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Well, managed to make my way through the 130+ new pages of this thread since I was last at a computer, ouch. Some v.interesting results, and from the LR some fairly heartbreaking near misses - way too many VoDs to catch up with; here's hoping IPL5 will put out some highlight reels. Have the post-match roundtables (w/Scarra etc?) been informative?
Also, quoting this bit about farm-supression so I can find it when this thread moves on:
On December 02 2012 15:56 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 15:44 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
clg eu focuses, and usually does very well, with large objective controls, but fails to realize that farm is also a resource to be managed and focused on, since farm gets you more gold than anything else in the end...every 6 minutes, you'll see clg eu move very purposefully to contest a dragon, but in the interrim minutes, they tend not to look like they have a clear plan beyond 1. farm what you can 2. wait for someone to missposition 3. wait for next objective This also arguably contributes to why even their winning games get drawn out so long. There's that period of time where they've taken objectives, and have an advantage, but not one that's big enough to actually high ground--but they don't do well at really keeping up the pressure and suppressing the other team's farm, which is why it feels like they're just stalling at that point.
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I think WE for the first time ever in lol history can claim to have 5 players that can be argued to be top5 world.
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On December 02 2012 19:35 TheYango wrote:
Yeah, I'd agree with that.
Alex and Diamond are in contention for best in the world for their roles, and are guaranteed in the top 3 or 5. Darien, Genja, and Gosu aren't even remotely close. Darien is categorically outclassed by the top tier of Korean top lane play (as are most Western top laners) and Genja is categorically outclassed by Chinese bot lanes (as are most Western ADs).
This is perfectly fine, as no team has players that are absolute top class in all roles. It's just obvious fanboying if you think M5 is somehow exceptional, because it's pretty clear that Alex and Diamond outclass their counterparts much more than Genja/Darien/Gosu do (and those 3 don't lag behind any less than the players on other teams).
But, but Darien plays Xin, that has to count for something.
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On December 02 2012 20:15 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 19:57 Roffles wrote:
I've been really impressed with the vast improvement from WE. Caomei seems to be much more able to hold his own top lane, and I think the biggest improvement has been in the jungle play from ClearLove. He's been able to make more plays from the jungle and establish good map control without the amount of derpage we saw from him at S2 Champs.
I think they've got a great shot at taking this home, as I think they'll beat Fnatic and they'll be tough with the upper bracket advantage. Caomei, hold his own? He practically carried his teams in quite a few number of games. I want to see WE vs TPA final.
I have a bet with Neo that WE will finish higher than TPA at this event.
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On December 02 2012 21:45 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 20:15 wei2coolman wrote:On December 02 2012 19:57 Roffles wrote:
I've been really impressed with the vast improvement from WE. Caomei seems to be much more able to hold his own top lane, and I think the biggest improvement has been in the jungle play from ClearLove. He's been able to make more plays from the jungle and establish good map control without the amount of derpage we saw from him at S2 Champs.
I think they've got a great shot at taking this home, as I think they'll beat Fnatic and they'll be tough with the upper bracket advantage. Caomei, hold his own? He practically carried his teams in quite a few number of games. I want to see WE vs TPA final. I have a bet with Neo that WE will finish higher than TPA at this event.
Doesn't preclude a WE vs TPA final =p
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M5 won !!!! I left after the 2nd game, crushed by this 10-0 in favor of AZB. CLG.eu out but I guess losing vs TPA is not something you should be ashamed of.
It's funny how M5 evolved since their first appearance. At first I hated them because they were so cocky, like CLG.na but winning games, but now they are super manner, always smiling, and still winning some.
IPL 5 is showing that EU teams can compete against Asian teams.
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Is the finals bo7 or bo5 with one game advantage? Cause leaguepedia said the latter one.
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On December 02 2012 23:29 skykh wrote:
Is the finals bo7 or bo5 with one game advantage? Cause leaguepedia said the latter one.
Bo7 with a 2 game advantage I think
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On December 02 2012 23:29 skykh wrote:
Is the finals bo7 or bo5 with one game advantage? Cause leaguepedia said the latter one.
bo7 with 2 game advantage is what was comunicated to me.
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oh wow watching the rebroadcast right now with TPA vs Clg.eu where clg.eu got the first two kills and Froggen redbuff, thought to myself : " ahh so this is the game clg.eu won "
then realized clg has already won one game and they will throw this hard oO spoilering myself op
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On December 02 2012 23:37 AsnSensation wrote:
oh wow watching the rebroadcast right now with TPA vs Clg.eu where clg.eu got the first two kills and Froggen redbuff, thought to myself : " ahh so this is the game clg.eu won "
then realized clg has already won one game and they will throw this hard oO spoilering myself op
Keep an eye on caitlyn. Just do it.
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This prize pool is absurdly top heavy
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On December 02 2012 22:28 WhiteDog wrote:
M5 won !!!! I left after the 2nd game, crushed by this 10-0 in favor of AZB. CLG.eu out but I guess losing vs TPA is not something you should be ashamed of.
It's funny how M5 evolved since their first appearance. At first I hated them because they were so cocky, like CLG.na but winning games, but now they are super manner, always smiling, and still winning some.
IPL 5 is showing that EU teams can compete against Asian teams.
Yep, EU is definately strong, even before this or the S2 Finals. NA on the other hand still far away from Asian level. TSM is terrible at this IPL5, CLG.NA fair a bit better but honestly they got the easiest group, beating a hugely overrated Fear and Iceland doesnt mean that much.
All in all, I think WE has the best shot for the champion spot since staying in winner brackets give WE a huge advantage, they play less games than anyone coming from Loser brackets thus less chance of burnout, also the 2 games advantage in the final is gonna be huge.
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On December 02 2012 23:48 Caphe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 22:28 WhiteDog wrote:
M5 won !!!! I left after the 2nd game, crushed by this 10-0 in favor of AZB. CLG.eu out but I guess losing vs TPA is not something you should be ashamed of.
It's funny how M5 evolved since their first appearance. At first I hated them because they were so cocky, like CLG.na but winning games, but now they are super manner, always smiling, and still winning some.
IPL 5 is showing that EU teams can compete against Asian teams. Yep, EU is definately strong, even before this or the S2 Finals. NA on the other hand still far away from Asian level. TSM is terrible at this IPL5, CLG.NA fair a bit better but honestly they got the easiest group, beating a hugely overrated Fear and Iceland doesnt mean that much. All in all, I think WE has the best shot for the champion spot since staying in winner brackets give WE a huge advantage, they play less games than anyone coming from Loser brackets thus less chance of burnout, also the 2 games advantage in the final is gonna be huge.
this just made me realize how clg.na didnt have the chance to play against one of the stronger asian teams, wonder if it would have been a stomp or if they could have held their own like clg.eu, fnatic and M5 did.
Froggen's early game build on Anivia was totally WTH and Bebe with the Farmpants, 438 cs in 40minutes as ad carry wtf.
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On December 02 2012 23:55 AsnSensation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 23:48 Caphe wrote:On December 02 2012 22:28 WhiteDog wrote:
M5 won !!!! I left after the 2nd game, crushed by this 10-0 in favor of AZB. CLG.eu out but I guess losing vs TPA is not something you should be ashamed of.
It's funny how M5 evolved since their first appearance. At first I hated them because they were so cocky, like CLG.na but winning games, but now they are super manner, always smiling, and still winning some.
IPL 5 is showing that EU teams can compete against Asian teams. Yep, EU is definately strong, even before this or the S2 Finals. NA on the other hand still far away from Asian level. TSM is terrible at this IPL5, CLG.NA fair a bit better but honestly they got the easiest group, beating a hugely overrated Fear and Iceland doesnt mean that much. All in all, I think WE has the best shot for the champion spot since staying in winner brackets give WE a huge advantage, they play less games than anyone coming from Loser brackets thus less chance of burnout, also the 2 games advantage in the final is gonna be huge. this just made me realize how clg.na didnt have the chance to play against one of the stronger asian teams, wonder if it would have been a stomp or if they could have held their own like clg.eu, fnatic and M5 did. Froggen's early game build on Anivia was totally WTH and Bebe with the Farmpants, 438 cs in 40minutes as ad carry wtf.
Yeah. There was no excuse for CLG.EU losing that game after the way it started. That was depressing as a CLG fan.
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^pretty sure froggens shitty anivia build was partially the reason they lost that game (or atleast didnt manage to secure advantage to win before cait got too big with nunu buff)
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Bebe was the hero of the game. He kept on farming and farming and got OP as hell.
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On December 03 2012 00:15 valaki wrote:
Bebe was the hero of the game. He kept on farming and farming and got OP as hell.
Man he was scary as fk. He 3 shot Ez, 2 shot whoever the support was.
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It's a Bo5, not 7
And I wouldn't say clearlove is top 5. Wx and Fzzf def. Caomei might be and there are a ton of S tier APs
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O_O G3 so frustrating to watch, clg had a good lead again but threw it away with stupid mistakes by snoopeh and wickd, and Stanley+Bot just outperforming their counterparts. Also Why didn't wickd pick Irelia, who does relatively well against Rengar. Still not convinced about his rumble, he really has to learn Vlad.
lol Karthus Ult triple kill
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