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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
September 04 2015 14:37 GMT
#101
In order to get the stun it has to block a projectile right?

The ult has no projectile.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-04 14:37:46
September 04 2015 14:37 GMT
#102
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 04 2015 14:39 GMT
#103
Doesn't matter if she gets a stun off or not, she can avoid all of the damage and cc from the ult because it's not instant, this is the relevant part.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-04 14:41:09
September 04 2015 14:40 GMT
#104
On September 04 2015 23:37 Ketara wrote:
In order to get the stun it has to block a projectile right?

The ult has no projectile.


She immune to everything during the 0.75 seconds.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
September 04 2015 14:41 GMT
#105
Oh I see. That's pretigud.

Who are other ranged tops with instant CC. Ryze?
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 04 2015 14:43 GMT
#106
I feel like Ryze would get dunked on in the early game, he needs some time to build steam.
It's your boy Guzma!
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 04 2015 15:19 GMT
#107
Actually, how does Riven do in the matchup? Fiora dashes in, Riven E's to dodge the Riposte, stuns, and then tries to burst? Sounds like it'd be a pretty skill dependent lane rather than a counter, I suppose.
It's your boy Guzma!
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
September 04 2015 15:36 GMT
#108
My experience of riven has been early on she's a menace but you can survive then later it's really just a skill matchup that's slightly in fiora's favour. Never faced super good rivens though
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 04 2015 15:51 GMT
#109
On September 05 2015 00:36 Numy wrote:
My experience of riven has been early on she's a menace but you can survive then later it's really just a skill matchup that's slightly in fiora's favour. Never faced super good rivens though

Well as we all know, I am the best Riven player in the world.

I could maybe see Viktor working ok? Riposte makes her immune to Gravity Field's stun, but he can use it to zone her off and then just super clear? Maybe not.
It's your boy Guzma!
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-04 16:37:23
September 04 2015 16:37 GMT
#110
Lol you guys should check out champion.gg winrates it is actually hilarious how much shit has changed.

All 4 juggernauts >50% ban rate lol
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
September 04 2015 16:56 GMT
#111
Is it weird that Lux has a high play rate and 2nd highest win rate yet no one cares?
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-04 16:58:36
September 04 2015 16:58 GMT
#112
Yea it is. My reasoning is that she is good in long fights cuz of her w and cuz most people are picking champs that just run at you. Same reason ashe is going up as well.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35144 Posts
September 04 2015 17:05 GMT
#113
On September 05 2015 01:56 Numy wrote:
Is it weird that Lux has a high play rate and 2nd highest win rate yet no one cares?

Or how the Dinger's the 4th most successful top and 2nd most successful mid.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
September 04 2015 17:06 GMT
#114
yeah lux is hilarious combined with bruisers with damage
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-04 17:38:44
September 04 2015 17:35 GMT
#115
I wonder if the juggernaut guys are really so insanely strong or it's just the fact that they in line with the old carry top lane that we used to see so now they feel so much stronger because top lane as been neutered for so long. Also they most likely rather polarizing as they can just take over a game which is what people will always remember more than the times they got stomped. The number of times I've had to explain skarner/darius's mechanics to people has made me lose faith in European education.

Having said that they prob are over tweaked lol
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-04 17:54:50
September 04 2015 17:51 GMT
#116
On September 05 2015 02:35 Numy wrote:
I wonder if the juggernaut guys are really so insanely strong or it's just the fact that they in line with the old carry top lane that we used to see so now they feel so much stronger because top lane as been neutered for so long. Also they most likely rather polarizing as they can just take over a game which is what people will always remember more than the times they got stomped. The number of times I've had to explain skarner/darius's mechanics to people has made me lose faith in European education.

Having said that they prob are over tweaked lol

They are really insanely strong. All three tops are in the top 6 of win and play rate. With only champions that they do poorly against (wukong, heimerdinger, malphite) or fit the same kind of play style (dominate lane->win game) coming close and all of those with lower pick rates. (And we kind of expect that higher pick rates correlate with lower win rates)

They have to be as a function of their design, that or overly weak.


Ed: Morde has a 65% win rate and as far as I can tell only a 2% pick rate because vayne and janna have strong pick rates and are good against him. (That is if Morde is unbanned janna/vayne are likely to be picked, so morde goes unpicked)

So basically they're all fucking ridiculous and I def need to redo my bans with the updated info.
TheHumanSensation
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1210 Posts
September 04 2015 18:54 GMT
#117
On September 05 2015 02:51 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2015 02:35 Numy wrote:
I wonder if the juggernaut guys are really so insanely strong or it's just the fact that they in line with the old carry top lane that we used to see so now they feel so much stronger because top lane as been neutered for so long. Also they most likely rather polarizing as they can just take over a game which is what people will always remember more than the times they got stomped. The number of times I've had to explain skarner/darius's mechanics to people has made me lose faith in European education.

Having said that they prob are over tweaked lol

They are really insanely strong. All three tops are in the top 6 of win and play rate. With only champions that they do poorly against (wukong, heimerdinger, malphite)...
So basically they're all fucking ridiculous and I def need to redo my bans with the updated info.


Hypothetical situation that defs doesn't reflect reality: if I hate Wukong and can't play against it, say it lowers my team's chances/odds/whatever by 5%, am I better off banning Wukong and ceding one of the juggernauts to their team, or banning all the juggernauts and accepting that they might play wukong randomly?
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
September 04 2015 18:59 GMT
#118
Not sure. There being so many high win high pick tops means that the optimal play isn't too certain. I will update my spreadsheet tonight and get back to you on it.

That being said, never feel bad about banning things you don't think you can play against.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
September 04 2015 19:03 GMT
#119
Problem is you can't put a % on how your bans influence your team. Cuz say you don't ban skarner who has 80% ban rate or so there is no way to know if your team is just gonna rage or w/e which is a legit concern.
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
September 04 2015 19:53 GMT
#120
Maybe talk to your team and don't ban what they want to play?
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