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Lunko
Slovenia72 Posts
On October 04 2011 16:51 tissue wrote: Great ward coverage and tanking winning the game for SK. No ward sweeping at all. You cant be a great support, if your not getting a passive gold from towers dragons assistsetc etc. Which is exacly why "great ward coverage was there". No towers down from CLG, means elements was barely able to get wards and oracle was just out of reach for him | ||
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Gooey
United States944 Posts
On October 04 2011 16:59 overt wrote: Yeh, it wasn't just about Caitlyn. SK outplayed CLG hard. But Chauster, imo, isn't confident on Kog. Meaning if SK bans Urgot and runs Caitlyn they have a guaranteed win on bottom lane. CLG needs to either take the Caitlyn or they need to ban her so they can actually play a bottom lane. As for other picks/bans, I can't say much cause if CLG keeps playing like this and SK doesn't let up it'll be an easy 2-0 for SK. You said that earlier about Chauster not being comfortable on a Kog'Ma. Why on earth would a tournament player, who's roll is range AD carry, that travels around the world the major prestigious tournaments, not take the time to get comfortable on one of the best range AD champions in the game? That just sounds like stubbornness. You would think a professional would take the time to get comfortable on such a champion to provide his team with the best chance to win. | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
On October 04 2011 17:00 Drekor wrote: No it's right... when you pick Zilean you need another champ that is such a monster that you can't ignore it. If they had picked Vayne or Kog(they banned kog  ) they would have had this. Also the taric pick was horrible. Taric is just an awful champion outside laning phase and Ashe is not a good early game champ compared to cait. If they did Sona/Vayne they would have done considerably better.they traded utility for damage on multiple champions they either needed someone powerful like kog (best choice but apparently banned) or caitlyn themselves especially since ocelote doesn't even play zilean if clg was first pick they prob could have waited on that pick for caitlyn instead esp since they ran taric | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 04 2011 17:00 Drekor wrote: No it's right... when you pick Zilean you need another champ that is such a monster that you can't ignore it. If they had picked Vayne or Kog(they banned kog ) they would have had this. Also the taric pick was horrible. Taric is just an awful champion outside laning phase and Ashe is not a good early game champ compared to cait. If they did Sona/Vayne they would have done considerably better.Again, no champ is a "monster" by nature of being picked. A champ is hard to ignore when they're farmed, and ignorable when they aren't. I can think of absolutely zero carries that aren't ignorable when underfed. Kog and Vayne scale out super well late-game, but honestly, CLG was in dire straits way before that would ever have become a factor. | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
On October 04 2011 17:02 Gooey wrote: You said that earlier about Chauster not being comfortable on a Kog'Ma. Why on earth would a tournament player, who's roll is range AD carry, that travels around the world the major prestigious tournaments, not take the time to get comfortable on one of the best range AD champions in the game? That just sounds like stubbornness. You would think a professional would take the time to get comfortable on such a champion to provide his team with the best chance to win. kog was banned | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On October 04 2011 16:58 Ryuu314 wrote: To be fair, SK played a quite lackluster during group stage and haven't been playing too well lately. But this game really showed that they're still definitely a top team to watch out for. Dont get where this "haven't been playing too well lately" comes from. Thats exactly the bandwagon I was talking about. They have been doing pretty well since gamescom (since they have their new lineup). Have won go4sc2 monthly and all IEM qualifiers, clearly dominating in europe. | ||
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DreXxiN
United States494 Posts
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SHr3DD3r
Pakistan2137 Posts
And SK's positioning was very good with irelia in front almost always to eat the arrows. | ||
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DanielZKlein
United States1171 Posts
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BlueFlames
Germany1756 Posts
On October 04 2011 17:03 Redox wrote: Dont get where this "haven't been playing too well lately" comes from. Thats exactly the bandwagon I was talking about. They have been doing pretty well since gamescom (since they have their new lineup). Have won go4sc2 monthly and all IEM qualifiers, clearly dominating in europe. I dont get it either. Even in training against EU top teams, depending on their mood, they can just beat or even destroy everyone. So yeah, they have not been doing badly at all. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
CLG banned kog after SK banned urgot (and SK had 1st pick). So it's their fault. It's ridiculous Chauster won't play Kog. | ||
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On October 04 2011 17:04 DanielZKlein wrote: Wickd ate EVERY SINGLE ARROW. There was ONE on Caitlyn I think that they could never follow up. Just GREAT play from SK. Cass also had free reign because jiji died to that initial amumu gank and got caught again a couple more times by amumu. | ||
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-Kato-
Spain1146 Posts
On October 04 2011 17:01 toastymow wrote: DAT MUSIK DANZA KUDURO!! SK playing really really well. And that Amumu+Cass ult was cool to see, infinite damages jiji would say. Hope CLG picks it up! | ||
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Gooey
United States944 Posts
That was the issue I brought up earlier during picks. Kog is only champion that can go toe to toe with caitlyn in the lane, and CLG were the ones who banned him, knowing full well they didn't have first pick. SK were smart enough to realize that CLG, for god knows what reason, banned one of the two key ranged AD champions in the game. I don't think there are two more powerful range AD champs to control the early and mid game in the lane than a cait or kog. If you ban one, you have to ban the other. That was just irresponsible planning to ban a kog'ma and leave cait open. Their logic was to bait a caitlyn and steal the taric, but taric does not combo well with any other range AD champ that fits the bottom lane roll other than cait. Urgot can potentially handle cait, but they banned her as well. | ||
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
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Lunko
Slovenia72 Posts
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JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
On October 04 2011 17:05 Sandster wrote: CLG banned kog after SK banned urgot (and SK had 1st pick). So it's their fault. It's ridiculous Chauster won't play Kog. Do you remember the rest of the bans? I missed them and want to put them in the OP | ||
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toastymow
United States254 Posts
edit: Chauster is an amazing Ashe 90% of the time. Everyone else, look at their picks: Hotshot on Cho, Jiji on Zil, the only pick that didn't make sense was Taric, and I think that was a counterpick to prevent the obvious Taric+Cait combo. But what happened was what happens a lot on NA teams: no damage. They needed Jiji to run a AP carry with mega dps, not Zilean. The ashe pick was fine, but a lane dominant mage would have really done good this game. The 2nd thing that went wrong was Chogath not winning his lane. He lost that lane really hard, all things considered. I'm not familiar enough with Irelia to find a good counterpick to her, so I almost suggest just banning Irelia. @Chauster not playing Kog'Maw: Yeah, its true. But who cares? He can play MF, Urgot, Caitlyn, Ashe, Vayne. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
-Wickd bought Wits end AND boots at first back, got red and just raped hotshot out of lane. -CLG seemed a bit thrown off by the tank playstyle of Irelia of just sitting there and hitting hotshot with attack speed enhanced level 5 hiten style on chogath saying "come at me bro" to ashe and zilean. The large majority of irelia players get a fast trinity and hard engage onto a squishy which is harder to pull off in organized play since ashe can just arrow after wickd goes in to hold off cass/cait and focus him fast, especially when amumu isn't a big deterence to hitting a not that tanky irelia. He also got cdr from shurelyas before atmas because he wants to spam his W and E more. Hotshot likes to get farmed and just run in and go for their AD carry while everyone is ignoring him because he's so tanky, SK shut that down and they weren't able to punish the focus on the sitting duck hotshot because of the massive threat of amumu+irelia going in. The frozen mallet perma slow and E means hotshot has to flash out all the time. Zilean definitely felt like the weakpoint. Not threat to casseopia on their team. Ashe was zoned out, chogath was getting focused. Lee sin is highly overrated and couldn't really pull much off in teamfights as long as the squishies stay protected. Also SK getting the imba Cass with no bursters. Hurr. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
I bet on irelia / alistar / kogmaw bans. Possibly cass over alistar. | ||
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