid`RaSZi843
XaKoH 434
RotterdaM336
DeMusliM312
QueenE28
ZerO(Twitch)22
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL1137
Other Games
BasetradeTV340
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH185
• HappyZerGling 93
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP62
• Adnapsc2 14
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis2361
• Jankos1730
• TFBlade1398
Upcoming Events
OSC
39m
BSL
6h 39m
Sterling vs Azhi_Dahaki
Napoleon vs Mazur
Jimin vs Nesh
spx vs Strudel
IPSL
6h 39m
Artosis vs TBD
Napoleon vs TBD
Replay Cast
20h 39m
Wardi Open
21h 39m
Afreeca Starleague
21h 39m
Soma vs YSC
Sharp vs sSak
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 3h
OSC
1d 11h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 21h
Snow vs PianO
hero vs Rain
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
1d 21h
[ Show More ]
GSL
1d 23h
Replay Cast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
3 days
Escore
4 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
5 days
IPSL
6 days
WolFix vs nOmaD
dxtr13 vs Razz
BSL
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W2
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W3
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
RSL Revival: Season 5
WardiTV TLMC #16
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.