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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On September 14 2015 05:16 Slayer91 wrote: can you elaborate? I don't see why shyvanas kit is best suited to build more damgae than tank items. I'd argue the opposite wit the high base damages low mobility you know so her W, E and Q all give her extremely fast jungle clearing ability. this naturally gives her more gold to work with than junglers like lee sin or gragas. she also gets 40 free MR and armor in dragon form. this means that for defensive stats you want slightly more health than resists. which makes deadmans OR randuins and cleaver perfect items for her. the magic resist thing has been beaten to death already but i think that maw > the other stuff because of the damage. if you have a ton of gold and are naturally tanky this means that you are best suited to get more damage. especially provided that you have limited CC and other ways to make yourself a threat. and i still don't understand this concept that shyv is a low mobility champion. yes she doesn't have a low cool down dash, but she has one very long range one and 50% bonus movespeed from burnout. move speed quints + phage = out running everything. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On September 14 2015 05:28 Frolossus wrote: so her W, E and Q all give her extremely fast jungle clearing ability. this naturally gives her more gold to work with than junglers like lee sin or gragas. she also gets 40 free MR and armor in dragon form. this means that for defensive stats you want slightly more health than resists. which makes deadmans OR randuins and cleaver perfect items for her. the magic resist thing has been beaten to death already but i think that maw > the other stuff because of the damage. if you have a ton of gold and are naturally tanky this means that you are best suited to get more damage. especially provided that you have limited CC and other ways to make yourself a threat. and i still don't understand this concept that shyv is a low mobility champion. yes she doesn't have a low cool down dash, but she has one very long range one and 50% bonus movespeed from burnout. move speed quints + phage = out running everything. having more gold doesn't necessarily mean you want to spend it on damage, a shyvana with sated devourer can kill an adc in a few seconds anyway if she gets in range for long enough to do it. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On September 14 2015 05:30 nafta wrote: Well when you play vs good players who cancel it and just slow you and run away you will understand. if you're getting your ult canceled, then you are using it incorrectly. it works kind similarly to trist jump and hec ult. this means that you can be in the animation while being CC'd and it you only get stunned or whatever for a little bit after the dash part. you still get the knock back and damage from the dash to connect despite being CC'd On September 14 2015 05:33 Fildun wrote: The Shyvanas in my game also don't have that much more gold than the average jungler, sure they might farm a bit more but the opposing junglers usually has a couple kill/assists more. that means they aren't farming enough. shyv should be matching or exceeding the ADC in gold | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4122 Posts
On September 14 2015 05:33 Frolossus wrote: if you're getting your ult canceled, then you are using it incorrectly. it works kind similarly to trist jump and hec ult. this means that you can be in the animation while being CC'd and it you only get stunned or whatever for a little bit after the dash part. you still get the knock back and damage from the dash to connect despite being CC'd Either you ult in and get CC'd or you don't ult in and are useless. That's basically the scenarios I see in my games, I've never seen a Shyvana be useful in teamfights and they aren't that good at splitting either, mostly because they don't have TP and teams don't know how to play with splitpushers. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On September 14 2015 05:33 Frolossus wrote: if you're getting your ult canceled, then you are using it incorrectly. it works kind similarly to trist jump and hec ult. this means that you can be in the animation while being CC'd and it you only get stunned or whatever for a little bit after the dash part. you still get the knock back and damage from the dash to connect despite being CC'd that means they aren't farming enough. shyv should be matching or exceeding the ADC in gold I know how cc works doesn't change the fact that most popular champs have a way of interrupting it. When I open champion.gg 9 out of the 10 most played champs have at least 1 way to interrupt your jump. Also when you are ccd and cant keep autoing your w goes on cd and then you just kited. Like I have seen so many shyvanas try what you are explaining here and it never works. Not even exclusive to this season only. | ||
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
Shyv is a teamfight champion. There's no point to all that farming if you're just splitting and not defending skirmishes and taking objectives. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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101toss
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"tryndamere can spin in and hit the adc 4 times for the kill" | ||
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On September 14 2015 07:28 101toss wrote: are people actually trying to say shyvana has teamfighting ability LOL "tryndamere can spin in and hit the adc 4 times for the kill" clearly you haven't played the character before. shes like jax but can actually farm quickly | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
She's like Garen, maybe. What league is Frolossus, I am curious. | ||
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
I honestly think almost no one knows what a teamfight that is not dominated by ADCs looks like. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On September 14 2015 07:44 Ketara wrote: Not sure Jax is really the best comparison. She's like Garen, maybe. What league is Frolossus, I am curious. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/W0AM24Z.png) i don't know how well post rework garen scales into late game. i think jax is about the best comparison i can make. you get lots of free tank stats and scale really hard into the end game. you're good at killing carries and being a very high damage threat. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Jax also has more gapclosers and more CC. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On September 14 2015 07:55 Ketara wrote: But Jax scales a lot better than Shyvana and Shyvana has a much better early game. Jax also has more gapclosers and more CC. jungle shyv low levels are terrible. her kit is designed to get her ahead by ~30 minutes then from that point you just kill things and win i said they are similar, both have crazy good lategame scaling and probably team fight/play late game very similarly. it's like you aren't going in to CC everything and tank a lot of damage, you have so-so burst, but you go in to threaten and kill the enemy's carries | ||
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
Jax has more tools but needs more items. Shyvana also comes out of the jungle which is a perk of its own that isn't really considered right now because I consider Jungle Jax really meh. I don't think Shyv's lategame is anything compared to Jax's. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On September 14 2015 08:05 Ketara wrote: Yeah a 6 item Jax is soooooooooo much better than a 6 item Shyvana. yeah, but they fill the same role on a team in the late game, which is what you are playing for on shyv. i don't know if there is a term for this class of character or not, it's like a bruiser that scales into late game/better with gold. irelia might be another comparison but she can get more defensive items because she gets lots of free true damage. | ||
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