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Lunko
Profile Joined October 2011
Slovenia72 Posts
October 04 2011 08:09 GMT
#1861
@toastymow - Chogath was winning his lane, until he went "bot gank with teleport 3 times" where Wicked caught up. Pointless TPs and even with all 5 players being bot they didnt even do dragon.

And like I said Elementz as support being usless cause CLG didnt get towers/dragons and even what only a couple of kills. Compared to Nyph that got 3-4kgold just from dragons towers assists alone, ofc SK had everything warded
Trololo
toastymow
Profile Joined October 2011
United States254 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 08:11:35
October 04 2011 08:10 GMT
#1862
@Wickd: If they didn't realize that Wickd would build Irelia tank then CLG derped pretty hard. The one thing you can rely on with Wickd is he will build tank.

edit: Hotshot still lost his lane then. Lol bad tps are bad tps.
freakeh
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom314 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 08:16:55
October 04 2011 08:11 GMT
#1863
Bans -
CLG :
Cassi - Caitlyn - Galio
SK : Nidalee - Urgot - Kog'maw

Picks -
CLG
: Orianna - Janna - Udyr - Ezreal - Chogath
SK : Gangplank - Taric - Tristana - Irelia - Akali
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 04 2011 08:11 GMT
#1864
On October 04 2011 17:06 toastymow wrote:
But what happened was what happens a lot on NA teams: no damage. They needed Jiji to run a AP carry with mega dps, not Zilean. The ashe pick was fine, but a lane dominant mage would have really done good this game.

Honestly, when you have Rod+Boots1+DRing when the enemy AP carry has Sorcs+Rod+Blasting Wand+Amp Tome, any AP carry is going to look like they don't have enough damage.
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Lunko
Profile Joined October 2011
Slovenia72 Posts
October 04 2011 08:11 GMT
#1865
Force Wickd to play trundle, win easy.
Trololo
toastymow
Profile Joined October 2011
United States254 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 08:13:13
October 04 2011 08:12 GMT
#1866
LOL Oce bans Kog

Edit WTF ORIANNA ON JIJI

Imma gonna say it: CLG is winning this. :D
JRylez
Profile Joined October 2011
United States18 Posts
October 04 2011 08:12 GMT
#1867
ban galio over irelia? idk much but i do believe wicked on irelia is very dangerous
Gooey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States944 Posts
October 04 2011 08:12 GMT
#1868
See, SK is smart banning out the Kog'Ma when caitlyn is banned. They know what's up
www.twitch.tv/Thatgooey
Minibossi
Profile Joined April 2011
United States6 Posts
October 04 2011 08:14 GMT
#1869
On October 04 2011 17:11 Lunko wrote:
Force Wickd to play trundle, win easy.

LOL!
toastymow
Profile Joined October 2011
United States254 Posts
October 04 2011 08:15 GMT
#1870
Udyr... hmm...
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
October 04 2011 08:15 GMT
#1871
On October 04 2011 17:07 Slayer91 wrote:
Just a few things to point out from Irelia's perspective:

-Wickd bought Wits end AND boots at first back, got red and just raped hotshot out of lane.
-CLG seemed a bit thrown off by the tank playstyle of Irelia of just sitting there and hitting hotshot with attack speed enhanced level 5 hiten style on chogath saying "come at me bro" to ashe and zilean. The large majority of irelia players get a fast trinity and hard engage onto a squishy which is harder to pull off in organized play since ashe can just arrow after wickd goes in to hold off cass/cait and focus him fast, especially when amumu isn't a big deterence to hitting a not that tanky irelia. He also got cdr from shurelyas before atmas because he wants to spam his W and E more.

Hotshot likes to get farmed and just run in and go for their AD carry while everyone is ignoring him because he's so tanky, SK shut that down and they weren't able to punish the focus on the sitting duck hotshot because of the massive threat of amumu+irelia going in. The frozen mallet perma slow and E means hotshot has to flash out all the time.

Zilean definitely felt like the weakpoint. Not threat to casseopia on their team. Ashe was zoned out, chogath was getting focused. Lee sin is highly overrated and couldn't really pull much off in teamfights as long as the squishies stay protected.

Also SK getting the imba Cass with no bursters. Hurr.

I wouldn't call Lee overrated. He's super strong, but the problem was that CLG couldn't take advantage of Lee Sin's amazing ganks 'cause Nyph/Candy lane is just too damn strong. Wickd was just raping Cho pretty hard for the vast majority of laning and Hotshot was too far behind/low for Saint's ganks to succeed. Jiji got behind after getting killed by Amumu gank and it just snowballed from there. Lee's damage is strong, but only if he gets items. Without items he can't abuse his insane scaling.

I agree w/ the rest tho.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 08:20:18
October 04 2011 08:15 GMT
#1872
On October 04 2011 17:02 Gooey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 16:59 overt wrote:
On October 04 2011 16:57 Redox wrote:
On October 04 2011 16:53 overt wrote:
So next game CLG might want to consider banning Caitlyn or first picking her if given the chance. Give yourself some real options bot lane.

I dunno what else for bans/picks. They're just playing really poorly and SK is punishing them hard.

Well its not like just Caitlyn was dominating them. Sk won basially all lanes.

I am quite happy about this because of all the trash talking Sk and especially Wickd received. Just sad when people bandwagon and talk cluelessly.


Yeh, it wasn't just about Caitlyn. SK outplayed CLG hard.

But Chauster, imo, isn't confident on Kog. Meaning if SK bans Urgot and runs Caitlyn they have a guaranteed win on bottom lane. CLG needs to either take the Caitlyn or they need to ban her so they can actually play a bottom lane.

As for other picks/bans, I can't say much cause if CLG keeps playing like this and SK doesn't let up it'll be an easy 2-0 for SK.


You said that earlier about Chauster not being comfortable on a Kog'Ma. Why on earth would a tournament player, who's roll is range AD carry, that travels around the world the major prestigious tournaments, not take the time to get comfortable on one of the best range AD champions in the game? That just sounds like stubbornness. You would think a professional would take the time to get comfortable on such a champion to provide his team with the best chance to win.


I agree fully that he should learn Kog.

I can't tell if you're agreeing with me or questioning me. I'm not just basing this off nothing though, I promise! After IEM Cologne when Kog was picked/banned in like every game after bigfatjiji played him Chauster was streaming and bought Kog on the WiseQuoter account saying something like, "I should probably practice him..." Combined with the fact that I don't think Chauster has ever played Kog in a tournament game once. There have been plenty of games just in this tournament alone where it made more sense for CLG to pick up Kog and if I can realize this as a scrub I'm sure CLG realizes it.

Regardless, it looks like CLG was smart enough to ban Caitlyn this game. Not sure why SK banned Kog though lol.

edit:
@someone who tried to downplay Chauster not playing Kog and mention what all he can play...

That's all good and well but Kog'Maw is probably top 3-4 AD carries atm. Chauster NEEDS to learn Kog'Maw or else they need to be willing to let Chauster run AP and jiji run Kog when the need happens. Chauster's Brand is pretty fucking good so it could work. I'm probably the biggest Chauster fanboy ever, I love that guy, but the fact that he doesn't play Kog is stupid. He needs to just grind out a bunch of Kog'Maw games after this tournament.
oooo27
Profile Joined October 2010
342 Posts
October 04 2011 08:15 GMT
#1873
isnt Nyph taric??
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
October 04 2011 08:16 GMT
#1874
Haha I like how Zenon says he doesn't mind if CLG wins this. So generous of him. I actually like the bias though cause it makes the games more hyped and interesting (as long as you take the casters with grain of salt).
1oo
Profile Joined April 2011
Portugal876 Posts
October 04 2011 08:16 GMT
#1875
hes eating him under the table? that sounded so wrong xd
At the top of the game, we play by diferent rules.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
October 04 2011 08:16 GMT
#1876
Bans (in order) :
SK : Nidalee
CLG : Cait
SK : Urgot
CLG : Galio
SK : Kog

Missed the first ban.

Lineup :
CLG : Orianna Janna Udyr Ezreal Cho
SK : GP Taric Tristana Irelia Akali
The legend of Darien lives on
oooo27
Profile Joined October 2010
342 Posts
October 04 2011 08:17 GMT
#1877
YEAH AKALI!!!!
-Kato-
Profile Joined June 2010
Spain1146 Posts
October 04 2011 08:17 GMT
#1878
Oce balls of steel. How does Akali work vs Orianna?
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
October 04 2011 08:18 GMT
#1879
haha "i am playing akali or im not playing"

what a boss; gotta remember that one for solo queue
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23442 Posts
October 04 2011 08:18 GMT
#1880
On October 04 2011 17:15 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 17:07 Slayer91 wrote:
Just a few things to point out from Irelia's perspective:

-Wickd bought Wits end AND boots at first back, got red and just raped hotshot out of lane.
-CLG seemed a bit thrown off by the tank playstyle of Irelia of just sitting there and hitting hotshot with attack speed enhanced level 5 hiten style on chogath saying "come at me bro" to ashe and zilean. The large majority of irelia players get a fast trinity and hard engage onto a squishy which is harder to pull off in organized play since ashe can just arrow after wickd goes in to hold off cass/cait and focus him fast, especially when amumu isn't a big deterence to hitting a not that tanky irelia. He also got cdr from shurelyas before atmas because he wants to spam his W and E more.

Hotshot likes to get farmed and just run in and go for their AD carry while everyone is ignoring him because he's so tanky, SK shut that down and they weren't able to punish the focus on the sitting duck hotshot because of the massive threat of amumu+irelia going in. The frozen mallet perma slow and E means hotshot has to flash out all the time.

Zilean definitely felt like the weakpoint. Not threat to casseopia on their team. Ashe was zoned out, chogath was getting focused. Lee sin is highly overrated and couldn't really pull much off in teamfights as long as the squishies stay protected.

Also SK getting the imba Cass with no bursters. Hurr.

I wouldn't call Lee overrated. He's super strong, but the problem was that CLG couldn't take advantage of Lee Sin's amazing ganks 'cause Nyph/Candy lane is just too damn strong. Wickd was just raping Cho pretty hard for the vast majority of laning and Hotshot was too far behind/low for Saint's ganks to succeed. Jiji got behind after getting killed by Amumu gank and it just snowballed from there. Lee's damage is strong, but only if he gets items. Without items he can't abuse his insane scaling.

I agree w/ the rest tho.


Lee sin ganks are pretty strong I meant his teamfighting. Still amumu is better for ganking a mid lane.
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