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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/pressreleases/176575/Winners_Crowned_at_Major_League_Gaming_SummerChampionship.php edit: Sundance has some choice words against IPL Nice to see IPL editorial covering an MLG event. Newscorp fair and balanced coverage roots run deep. Editorial in question http://www.ign.com/ipl/all/news/mlg-ruling-on-collusion-dignitas-and-curse-sent-home-empty-handed/ | ||
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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
On August 28 2012 02:09 Plansix wrote: What does that have to do with anything? That was clearly an error, since black listing happens automatically if to many connections come from a single IP. It was a mistake(which happen in the real world) and Blizzard fixed it. All of that has nothing to do with the subject at hand, at all. I thought we were inviting random people from the SC2 Forums to tell jokes about competitive games they don't really know anything about, and how we were going to judge an entire scene over a single incident since his comment didn't have anything to do with the subject at hand at all. If random people from SC2 want to come here and trash talk, I have even more jokes about SC2. | ||
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amd098
Korea (North)1366 Posts
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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
On August 28 2012 02:26 nojitosunrise wrote: League of Legends results are omitted from MLG's press release on Raleigh. http://www.gamasutra.com/view/pressreleases/176575/Winners_Crowned_at_Major_League_Gaming_SummerChampionship.php edit: Sundance has some choice words against IPL https://twitter.com/MLGSundance/status/240141339004661760 Editorial in question http://www.ign.com/ipl/all/news/mlg-ruling-on-collusion-dignitas-and-curse-sent-home-empty-handed/ MLG has a history of not getting along with IPL. I'm somewhat not surprised. MLG and IPL already directly compete against each other for Korean Starcraft attendance too. IPL is now partnered with the GSL and will be hosting the GSL Ro8 and up. MLG partnered with KeSPA to get a hold over the non ESF/GOM group. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
S2 regionals are next week. both teams want to be super safe and not bust out any hidden strats. ARAM eliminates one game where they don't have to play conventional. competition-wise, the fans should know regionals are next week too. they know there's a trade-off between giving it your all now, or saving it. this is similar to games at the end of a sports season where they put subs in when they have a guaranteed bye in the first round and they don't want to injure their starters for the playoffs. sure, they could win the conference title, but they would disappoint their fans if they lost their star quarterback to an injury in a "meaningless" game. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On August 28 2012 03:24 kainzero wrote: i don't see what the big deal is with anything at this tournament. S2 regionals are next week. both teams want to be super safe and not bust out any hidden strats. ARAM eliminates one game where they don't have to play conventional. competition-wise, the fans should know regionals are next week too. they know there's a trade-off between giving it your all now, or saving it. this is similar to games at the end of a sports season where they put subs in when they have a guaranteed bye in the first round and they don't want to injure their starters for the playoffs. sure, they could win the conference title, but they would disappoint their fans if they lost their star quarterback to an injury in a "meaningless" game. except that this end of season game also had $8000 on the line, so it's hard to argue that it's really "meaningless." It was also the finals of a pretty large tournament. | ||
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corpuscle
United States1967 Posts
On August 28 2012 03:24 kainzero wrote: i don't see what the big deal is with anything at this tournament. S2 regionals are next week. both teams want to be super safe and not bust out any hidden strats. ARAM eliminates one game where they don't have to play conventional. competition-wise, the fans should know regionals are next week too. they know there's a trade-off between giving it your all now, or saving it. this is similar to games at the end of a sports season where they put subs in when they have a guaranteed bye in the first round and they don't want to injure their starters for the playoffs. sure, they could win the conference title, but they would disappoint their fans if they lost their star quarterback to an injury in a "meaningless" game. I've never seen a team not take it seriously towards the end of the season during "meaningless" games. Yes, they play their backups, and maybe hide some plays and strategies that they don't want studied for the playoffs, but those backups still try their absolute hardest to win. Play old strategies so that people don't get new info on you, fine, but playing an ARAM is just stupid and kind of offensive (and, if, as I believe, they were colluding, it's more proof of that, since they clearly had to talk and plan it ahead of time). | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On August 28 2012 03:30 corpuscle wrote: I've never seen a team not take it seriously towards the end of the season during "meaningless" games. Yes, they play their backups, and maybe hide some plays and strategies that they don't want studied for the playoffs, but those backups still try their absolute hardest to win. Play old strategies so that people don't get new info on you, fine, but playing an ARAM is just stupid and kind of offensive (and, if, as I believe, they were colluding, it's more proof of that, since they clearly had to talk and plan it ahead of time). So, if Curse had brought in 5 2k + ELO players from the audience as subs (telling them they would get the 8k bonus for winning if they beat Dig) and then those players tried their hardest in the finals you would have been less disappointed? I think not. | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
ARAM is fun and shit, but if they wanted to be good to the fans they could have played like a 2000$ aram showmatch after MLG if thats what they wanted to do... | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On August 28 2012 03:24 kainzero wrote: this is similar to games at the end of a sports season where they put subs in when they have a guaranteed bye in the first round and they don't want to injure their starters for the playoffs. sure, they could win the conference title, but they would disappoint their fans if they lost their star quarterback to an injury in a "meaningless" game. The subs still play the same sport with the same rules and everything. They don't do a slam dunk contest in the first half or a home run derby the first 3 innings of a game. ARAM isn't LoL in its true form, so the analogy doesn't ring true. | ||
JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
On August 28 2012 03:34 cLutZ wrote: So, if Curse had brought in 5 2k + ELO players from the audience as subs (telling them they would get the 8k bonus for winning if they beat Dig) and then those players tried their hardest in the finals you would have been less disappointed? I think not. This could be possible if Curse didn't have to lock down their lineup of 5 for the event. If their team was big enough for 10 players to play in one team, no one would have a problem. Obviously no one is going to make a 10 man team just to hide strats....that would just be throwing money away (if they are salaried). | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On August 28 2012 03:36 Canucklehead wrote: The subs still play the same sport with the same rules and everything. They don't do a slam dunk contest in the first half or a home run derby the first 3 innings of a game. ARAM isn't LoL in its true form, so the analogy doesn't ring true. See, but people don't want to discuss the true analogy which is what I talked about just a few posts back: On August 28 2012 03:34 cLutZ wrote: So, if Curse had brought in 5 2k + ELO players from the audience as subs (telling them they would get the 8k bonus for winning if they beat Dig) and then those players tried their hardest in the finals you would have been less disappointed? I think not. Because the fact is that that would have been even more ridiculous. Better to watch SaintV troll than me tryhard. Edit. On August 28 2012 03:44 JBright wrote: This could be possible if Curse didn't have to lock down their lineup of 5 for the event. If their team was big enough for 10 players to play in one team, no one would have a problem. Obviously no one is going to make a 10 man team just to hide strats....that would just be throwing money away (if they are salaried). But that is just an artifact of MLG's ruleset which is obviously the main culprit in this entire situation. Crumbz and Cop could have just taken Ipecap and thrown up all over and it would have served the same purpose, except the fans wouldn't have gotten to watch 5 fun games. 2nd Edit. My point being, you cannot use MLG's arbitrary rules to justify discrediting an abstract analogy. You must argue from principles. | ||
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Highwayman
United States181 Posts
On August 28 2012 02:26 nojitosunrise wrote: League of Legends results are omitted from MLG's press release on Raleigh. http://www.gamasutra.com/view/pressreleases/176575/Winners_Crowned_at_Major_League_Gaming_SummerChampionship.php edit: Sundance has some choice words against IPL https://twitter.com/MLGSundance/status/240141339004661760 Editorial in question http://www.ign.com/ipl/all/news/mlg-ruling-on-collusion-dignitas-and-curse-sent-home-empty-handed/ What does Sundance have a problem with? I don't see any bold or inaccurate statements there. Please enlighten me. That seems highly defensive for a response to a pretty benign editorial. Maybe he thinks posting the Curse apology and clarification videos in it is biased? | ||
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BlueSpace
Germany2182 Posts
On August 28 2012 03:24 kainzero wrote: i don't see what the big deal is with anything at this tournament. S2 regionals are next week. both teams want to be super safe and not bust out any hidden strats. ARAM eliminates one game where they don't have to play conventional. competition-wise, the fans should know regionals are next week too. they know there's a trade-off between giving it your all now, or saving it. this is similar to games at the end of a sports season where they put subs in when they have a guaranteed bye in the first round and they don't want to injure their starters for the playoffs. sure, they could win the conference title, but they would disappoint their fans if they lost their star quarterback to an injury in a "meaningless" game. The ARAM in itself isn't the problem. The problem is that they coordinated themselfes/collude (whatever you want to call it) with the enemy team and furthermore agreed to a set of unsanctioned rules. The correct analogy would be if both teams would have played sub-optimal strategies while still giving it their best. Also these subs actually get a chance to prove themselves as well as play in a real game which allows the coach to better evaluate those people. They are usually highly motivated. This is their chance outside of practice to prove/promote themselves. I've seen this analogy frequently in the SC2 forum part and it is extremely poor, but it just keeps on poping up. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
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JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
On August 28 2012 03:44 cLutZ wrote: See, but people don't want to discuss the true analogy which is what I talked about just a few posts back: Because the fact is that that would have been even more ridiculous. Better to watch SaintV troll than me tryhard. Edit. But that is just an artifact of MLG's ruleset which is obviously the main culprit in this entire situation. Crumbz and Cop could have just taken Ipecap and thrown up all over and it would have served the same purpose, except the fans wouldn't have gotten to watch 5 fun games. 2nd Edit. My point being, you cannot use MLG's arbitrary rules to justify discrediting an abstract analogy. You must argue from principles. I don't see it as an arbitrary rule. Every sport requires teams to lock down their roster (including subs) for the matches so they can't just pick up a ringer to play for them. I am sure that Riot will have the teams lock down 5/6 players for PAX and the World Championships. If the players would rather pretend they cannot play just so they can hide strats, then they may as well take the forfeit for not having enough players on the field. | ||
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
On August 28 2012 03:57 Highwayman wrote: What does Sundance have a problem with? I don't see any bold or inaccurate statements there. Please enlighten me. That seems highly defensive for a response to a pretty benign editorial. Maybe he thinks posting the Curse apology and clarification videos in it is biased? That's the only thing that makes sense to me. I don't think we will ever know unless MLG/RIot release a better statement. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On August 28 2012 04:01 JBright wrote: I don't see it as an arbitrary rule. Every sport requires teams to lock down their roster (including subs) for the matches so you can't just pick up a ringer to play for you. I am sure that the teams will have to lock down 5/6 players for PAX and the World Championships. If the players would rather pretend they cannot play just so they can hide strats, then they may as well take the forfeit for not having enough players on the field. In all prof sports your locked-in-lineup is easily 2x as large as your starting lineup. MLG doesn't allow more because like 1/2 their teams are too poor for this and it would be a pretty substantial advantage. See Curse beinig gassed vs. TSM at IPL San Fran. Edit. So basically, what you are really advocating is less professionalism because it is mandated by MLG rules that are anti-competitive in nature to begin with. | ||
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HPoirot
United States1303 Posts
On August 28 2012 04:02 nojitosunrise wrote: That's the only thing that makes sense to me. I don't think we will ever know unless MLG/RIot release a better statement. That's what I thought too. Problem is that not including Curse's side of things and only presenting MLG/Riot's rather confusing set of statements would be just as biased. sigh. I miss old Sundance. Dude gets more defensive and stressed every event. | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
However, collusion and pot splitting are not acceptable at all. | ||
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