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nafta
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Goumindong
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Ketara
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She also does well in lane vs. Viktor and Azir. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
i know i should just play malphite top now, but after fizz the complete lack of mobility and early kill pressure is kind of unfun and i've been considering putting some real effort into learning irelia and can't really decide between the two champions. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35141 Posts
On September 05 2015 06:49 Numy wrote: I completely forgot to mention in the previous Fiora discussion that Irelia seems pretty good against her. Haven't seen one not do well against Fiora. I could see that as long as Irelia can reliably not get her Equilibrium Strike Riposted. | ||
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Goumindong
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Gahlo
United States35141 Posts
On September 05 2015 07:28 Goumindong wrote: Well if she doesn't max it and instead goes for w that shouldnt matter to much. I just don't see Irelia out trading Fiora unless she can stun her. It has nothing to do with skill maxing. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On September 05 2015 07:03 chalice wrote: how does irelia do against garen and darius? after months of maining bruiser fizz i'm pretty sure sticking with that is a mistake with the latest changes. i know i should just play malphite top now, but after fizz the complete lack of mobility and early kill pressure is kind of unfun and i've been considering putting some real effort into learning irelia and can't really decide between the two champions. garen sucks in lane now but it used to be a good matchup for garen, probaby not the best pick but a good irelia rapes everyone if they aren't smart so it won't matter probably similar with darius its not the best matchup to pick against darius but irelias really good. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On September 05 2015 02:51 Goumindong wrote: They are really insanely strong. All three tops are in the top 6 of win and play rate. With only champions that they do poorly against (wukong, heimerdinger, malphite) or fit the same kind of play style (dominate lane->win game) coming close and all of those with lower pick rates. (And we kind of expect that higher pick rates correlate with lower win rates) They have to be as a function of their design, that or overly weak. Ed: Morde has a 65% win rate and as far as I can tell only a 2% pick rate because vayne and janna have strong pick rates and are good against him. (That is if Morde is unbanned janna/vayne are likely to be picked, so morde goes unpicked) So basically they're all fucking ridiculous and I def need to redo my bans with the updated info. Interesting results: Purple bans should be Vayne, Ahri, Lux. Blue Bans should be Morde, Jinx, Darius.* Pure Margin(with Morde) is Ahri, Lux, Vayne, Darius, Blitz, Annie, Garen, Fiora, Riven, Malphite, Braum Pure Margin(ignoring Morde) is Ahri, Lux, Vayne, Jinx, Darius, Blitz, Annie, Ashe, Sivir, Garen, Fiora, Riven, *if i leave Morde out potentially because his winrate on champion.gg is incorrect then the path is Ahri, Vayne, Jinx for purple and lux, darius, blitz for Blue. There are too many high win rate, high play rate junglers to make it make sense to ban them out. Additionally the bad junglers aren't so bad or so common that you're likely going to push them to something horrible. Top has, more or less, the same problem. But not quite so strong. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
What is the best way to deal with someone that starts raptor champ for top lane while you don't? I never know if you meant to start a soft push so you even out levels or just try deny as many creeps as possible top lane. Alternatively when should or shouldn't you start raptors on a top laner. I tried it out with Fiora while the enemy top pushed the lane, it gave me a massive load of CS but levels were evenish. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35141 Posts
On September 06 2015 22:45 Numy wrote: I'm not sure what thread I'm meant to ask this but I'll try it here. What is the best way to deal with someone that starts raptor champ for top lane while you don't? I never know if you meant to start a soft push so you even out levels or just try deny as many creeps as possible top lane. Alternatively when should or shouldn't you start raptors on a top laner. I tried it out with Fiora while the enemy top pushed the lane, it gave me a massive load of CS but levels were evenish. Have you tried causing a slowpush against you and calling for early jungler support? | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On September 06 2015 22:54 Gahlo wrote: Have you tried causing a slowpush against you and calling for early jungler support? I haven't tried that. My concern was mainly to keep up in levels with him but it could work as most junglers started bottom side in Solo q. @AlterKot - I think that's what the guy did to me when I went raptors but the wave built up huge on his side so I landed up getting a ton of easy farm. However he was awful and didn't even bring TP so that game prob tells me nothing lol. Who tries to counterpick Fiora with a Swain. Mindboggling lol. Any streamers play top a lot that maybe show off what they do? | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On September 06 2015 23:17 AlterKot wrote: My method is to only lasthit first 3 melee minions, and then kill ranged and first minion from 2nd wave asap. That way I get level 2 by the time opponent comes to lane and I have tp and minion advantage, so I try to go for aggressive trades and keep lane pushed so that he doesn't get level 3 long before me. I try to go back and tp to lane around 4th-5th minute, hopefully after an aggressive trade. I usually get an advantage 1v1 in that way, but of course that means I'm pushed early and a level 3 gank can fuck me hard (but usually with help of minions and flash I can survive). then you are even levels and he has more pots so he just doesnt let you push it in and freezes wave in front of his tower if you cant do a camp duo with jungle | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
They've been trying since season 3 and no matter what they do people still figure out ways to screw with it. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On September 06 2015 23:29 nafta wrote: then you are even levels and he has more pots so he just doesnt let you push it in and freezes wave in front of his tower if you cant do a camp duo with jungle Yea you have to basically kill him if you do that because he just has way better sustain and now you're in a dangerous lane position. I guess you could back and TP but then you merely getting a bunch of pots as it's too early to buy anything else. Feels like a waste of a tp. | ||
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loSleb
Austria1389 Posts
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