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GrandInquisitor
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On September 04 2015 04:41 Goumindong wrote:
People really underestimate the effect of lifesteal (early or late) in keeping you healthy and active in the map. The lifesteal on Botrk means that Jax can go farm the jungle without taking damage. It means he can sustain in lane better than any tank item so long as he has time on the wave. It means that he can trade aggressively to shove another person out and then continue to push instead of backing.
Many bruisers have some innate sustain like garen or renekton or nasus and so they don't need lifesteal to stay in lane after a trade. But for the champions that don't they need some form of it if they aren't going to be chugging pots all day long. A wave has about 2335+50 HP/ minute. So if you only do half the waves HP in lifesteal possible damage and you have 10% lifesteal you get about a potion per wave. Both of those should be low for someone who can hard push like Jax. And well it adds up
I mean, those are all super nice things, but what is the opportunity cost? Can you get enough of that effect off of two Doran's Blades instead, and get Titanic Hydra's AA reset / waveclear several thousand gold earlier?
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Just started playing again after ages and ages - I think around 2 years. The game now looks incredible, the jungle is crazy, and it feels like half the point and click abilities have become skillshots (this is probably an exaggeration).
What are good runes these days? Am I still ok going with flat armour and scaling magic resist on everyone? Every thread on the subject seems to be really old...
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On September 04 2015 21:26 Tal wrote:
Just started playing again after ages and ages - I think around 2 years. The game now looks incredible, the jungle is crazy, and it feels like half the point and click abilities have become skillshots (this is probably an exaggeration).
What are good runes these days? Am I still ok going with flat armour and scaling magic resist on everyone? Every thread on the subject seems to be really old...
yeah u are
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On September 04 2015 21:26 Tal wrote:
Just started playing again after ages and ages - I think around 2 years. The game now looks incredible, the jungle is crazy, and it feels like half the point and click abilities have become skillshots (this is probably an exaggeration).
What are good runes these days? Am I still ok going with flat armour and scaling magic resist on everyone? Every thread on the subject seems to be really old...
If it's been two years, scaling MR was buffed at some point to break even with flat MR at around level 8. Scaling MR isn't the most popular MR option. Anyway rune choice hasn't changed much. ADCs take Attack Speed quints now, but it's not a huge deal if you just use flat damage. Lifesteal quints were nerfed at some point and are considered useless. We recently had a rather in depth discussion about runes here:
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-strategy/397874-simple-questions-simple-answers?page=64#1266
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On September 04 2015 21:26 Tal wrote:
Just started playing again after ages and ages - I think around 2 years. The game now looks incredible, the jungle is crazy, and it feels like half the point and click abilities have become skillshots (this is probably an exaggeration).
What are good runes these days? Am I still ok going with flat armour and scaling magic resist on everyone? Every thread on the subject seems to be really old...
Yeah it's still pretty ok. You can check out probuilds.net for the runes of pro players.
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Who is a good top to pick into Fiora? I feel like she's really scary if she gets kills in lane, but not if you shut her down. But I feel like everyone I pick just gets bodied by her.
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On September 04 2015 22:52 Requizen wrote:
Who is a good top to pick into Fiora? I feel like she's really scary if she gets kills in lane, but not if you shut her down. But I feel like everyone I pick just gets bodied by her.
Garen does well I think.
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On September 04 2015 22:54 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2015 22:52 Requizen wrote:
Who is a good top to pick into Fiora? I feel like she's really scary if she gets kills in lane, but not if you shut her down. But I feel like everyone I pick just gets bodied by her. from my experience even a shit trundle takes a dump on her I usually just play shen and just have more influence on the other side of the map while being tanky enough to not get rekt by her. haven't had much issues with this matchup.
Find shen to be a pretty easy matchup for her. He hardly applies pressure then you just have to try match his TPs and do so much more because you gotten so much more or just bully down his tower then solo kill him if he ever tries to push out the lane.
Sion on the other hand is a decent tank. His waveclear early is really annoying to deal with and he has tons of utility to back it up. So if you want a tank try that out.
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On September 04 2015 22:54 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2015 22:52 Requizen wrote:
Who is a good top to pick into Fiora? I feel like she's really scary if she gets kills in lane, but not if you shut her down. But I feel like everyone I pick just gets bodied by her. from my experience even a shit trundle takes a dump on her I usually just play shen and just have more influence on the other side of the map while being tanky enough to not get rekt by her. haven't had much issues with this matchup.
I haven't played Trundle in some time, maybe I'll bring him up there. The sustain is pretty real.
On September 04 2015 22:56 Ansibled wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2015 22:52 Requizen wrote:
Who is a good top to pick into Fiora? I feel like she's really scary if she gets kills in lane, but not if you shut her down. But I feel like everyone I pick just gets bodied by her. Garen does well I think.
Too bad he's banned every game in Silver 
On September 04 2015 23:04 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2015 22:54 krndandaman wrote:On September 04 2015 22:52 Requizen wrote:
Who is a good top to pick into Fiora? I feel like she's really scary if she gets kills in lane, but not if you shut her down. But I feel like everyone I pick just gets bodied by her. from my experience even a shit trundle takes a dump on her I usually just play shen and just have more influence on the other side of the map while being tanky enough to not get rekt by her. haven't had much issues with this matchup. Find shen to be a pretty easy matchup for her. He hardly applies pressure then you just have to try match his TPs and do so much more because you gotten so much more or just bully down his tower then solo kill him if he ever tries to push out the lane. Sion on the other hand is a decent tank. His waveclear early is really annoying to deal with and he has tons of utility to back it up. So if you want a tank try that out.
I actually haven't even played Sion since the rework. He seems pretty solid though.
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Fiora has such big outplay potential that I'm not sure there's any real "counter lane" you can do. Best is to go even and try make her life really hard by just pressuring I think. Even Garen I've found to be alright matchup, sure he pushes really hard and does a lot of dick stuff but if you just time your stuff right you can kill him like you kill anyone lol.
Pushing waves then impacting other places is pretty good. If you want to contest her in a fight then be prepared to try outplay her because otherwise you on the back foot the majority of the time. Trundle sounds pretty good for that, she can't really stick on him. Sion is similar in huge body with lots of utility and if you time ulti you can get away.
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I've heard Rumble is good but I haven't tried/seen it.
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Freaking rumble. Always forget about him. Sounds like he can do well, I've never seen it myself.
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I'm seriously considering just making a full armor page just to deal with her when I get the matchup. I don't mind losing lane, but it does suck that she just ends up snowballing super hard and rolling the rest of the team singlehandedly.
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On September 04 2015 23:21 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2015 23:04 Numy wrote:On September 04 2015 22:54 krndandaman wrote:On September 04 2015 22:52 Requizen wrote:
Who is a good top to pick into Fiora? I feel like she's really scary if she gets kills in lane, but not if you shut her down. But I feel like everyone I pick just gets bodied by her. from my experience even a shit trundle takes a dump on her I usually just play shen and just have more influence on the other side of the map while being tanky enough to not get rekt by her. haven't had much issues with this matchup. Find shen to be a pretty easy matchup for her. He hardly applies pressure then you just have to try match his TPs and do so much more because you gotten so much more or just bully down his tower then solo kill him if he ever tries to push out the lane. Sion on the other hand is a decent tank. His waveclear early is really annoying to deal with and he has tons of utility to back it up. So if you want a tank try that out. idk I've never felt pressured by a fiora and I feel that the onus to apply pressure is on the fiora, not shen. I've never felt even remotely in danger by a fiora besides ganks and often am able to have kill potential or even kill fioras. I've also played this matchup several times with my fiora lover friend and he said he absolutely could not do shit to me (won lane every time or just stayed even). we played out several matchups to see what was good and I found shen to be the best (even without an ult in 1v1). then again, I only tested rumble, maokai, gnar, renekton, and shen with him. in 5v5 all I have to do is just give a shield along with my ports and then TP back to tower if needed to apply more pressure whereas fiora just has 1 tp and can't push me out of lane.
I found with hydra alone can outpush shen and just kill him 1v1 with ulti up pretty easily. Maybe all the shens I played were trash though. Early on in the lane shen feels pretty good but as soon as that one item timing hits it seems to turn. Then again this is only upper gold and not diamond.
edit: What kind of shen build do you go? If it works out well I may adopt it too
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She's still gonna do %health true damage though. I assume you have to bring sustain to compete with her, and either 100-0 potential or really strong pressure/sustained damage, kinda like how you play against Vlad, 'cept she doesn't sustain as much but is stronger at early levels?
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In this game I'm watching they're using Lissandra against her and it seems logical.
Lissandras CC is instant so it can't be riposted, and she can harass at range.
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W is instant but the ult as a cast time (Lee Sin can kick you during the cast and get stunned while you're flying (then run away before you're back in range)), so she can Riposte it assuming she's got good reflexes.
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