EPT[IPL] IPL5 Discussion - Page 303
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Navi
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Goragoth
New Zealand1065 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On December 02 2012 16:39 Navi wrote: the defile is the issue. the damage actually doesn't get taken by most good teams (i.e. they know the don't fight over the dead karthus rule) but the fact that you cannot fight over the death karthus means that karthus has insane zone control - he dictates where the enemy team can and cannot go just by being there, allowing for extreme ease to maximize damage for your adc while making it a pain in the ass for the enemy's, etc. I agree entirely. But more importantly, to me, at least, is that killing defile (unlike killing Q farm or R) doesn't ruin Karthus's feel. Nerfing Karthus R would be like nerfing Maokai Sapling. It is not what makes him strong, but it is a defining and original part of his kit. | ||
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Craton
United States17274 Posts
Nerfing ult is definitely a needed aspect and would not affect his "feel." | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On December 02 2012 17:02 Craton wrote: You're confusing removing with nerfing. Nerfing ult is definitely a needed aspect and would not affect his "feel." It already has. Long ult timers is a bad design feature as well, because it increases the variance of engagements based on masteries that the opposing team cannot know. | ||
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Ziken
Ghana1743 Posts
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On December 02 2012 17:17 Ziken wrote: Hey guys, I wasnt able to watch all of yesterdays matches, I watched upto the first match between m5 and blaze. However I missed all the matches after that, any matches you would recommend? WE vs CLG.EU if you have some time :D | ||
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Ziken
Ghana1743 Posts
I did watch that one, basically what i missed was: + Show Spoiler + M5 vs Blaze TPA vs Curse.NA CLG.eu vs TPA CLG.na vs M5 amongst these, any really good ones? | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
holy shit ._. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9146 Posts
On December 02 2012 17:35 Ziken wrote: I did watch that one, basically what i missed was: + Show Spoiler + M5 vs Blaze TPA vs Curse.NA CLG.eu vs TPA CLG.na vs M5 amongst these, any really good ones? + Show Spoiler + I don't recommend TPA vs Crs at all, M5 vs Blaze and TPA vs EU were both good but not extraordinary. Didn't catch much of M5 vs NA. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
Though game 1 and game 2 aren't really worth watching, both just snowballed and the winning team just played cleanly until the end  | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On December 02 2012 19:14 Morfildur wrote: I just finished watching M5 vs AZB and M5 is really impressive at times. They don't seem to have one star player that wins or loses games like all the other teams but instead all do very well and all can carry the game. Though game 1 and game 2 aren't really worth watching, both just snowballed and the winning team just played cleanly until the end Only a few teams really have that anymore imo. And even then it's normally just one or two stand out players not one player who just carries them through. Like, CLGeu probably could've been called a team that Froggen carries six months ago. But anymore and it is very definitely a team effort. I mean, TPA and WE have stand out players on their team but their wins are still team efforts with everyone making plays. You could maybe say that CLGna gets carried by Doublelift and Chauster, I guess? But even in that example you have games where jiji can make some clutch plays and it's not like Hotshot or loco had horrific tournaments even if they had bad games. I dunno of the top six teams at this tournament only one of them (CLGna) could maybe be an example of a team with just one (or two) star players. You can't really get by anymore with just one standout player, you need your entire team to make good decisions to win games. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 02 2012 19:14 Morfildur wrote: I just finished watching M5 vs AZB and M5 is really impressive at times. They don't seem to have one star player that wins or loses games like all the other teams but instead all do very well and all can carry the game. Though game 1 and game 2 aren't really worth watching, both just snowballed and the winning team just played cleanly until the end I dunno man, Genja has seemed pretty iffy to me all tournament. If you really put the fate of the game in his hands, I don't think I'd trust him to carry. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
Not that the other three are bad although bot lane is probably M5's closest thing to a weak link. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Alex and Diamond are in contention for best in the world for their roles, and are guaranteed in the top 3 or 5. Darien, Genja, and Gosu aren't even remotely close. Darien is categorically outclassed by the top tier of Korean top lane play (as are most Western top laners) and Genja is categorically outclassed by Chinese bot lanes (as are most Western ADs). This is perfectly fine, as no team has players that are absolute top class in all roles. It's just obvious fanboying if you think M5 is somehow exceptional, because it's pretty clear that Alex and Diamond outclass their counterparts much more than Genja/Darien/Gosu do (and those 3 don't lag behind any less than the players on other teams). | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
I think they've got a great shot at taking this home, as I think they'll beat Fnatic and they'll be tough with the upper bracket advantage. | ||
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foxmeep
Australia2337 Posts
On December 02 2012 19:32 overt wrote: To be honest, M5 really only has two players that I'd consider world class. Alex Ich and Diamondprox. Darien, Genja, and Gosu aren't even the best players at their role in their own region and all three make some really questionable plays with inconsistent results from time to time. Alex and Diamond consistently perform well. Alex Ich is probably the best AP mid in EU (or he's at least part of the discussion). Diamond should probably be considered the best jungler or at least the second best in the world. Not that the other three are bad although bot lane is probably M5's closest thing to a weak link. I would say Diamondprox's Lee Sin is in strong contention for best jungler in the world, but his support junglers aren't overly impressive (though still very good). Alex Ich is probably the "star" of M5 though. There's a pretty clear trend that when M5 win, Alex Ich did well, and when they lose, Alex Ich did average/bad. The rest of the team are strong enough to often win their lane, and at the very least not be a constant liability (ie NoobShotGG). | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 02 2012 19:57 Roffles wrote: I've been really impressed with the vast improvement from WE. Caomei seems to be much more able to hold his own top lane, and I think the biggest improvement has been in the jungle play from ClearLove. He's been able to make more plays from the jungle and establish good map control without the amount of derpage we saw from him at S2 Champs. I think they've got a great shot at taking this home, as I think they'll beat Fnatic and they'll be tough with the upper bracket advantage. Caomei, hold his own? He practically carried his teams in quite a few number of games. I want to see WE vs TPA final. | ||
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